stormox
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Plenty of dogs at pt-2-pts....and team chases
Another loose dog incident at an event. Time to ban dogs?
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Fred66
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MEMBERS were asked and overwhelmingly voted to continue to allow dogs. As it’s members that compete and take the risks they obviously believe the risk to be minimal.
HuskyFluff
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Me too
The one and only time I took my 2 (large) dogs to a small BE event they were in harnesses attached to me by a waist belt plus leads on their collars. I was still paranoid and stressed about them escaping even though neither have ever shown any inclination to slip collars or remove harnesses. They got bored after the initial excitement and walking the course. Never again...
ester
Not slacking multitasking
MEMBERS were asked that question with regards to covid though, which has already been pointed out. . . .
TPO
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Grassy
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So, I’ve just walked in the door having left our accommodation at 7.15 am this morning, opened my stand at 7.45 am & left the venue at 6pm after packing down the stand, we left home at 1pm on Thursday. Our dog has been with us the whole time & has been perfectly fine because he is supervised & well trained, & on a lead or asleep in the truck, he is never taken anywhere near the course when it’s live. So, do all the haters want me to close my business & not attend events? I guess from some of the comments that that would be “tough” No, we don’t leave him, no we don’t go on holidays where we can’t take him, yes he comes to the yard with me, yes he comes into the office where I work part time in the winter, no my 90 year old dad can’t look after him for 4 days while I earn a living, no I can’t pay for kennels ... ?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
No ‘haters’, don’t be so dramatic.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Given that most comments have been around live XC courses I am not sure who they would be anyway.
Fred66
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Yes, but this was an additional risk. Anyone that didn’t want dogs would have voted against.
I personally am not keen on the ban culture, life has risks, the risk of loose dogs is considered by BE and is mitigated by asking people to keep them on leads.
Dogs have always been welcome and many who are involved in the sport have dogs.
Being outside and walking round the course lends itself to having dogs along.
Beachbabe
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Not at all. So now the dog is alone for 12hrs minimum and the owner is paying upward of £30 to have it looked at twice (!) in that time. More than their entry fee now, and I see that as per usual you’ve moved the goalposts. Ridiculous comment you made and you haven’t actually done anything either. Call yourself an activist?? I’ve seen more action in a snail ?? you’re clearly very young, haven’t thought your arguments through at all, because when it comes down to it, you have no foundation. Silly mare ????
Fred66
Well-Known Member
Do you spend all day there, or even have overnight stays ?
Do you then pay someone to walk your dogs ?
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Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Troll alert, though it’s quite fun being called young .
First volunteered for eventing as assistant XC timekeeper to my late mum 50 years ago.
.First volunteered for eventing as assistant XC timekeeper to my late mum 50 years ago.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Risk of dog spreading covid and risk of dog chasing a horse aren't additional, they are entirely different and dependent on how the question is asked.
There's quite a lot of science with regards to how to frame survey questions and to be sure you aren't getting an answer to something you didn't intend.
Re mitigation you will note sometime way up thread I suggested two points of contact to any dog on the XC course, to ensure that they stay on lead.
doodle
Well-Known Member
Me!
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
Troll alert, though it’s quite fun being called young
First volunteered for eventing as assistant XC timekeeper to my late mum 50 years ago.
My first thought when I read her comment was "how rude" and my second was "oh TP will love being called young"
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Who's getting a £30 entry fee BE?
Fred66
Well-Known Member
You are missing the point.
Someone who is in favour generally of allowing dogs might well vote in favour of a temporary ban as they might feel that the is more Covid secure.
Someone who feels that dogs should not be allowed as they are a hazard / nuisance is not going to vote to allow them on the grounds of Covid.
TPO
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Keep the horses at my parents home now but their dogs also arent allowed onto the yard.
Out of all the yards I've been on only one banned dogs. It was better not having dog muck everywhere, dogs lifting legs on hay and just having them running about loose.
I was on a yard where a livery's dogs chased YO's father when he was driving his pony and when he stopped the dogs were going for the horse's legs. Same dogs went for me when I got out my car and owner was in her internal stable in a different barn and same dogs messed all over the hay shed and other people's bales. She was the worst person in general and didnt come to see her stabled DIY horse for 4 straight days or arrange cover.
On a different yard a "well trained" dog ran into the school and chased a horse being lunged. Dogs weren't allowed on the yard off the lead after that.
I personally havent had a horse injured or chased by dogs but only by luck on some yards.
I've grown up with dogs and mum was a pro trainer for a while so she took in remedial dogs at times too. Her collies (loads of them) and the GWP were all immaculately trained and I would have happily put my life on them never moving from my heel on or off the lead. They didn't chase stock or horses and again I'd put my life on it that they never would. They still never were and wouldn't be taken to horse events. For very good reason I would never trust other people or their dogs.
There are plenty of other days to walk dogs and if eventing, as a dog owner, was what I wanted to do then I'd budget in either dog care costs or have some dog sitter arrangement with someone as part of the arrangements. Its really not rocket science
As someone who likes dogs I hate that other people let their dogs trip people, approach other people, jump up on people and mooch into other people's picnics with children sitting down etc with no idea who had allergies or a fear of dogs.
