Another fatal dog attack

The general direction of discussion is little beyond my knowledge base, but I am following the thread still with interest as I 'think' I am learning something new from people who actually know what they are talking about. Thank you for that, you know who you are.😉

Just a small observation, the straw man method of debate seems hard wired in all areas of debate as I have found out on other threads. I no longer engage - it's just too exhausting for no satisfactory outcome.🙄
 
JFTDWS said:
Nice straw man argument there - I didn't say identifying genetic markers would "solve" anything. I said that it might prove useful in directing legislation and breeding - there's nuance and you missed it. I also didn't say that the threat wasn't a concern - another straw man of yours. I said that it is entirely irrelevant to the act of researching genetics associated with aggression in dogs, which it is. If you want some further nuance you've missed, it's that it's not "impossible" to identify markers of behaviours in humans at all - but it's a bit of an ethical nightmare to do much about it.
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#whyscientistssticktomiceinsteadofhumans
 
The social aspects of why people get certain dog types does really interest me. Does Maisie with 6 kids in a 2 bed really think Blade the XL is going going to thrive in that environment and be a nanny dog because she’ll train it, despite 0 experience? If so why have you called it Blade? At all levels most dogs are ultimately chosen based on fashion, be that social media driven or otherwise.
 
misst said:
Not quite the same potential for unprovoked attack as xlbs. GSDs are reputable working/guarding dogs. I've yet to see an a working Xlb. GSDs are usually carefully bred, though of course, not always.
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Actually I was responding to the couple getting the Cane Corso. I may not have been clear. I've been around several well bred and trained Cane Corso to paint them all with a broad brush.
 
rara007 said:
The social aspects of why people get certain dog types does really interest me. Does Maisie with 6 kids in a 2 bed really think Blade the XL is going going to thrive in that environment and be a nanny dog because she’ll train it, despite 0 experience? If so why have you called it Blade? At all levels most dogs are ultimately chosen based on fashion, be that social media driven or otherwise.
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I chose my dogs for my lifestyle and I do choose what I find pleasing to the eye. Don’t think fashion has anything to do with my choice, terriers and lurcher. There are loads of poodle mixes round here and none of them appeal to me so I suppose they could be called fashion choices. I doubt many on here have chosen for fashion either
 
rara007 said:
The social aspects of why people get certain dog types does really interest me. Does Maisie with 6 kids in a 2 bed really think Blade the XL is going going to thrive in that environment and be a nanny dog because she’ll train it, despite 0 experience? If so why have you called it Blade? At all levels most dogs are ultimately chosen based on fashion, be that social media driven or otherwise.
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I would also be interested in name choices for dogs (or other pets). I didn't name any of my dogs, they came with names and two of them are already on their second names. But Monster's real name is a name that appears often in GSD / malinois / rottweilers used in bitey sports (along with similar names). I wouldn't have associated his name with that type of sport before I joined a dog club that did some. I also doubt it was his previous owner's intention to put him into the "bitey" category.
 
splashgirl45 said:
I chose my dogs for my lifestyle and I do choose what I find pleasing to the eye. Don’t think fashion has anything to do with my choice, terriers and lurcher. There are loads of poodle mixes round here and none of them appeal to me so I suppose they could be called fashion choices. I doubt many on here have chosen for fashion either
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I question myself regularly about how much fashion influenced my choice on dog breeds. I have two of the most popular breeds over here in France (australian shepherd and malinois (cross)) that are also the two breeds most likely to end up in rescues. But then I like medium sized, athletic, intelligent breeds. T the terrier was unplanned and needed somewhere to land. He is more the type of dog I imagined myself getting in a couple of decades.
 
I dont think these are it, but a similar sort of thing. If you cant access them let me know and I'll download you a copy.

