Animal Communication - Charlie had a reading! *LONG*

[Equus Leather]

Yes, Neil, but they also proved the earth wasn't flat, and that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the universe.....

Please tell me how an Animal Communicator can prove the animal is talking to them?

I'd be more inclined to believe AC's if they didn't charge for their 'craft'.

 

[NeilM]

Yes, science was used to prove both of those beliefs wrong.

Whether you believe AC works or not is entirely up to you, it is the 'as a scientist' tag that I object to. Surely as a scientist you should have no belief or opinion either way.

There are many things that cannot be proven, acupuncture for one. It is hard to 'prove' it is working, but clearly it is. As a Martial Arts practitioner, I use Ki (or Chi) energy, I know it exists, I can use it and I can experience it being used (usually painfully) at the hands of other practitioners, but I cannot 'prove' its existence.

As a person you have the right to believe or disbelieve anything, but as a scientist, at worst you can be sceptical.

 

[Weezy]

I have had 2 *free* AC readings because I am sceptic. I have to admit that I am still not at all convinced

Both readings had too many holes and things that I couldn't relate to even though I wanted to!

 

[ester]

as I scientist I tend to 'question everything'

actually that was very much the diff with being a post grad you are quickly taught not to read a scientific paper and accept what they said and what they were doing as good science.

I have very limited beliefs but quite a lot of opinions

!

 

[Scribbles]

Sorry I haven't read the entire post... but..

Would she not have noticed the graze?
And same for glands. I could tell you if a horses glands were up...


If she says the digestion has slowed, and he was put on pink powder 7months ago, then either the pink powder has made your horse worse , or she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about.

And most people are scared/worried about the future, it's why we all do things to make sure it will be ok...

 

[Equus Leather]

"As a person you have the right to believe or disbelieve anything, but as a scientist, at worst you can be sceptical. "

Why?

 

[polyester]

Yes veterinary tests can. Also coloured poles etc aren't my interest, it's why they have problems that are important not what the problem is as once you know WHY then hopefully it can be resolved.

 

[polyester]

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Sorry I haven't read the entire post... but..

Would she not have noticed the graze?
And same for glands. I could tell you if a horses glands were up...


If she says the digestion has slowed, and he was put on pink powder 7months ago, then either the pink powder has made your horse worse , or she doesn't have a clue what she's talking about.

Yes a valid point if I had actually seen the horse but I didn't. As for pink powder I don't actually rate it and use one for my horses I feel is much better as I have never found it to work very well. Besides which when the bacteria is badly out of balance it can take as long as 18 months to get back working correctly in which case 7 months wouldn't nesscessarily do it anyway.

And most people are scared/worried about the future, it's why we all do things to make sure it will be ok...

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[polyester]

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"As a person you have the right to believe or disbelieve anything, but as a scientist, at worst you can be sceptical. "

Why?

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It's healthy to be sceptical, its being TOTALLY closed minded that's the problem as no amount of proof will then do any good.

 

[Scribbles]

Because science relies on the issue of falsification. If a theory or paradigm is unfalsifiable, then it is unscientific.

 

[polyester]

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Yes, Neil, but they also proved the earth wasn't flat, and that the Earth wasn't at the centre of the universe.....

Please tell me how an Animal Communicator can prove the animal is talking to them?

I'd be more inclined to believe AC's if they didn't charge for their 'craft'.

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Didn't charge.....I do this as my job. I take in rehab horses, often for a year or one that was for almost 3 years. I pay for their hooves to be done every 4 weeks, vets, chiros, feed, wormer etc etc. I don't get paid a penny for doing it. Then ONLY when those horses are ready I find them permanent loan homes with people I know. I don't earn from it, but it costs me thousands every year. If I didn't charge for what I do I could not help these horses, nor would I have time to spend helping them as I'd be behind a shop counter on 6 quid an hour. Bottom line, if I didn't charge I couldn't help horses that are here. The last one I took in and is still here is a 17.2hh dressage horse. He was with the same owner since he was 6 months. He is now 15 and been here since april 2008 and is awaiting to go to his new home. he has always had a good life with his owner. But was so whimpy he'd jump at his own shadow but she had never laid a finger on him. before he arrived he was having trouble with weight loss being up and down and suffering recurrent spasmodic colic. He has never had colic since being here. He now runs circles around my alpha mare bucking at her whilst she screams and reverses bucking at him. He know looks better than ever and has held his weight spot on since Feb. THATS why I charge as other wise horses like him wouldn't be helped as his previous owner had tried just about everything for him and treated him with the utmost care. I also have a 25 year old mare who will never leave here. She came to me with nerve damage caused by lead poisioning which we treated and cleared up the first year she was here. She also had ala whatever it's called where hair falls out from stress. After 18 months of having it before she came, it cleared up within 3 weeks of me having her THATS why I charge for my work as I love what I do and want to help horses! My mare Polly has cost me serious money over the 7 years shes been here and I don't begrudge a penny. If I had a normal job then these horses would never have had this help as people didn't know what was wrong with them.

 

[3Beasties]

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Sorry I haven't read the entire post... but..

Would she not have noticed the graze?
And same for glands. I could tell you if a horses glands were up...


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No, not from a photo she wouldn't!

 

[3Beasties]

For those of you who didn't see here is the follow up from this post

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/sh...rue#Post4566075

 

[polyester]

Horse_Crazy 2 how is your boy doing?
Sorry to start all this off but came across the thread by accident! kind of wish I didn't as it's taken up so much time today!

If it is of any help yes he is feeling partly better

 

[3Beasties]

I've sent you a PM (check your messages)

 

[polyester]

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Yes, science was used to prove both of those beliefs wrong.

Whether you believe AC works or not is entirely up to you, it is the 'as a scientist' tag that I object to. Surely as a scientist you should have no belief or opinion either way.

There are many things that cannot be proven, acupuncture for one. It is hard to 'prove' it is working, but clearly it is. As a Martial Arts practitioner, I use Ki (or Chi) energy, I know it exists, I can use it and I can experience it being used (usually painfully) at the hands of other practitioners, but I cannot 'prove' its existence.

As a person you have the right to believe or disbelieve anything, but as a scientist, at worst you can be sceptical.

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Well said. Science is only as good as the person using it. If people don't have the ability to ask the right questions they won't find the right answers no matter what qualifications or'tags' they use. I've been researching the problem with metabolic horses (as in now so many and so much younger) as of this morning think I might have struck upon something after 6 1/2 years of looking for it which I'm keeping under my hat until I have done some studies on it. Been talking to everyone from vets to a professor in nuclear physics about the atomic make up of the horse and if it has changed and if so how it could have, all had interesting ideas but none struck a cord. Will be interesting to see what plays out.

 

[Chavhorse]

Go for the best of both worlds find yourself a Holistic Vet in your area. I use one and he uses both natural and scientific remedies depending on what is best for the horse at the time and in conjunction with each other.

He also has vets in the prctice who are trained in accupuncture, chrio and other natural therapies.

There is a lot to be said for both science and nature which is why I use someone with access to the complete armoury.

And on the plus side as it is a vet practice everything is covered on insurance.

 

[weevil]

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I've been researching the problem with metabolic horses

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WTF is a metabolic horse? Surely all horses (or indeed, all living organisms) are metabolic

 

[polyester]

as in with metabolic problems. but then you already knew what I meant !

 

[weevil]

Well that's the problem with using scientific terms - you have to use them correctly otherwise you undermine whatever point you are trying to make.