I'm not saying ALL dog owners but the fact that there are any is too many. Why should other people be inconvenienced and possibly endangered just because some dog owners feel entitled to take their dogs wherever they please because it's easier than making than arranging care/cover?
stormox
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To a lot of people dogs are 'family' and a family day out at an event or anywhere includes dogs. I enjoy having my dog with me when I go out..
TPO
Well-Known Member
And many don't enjoy other people's dogs
There are people with genuine fears and allergies.
The more dogs at an event the higher the risk of one getting loose and causing some sort of incident.
Why are the wants of people who want to take their dogs to events, despite all the reasons not to, more important than all the genuine reasons not to?
Arguing on here is irrelevant. Although it's hardly an argument or even a discussion, it's just been entitlement with absolutely no positive points made about why dogs being allowed is in any way a good thing or advantageous in any way.
BE have the only and final say on the matter. I just hope their insurance is up to scratch and that there is never a thread on here about horses and/or riders injured or killed by a loose dog.
Fred66
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Anti social behaviour by some dog owners does not mean that others should be tarred by the same brush or punished because of it.
To be honest it’s not looking likely that BE will ban dogs at events, so for those of you that feel it’s too risky or disrupts your day then you might want find an alternate sport.
To be honest it’s not looking likely that BE will ban dogs at events, so for those of you that feel it’s too risky or disrupts your day then you might want find an alternate sport.
PapaverFollis
Well-Known Member
Was going to say I don't know if other "family" members chase and bite horses or piss on merchandise but then I remembered about what some people's children can be like. ?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
I spend all day at both places when I go, not overnight. I have friends/relatives/neighbours who will take the dogs out during the day if necessary. Now that I am alone I have put the dogs (and cat) in kennels if I'm away for longer than a day, and have people in to care for the horses/chickens/geese, etc.
I like having my dogs with me, but there are certain venues and circumstances when it is not appropriate or convenient to have them. Generally if I'm not able to focus on them, then they stay at home.
paddy555
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Which is fine. However not everyone enjoys dogs so as long as people keep them on leads in public places away from others there are no problems. Everyone can be happy.
What I particularly don't enjoy is when they are attached to either one of my legs or worse still one of my horses legs and their owners cannot get them off. That has happened twice with the horses, one retriever and one staffie.
Caol Ila
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Can that be applied to children?
Fred66
Well-Known Member
The only people on here acting in anyway “entitled” are those arguing that the wants of those not wanting to take dogs outweigh others who do. People have to learn to accept that we all have equal rights and therefore have to compromise.
If at somepoint in the future dogs end up banned then I will still go, but less frequently and probably only to the really local ones.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
No I'm not missing the point, you are extrapolating meaning from incomplete data.
Since when did a safety issue become one of equal rights?!
TPO
Well-Known Member
Yeah you're right as usual. The people saying to ban dogs havent at all said that they want the ban as a safety measure to remove the risk completely of dogs getting loose and chasing horses.
The people who want to bring their dogs have offered well balanced reasons beyond their own wants as it's more convenient and enjoyable for them ?
Gid yin
Dexter
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So, I’ve just walked in the door having left our accommodation at 7.15 am this morning, opened my stand at 7.45 am & left the venue at 6pm after packing down the stand, we left home at 1pm on Thursday. Our dog has been with us the whole time & has been perfectly fine because he is supervised & well trained, & on a lead or asleep in the truck, he is never taken anywhere near the course when it’s live. So, do all the haters want me to close my business & not attend events? I guess from some of the comments that that would be “tough” No, we don’t leave him, no we don’t go on holidays where we can’t take him, yes he comes to the yard with me, yes he comes into the office where I work part time in the winter, no my 90 year old dad can’t look after him for 4 days while I earn a living, no I can’t pay for kennels ... ?
But the overwhelming majority of people cant take their dogs to work, for numerous valid reasons. I have 4 dogs, I've chosen a job and lifestyle that works with having dogs. I pay for assistance with them as and when I need it. Its part of having a dog, and its why lots of people cant have dog at all.
So while its a shame to read your list of excuses, if a ban was brought in and you couldn't do it because you wouldn't leave your dog, then that's a shame, but tough quite frankly. I bet you'd have something sorted ASAP though, because you would have to. Its amazing what people can arrange when given no choice in the matter.
Crazy_cat_lady
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Different i know but I'm trying to imagine if I told my new job I needed to bring my cat to meetings, or I rocked up to the football with them
I told OH today, as his sister's puppy was round his parents while we were all there, that I will not be happy for her to be brought to our house. We will have 2 house cats and i dont them to be scared in their own home, a place they should feel safe. Nor do I want to risk any incidents and potential harm to our cats. I also dont like dogs so don't want one in my house. He seemed shocked!! Sister and husband are more than welcome, the dog is not!
As a spectator I grow tired to having to step over dogs, especially in the shopping area. Also apply to badly behaved children! Also these events have a lot of children and dogs- what if there was an accident and a child was bitten?
I told OH today, as his sister's puppy was round his parents while we were all there, that I will not be happy for her to be brought to our house. We will have 2 house cats and i dont them to be scared in their own home, a place they should feel safe. Nor do I want to risk any incidents and potential harm to our cats. I also dont like dogs so don't want one in my house. He seemed shocked!! Sister and husband are more than welcome, the dog is not!
As a spectator I grow tired to having to step over dogs, especially in the shopping area. Also apply to badly behaved children! Also these events have a lot of children and dogs- what if there was an accident and a child was bitten?