SadKen
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Apologies, to confirm, I absolutely agree, you CAN tell.
Another fatal dog attack
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ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
Uh?
Because I can spot some danger signals i shouldn't need protecting from the rest who don't give any until too late? What a peculiar argument.
It's the not obvious ones that are the problem. I wrote the other day about a dog I looked at in curiosity because it was border collie coloured but not a border collie. It locked on to me before I realised it was a bull cross. The owner could just about hold it and dragged it out of sight of me, I would have felt a hell of a sight less concerned if it had been muzzled.
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skinnydipper
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cauda equina
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Well the owner looks as if she should be easy to identify, I hope the police are onto her
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
She doesn’t look strong enough to have such a powerful dog , if she had been walking it on a lead she could have been towed across the road . Hope she gets found and prosecuted and the dog should be put down immediately whatever breed it is, that was a completely unprovoked attack
paddy555
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never a car speeding down the road when you need one. It would have solved the problem. (sorry to anyone who doesn't like that comment)
skinnydipper
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The lucky ones get sold on Facebook
4 XL bullies pulled from canal in Manchester
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SaddlePsych'D
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Commenter posting multiple links to other dog attack news stories, all of other breeds (though multiple Cane Corso and Rottweiler examples so not exactly doing them many favours). I find this behaviour really gross. Firstly it's a poor attempt to distract from the real issues around this specific breed and the seriousness of this specific attack (the man and his dog had a lucky escape I think). And secondly it's so disrespectful to him as a victim of a traumatic attack and to the victims of attacks in the stories being used to prove some bs point.
Quite a few comments/liked comments expressing people seem quite fed up with the 'it's the owner not the dog' stuff. Which again I find so disrespectful to victims of these attacks and their families.
I found the coverage of the girl attacked by the three dogs in the park in London so important. It was all over Radio 1 last week and although she was upset that the video had been seen by so many people, I thought it was good that she was able to speak up about what happened and the impact it has had on her physically and mentally.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
skinnydipper
Well-Known Member
Someone on Facebook is blaming the Government. People who care about their dogs don't dump them in a canal.
splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
Exactly , take them to the vet and have them PTS if you are not prepared to train them to accept a muzzle and keep them on a lead, oh dear that would take money or time to train !!!
conniegirl
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Schoolboy, five, 'lucky to be alive' after being mauled by dog
Jaxon, 5, was playing in his friend's garden when he was attacked by the dog, that had run out of a garden, on Hempstead Close in St Helens on September 21 at 7.50pm.
CanteringCarrot
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Or have someone shoot them. Honestly I'm ok with humane death by bullet. It's so quick when done right. You either do that or PTS at the vet.
I know that these animals are aggressive, dangerous, etc. but they don't need to suffer, IMO. So many animals do because of humans. Humans made them what they are (would they exist otherwise?!).
I thought about this. It is disrespectful, but in some instances, I don't think that people are meaning disrespect or trying to discount what happened. It's just that while the dog did kill and/or maim the victim, and was essentially the "weapon" the owner still deserves some blame! Perhaps saying, "it's not just the dog, it's the owner too" would be more tactful perhaps (although I'm not the authority on tact
). I don't negate the fact that these dogs are attacking and dangerous/deadly. They're a huge problem, but the humans attached to them (owners, breeders, etc) need to be front and center taking the blame too.tristar
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the photo of that dog that chewed the toddlers leg in london, was striking in that after the event when it was held on the pavement, the look on its face was distress, or fear, it knew what it had done but had no control over its impulses, yet was not still going mad to bite, just lying there with a very confused look in its eyes
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I do feel very sorry for these dogs and what humans have done to them. This link is just very sad but also sadly true.
having created this mess we appear to be unwilling to try and clear it up.
Goldenstar
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That dog could have killed if the human had been a bit shorter and it grabbed his neck . The smaller dog would be dead if it’s owner had not grabbed it up .
People who own these dogs need to wake up.
CorvusCorax
Justified & Ancient
Just to return to this, and it's not as if this thread isn't cyclical in nature
there have been two incidents this week alone where I was very glad to be using a flexi leash, one involving a squirrel on the lane and one involving a cat in my own garden.My dogs, as will many, recall if I catch them in between the moment of seeing a prey item and once they're off after it and I can divert, particularly the young female, with a game or fling some food about **to fulfil that need to chase/possess**
On both occasions this week, the prey item appeared before I had time to think and my young female was already off and running and I would have had little chance of breaking her attention. The urge to chase and possess in certain dogs will override whatever the handler has to offer or the consequence they will dole out (I have to admit I'm not the best at administering consequences). And damn, she's fast.
With the squirrel, she got a boink on the neck (on a very wide collar, and her head is still attached) and I got a boink on the arm, lesson learned for both of us
I need to be more observant in the mornings, the cat thing happened when she had less line so I had more control. On both occasions she returned her attention to me very quickly and got food - so I know she understands the basic principal of going through stress to get a reward but I am big enough to admit that had she not been on a line, she would have been halfway up a tree or over a fence and far away because of my crap timing.For anyone concerned about flexi leads/entanglement, there was no one else on the lane, she would have been beside me with the leash locked if there had.
Cinnamontoast
Fais pas chier!
2 very salient points. Who is qualified to identify the breed (bar DNA) and how will muzzling be enforced?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
1. Someone who has the ability to see and learn what a dog with pitbull ancestry looks like.
2. Someone (suggested: a dog warden) sees dog without muzzle. Tells owner to put muzzle on dog - if owner not keen, gets a fine/date in court.
SilverLinings
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Depending on the site, reporting them for being clearly deformed gets them removed very quickly
That is great to know, and I think that may become my new form of entertainment when sitting waiting for medical appointments with no book to read
On the day that I posted there were quite a few Bullys advertised with extremely dodgy conformation, not just 'not ideal' but malformed-looking. I'm sure it *really* helps the mood of a bully who already has aggressive tendencies to be in constant pain due to a body not fit for purpose [I mean that sarcastically].
gunnergundog
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Yet another one bites the dust. https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/c...xN1WejjUq-tqFljnDXrIyzh5SnG_CES88FIJqn7gtE294
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splashgirl45
Lurcher lover
That must have been so awful for the owner , hopefully the little dog died quickly. Yet another XL bully who was supposed to be placid, it’s about time the people who own these dogs start being more responsible and not have them loose in public areas… heard on the anglia news today that a girl was attacked by 2 dogs in Ipswich , not fatally , dogs have been put down
conniegirl
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Police confirm 'XL Bully' seized after two men left with serious injuries
A dog seized after an assault in Middlesbrough that left two men with serious injuries was an ‘XL Bully’, police have said.
Dobiegirl
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This guy talks a lot of sense, I dont agree with his take on the KC but his assessment of the XL Bully is very much my thoughts too.
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I don't want to watch nearly 20 minutes, can someone summarise?
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skinnydipper
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Genetics. They are a game bred dog, which anybody with any sense already knew.
They could tick along nicely with no problem then something will trigger that instinct.
Don't treat dogs like babies. Give them clear guidance.
AmyMay
Situation normal
He said essentially that owners need to be aware of their dogs genetic make up. So whilst owners obviously have the responsibility of training their dogs. Genetics will out.
skinnydipper
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MurphysMinder
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I've only watched first part but agree he talks a lot of sense. What does he say about KC , I might well agree with him
cauda equina
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If you take his argument to its logical conclusion then no amount of trainging will result in a 'safe' dog