Dog Behavior Co-Varies with Height, Bodyweight and Skull Shape - PMC

Dogs offer unique opportunities to study correlations between morphology and behavior because skull shapes and body shape are so diverse among breeds. Several studies have shown relationships between canine cephalic index (CI: the ratio of skull ...
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You don’t think terriers and lurchers are fashion based but what proportion of horsey households have those. They’re pretty high up there after the classic Labrador or spaniel. The animals we chose are an extension of our image, even the ropey street dog of no definite breed is a choice to take on.
I say that with a rehome spaniel that goes on a rope but doesn’t work…! (And even if he did work in some capacity beyond companion, that’s again another choice…!)
 
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rara007 said:
You don’t think terriers and lurchers are fashion based but what proportion of horsey households have those. They’re pretty high up there after the classic Labrador or spaniel. The animals we chose are an extension of our image, even the ropey street dog of no definite breed is a choice to take on.
I say that with a rehome spaniel that goes on a rope but doesn’t work…! (And even if he did work in some capacity beyond companion, that’s again another choice…!)
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Jack russells are practically a feature at every horse competition. You can't go anywhere without stepping on one. I find it interesting that depending on the venue, some breeds are more popular than others. Where I go, at one it's staffies, at another, it's malinois (I jokingly asked if they'd got a group discount on them, it turned out the RS owned a female that they bred from and sold the pups to their clients), aussies are pretty much ubiquitous and preferably blue merle.
 
I'm Dun said:
I read a paper last week about the huge influence the media has. I guess with XLs its all the idiots calling them nanny dogs.
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And the influence of the social media algorithms which push similar content toward people who have shown interest in a certain type of content, creating an echo chamber. You could easily be innundated with influencer posts about "nanny dogs" and never see the content about attacks, if you consume media primarily through those channels.
 
I'm Dun said:
I dont think these are it, but a similar sort of thing. If you cant access them let me know and I'll download you a copy.

Dog Behavior Co-Varies with Height, Bodyweight and Skull Shape - PMC

Dogs offer unique opportunities to study correlations between morphology and behavior because skull shapes and body shape are so diverse among breeds. Several studies have shown relationships between canine cephalic index (CI: the ratio of skull ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Thank you very much.......and yes, I can access them. :) That's me sorted for tonight.
 
It's difficult to imagine an attack going on for that length of time. Those poor people. I wonder if they will get any compensation at all, I expect the dogs were fully insured. Not 🙄
 
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'I dread the phone ringing': Inside the kennels responding to vicious XL bully attacks

Staff tell Panorama the aggression levels of the dangerous dogs they help to seize are rising.
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Panorama tonight - these are 'my' pull quotes. We have drug dealers, dog fighters, gangsters, Insta huns and Peaky Blinders cosplayers to blame for this genetic sh!tshow, and the nice, sympathetic people who have been caught up in the mess because they 'love dogs'.

"We're always at capacity," Mark says. "There is never a time when our kennels aren't full. And in the last few years, it's XL bullies filling them."
He says the scenes he has witnessed attending some calls after dog attacks have been "like a horror movie".
"I've seen too many life-changing injuries over the last three years, more than people can even realise."

Police are having to decide where to focus their resources because of the number of dangerous-dog callouts, he says.
"We're just going to have to decide and concentrate on threat, harm and risk where there is more of a risk to the public than those lower-level cases," he says.
Dogs seized because of a criminal allegation - where owners have breached exemptions or the animal has been involved in an attack - must remain in the kennels until criminal proceedings are concluded. The dogs are then returned or put down.
Mark says that 85% of such cases in his kennels result in the dog being returned to its owner.
"Some of these dogs shouldn't be going home… that terrifies me, that they're going to be coming back in. And dogs have gone home that have bitten and come back," he says.

"I certainly didn't come into this business to put dogs to sleep. But would you rehome that dog, not knowing anything? Would you put your name to it? Because I wouldn't," Mark says.
"I'm worried about when I have to sit in front of a coroner and say I'm sorry I rehomed that dog because I felt sorry for it. I'm sorry your daughter's lost an arm or been killed. And that's the reality of this situation."

O'Hara, the police tactical lead on dangerous dogs, warns that XL bullies "will be with us for generations to come".
"In the short term I think we will continue to see dog attacks as these dogs start to come of age and reach maturity. So, I think it's going to probably get worse before it gets better."
 
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