Another Question about the RAW diet

Hi all, well so far so good, however I was wondering if I could have some help please.

Two of my dogs are refusing to eat the offal I have offered them. So far I have tried them with liver and kidney.

What do you think would be the best type of offal to try them on next? Recently I had a couple of sheep slaughtered for the freezer and if I remember rightly they did eat the lung and possibly the tongue.

I haven't asked at my butcher's yet if these are readily available. How often should they be having offal per week and how important is it to the balance of their diet? Does anyone have any tips to tempt them?
 
Flash fry offal to makeit more appetising or stick in the oven on a very low heat for hours and use as treats instead of commercial biscuits etc.

The ratio is 10:10:80 offal, bones, meat. Some dogs don't tolerate offal and a runny bum ensues (I load them up if poo is too hard/chalky)

The older dog I swapped to raw aged 7 is not at all keen and needs to think the youngsters will eat it for him to go near it.

Tongue and lung can be tricky to source but there are plenty of online suppliers (eg DAF) who will deliver it.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Flash fry offal to makeit more appetising or stick in the oven on a very low heat for hours and use as treats instead of commercial biscuits etc.

The ratio is 10:10:80 offal, bones, meat. Some dogs don't tolerate offal and a runny bum ensues (I load them up if poo is too hard/chalky)

The older dog I swapped to raw aged 7 is not at all keen and needs to think the youngsters will eat it for him to go near it.

Tongue and lung can be tricky to source but there are plenty of online suppliers (eg DAF) who will deliver it.
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Thank you, I will try it cooked :)
 
Me again :o

We are going away for a few days, and the person looking after my dogs is a bit worried about getting their diet right.

What do you all do when you go away? My options are, bag up each dogs raw diet in bags, or put them onto something like Fish4Dogs for the days that I am away?

Thank you :)
 
Just to let you all know - I have been feeding frozen Raw exclusively for almost a year now.

It was a convenience thing at first, but also he seems to prefer stuff straight from the freezer :confused:.

I was concerned that it wasn't healthy long term but I've had no health problems so far.

He will also eat any offal happily when it's frozen :).
 
Loving this thread, CinnamonToast got me into this the other day when I posted about my fussy eater - now I'm hooked! Well, she hasn't eaten any raw chicken yet, but I'm sure she won't go much longer without eating so I'm not too worried.

I only have one question (after spending over an hour reading this ENTIRE thread from start to finish haha)... what is offal???
 
i started out with natural instinct as its preprepared and balanced in a handy wee tub

now because its so pricey, ive found a local supplier of meat and get 1 lb blocks of chicken tripe or lamb mince (with bone) for 50p. i keep a tub of mixed fruit&veg, the odd bit of natural youghurt, egg or cottage cheese handy too. They all get chicken wings to chew and still get antler chews as they love them Dogs are thriving:cool:.
 
Any tips on starting a puppy on raw? Have been really pleased with all my adult dogs condition on raw so wanted to get puppy on it as soon as possible.

She is a 9 week old Rottweiler puppy. She came with some Royal Canin puppy food from the breeder :rolleyes:, so I haven't carried on with that. I have been feeding her soaked Fish4dogs working this week. I wouldn't say she is wolfing it down :p and she is far more interested in the other dog's raw ;)

How do you introduce bones, and should I add an egg? I am aware that because she is a large breed I want slow growth.

If anyone can be of help - especially cinnamontoast :) - I would really appreciate it :D
 
LJR said:
Any tips on starting a puppy on raw? Have been really pleased with all my adult dogs condition on raw so wanted to get puppy on it as soon as possible.

She is a 9 week old Rottweiler puppy. She came with some Royal Canin puppy food from the breeder :rolleyes:, so I haven't carried on with that. I have been feeding her soaked Fish4dogs working this week. I wouldn't say she is wolfing it down :p and she is far more interested in the other dog's raw ;)

How do you introduce bones, and should I add an egg? I am aware that because she is a large breed I want slow growth.

If anyone can be of help - especially cinnamontoast :) - I would really appreciate it :D
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tbh i feed my pup still on the natural instinct pre-prepared raw puppy food (working puppy).. just because i want to make absolutely sure she is getting exactly the right stuff. I just started her on it at 8 weeks.
 
Tripe. Speaking of duck, there is Duck raw complete food, it's great for putting on condition, a pup I know was emaciated a few weeks ago but now looks like a big fat shiny seal - but it is pricey.
 
CaveCanem said:
Tripe. Speaking of duck, there is Duck raw complete food, it's great for putting on condition, a pup I know was emaciated a few weeks ago but now looks like a big fat shiny seal - but it is pricey.
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many thanks:)

NI do a duck raw complete, is that the one you mean or is there another one?
 
CaveCanem said:
It's a brand:

http://pawfectk9.co.uk/duck-dog-food

http://www.berriewoodwholesale.co.uk/det/292/DUCK-Complete-Excellent-8x1Kg/

Everyone I know who feeds it raves about it, I fed it for a while and it is brilliant, good Kong stuffer and you can feed it from your pockets if you're that way inclined :p but price and getting it here didn't really make it viable.
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interesting! thanks for the link will go off and google some more.. interested in why is has grains in it?
 
just to update - having stared on NI complete tubs and then progressed to sourcing local blocks of tripe/lamb/chicken and doing my own... Im back on NI Im afraid. Yes the stuff was 50p a 500g block and NI is £1.90 per KG for working chicken which is on special at the mo. However Im much more confident feeding the NI... I know its decent quality, it has the veg in it and its been prepared to current hygiene standards. Whereas the other stuff meant i could not help but get blood on my hands and generally make a mess, plus I am not convinced its not just sweepings off the floor. On the same amounts my lot started to lose weight too.
 
NSN, the makers would say the grains imitate stomach contents of prey animals.

Kajabe, the chicken mince I get is whole minced chickens, so bone included and I think Natural Instinct do a few bone-in ranges too, including puppy ranges which are ground even smaller, so that would be a good way in.
 
My 9 year old lab is like a different dog now he is on raw food. It took a while to find a butcher that didnt look at me like I had 2 heads when I went in there.

Now I get huge bags of chicken carcasses from my local butcher usually with neck and wings still attached weighing about 10kg's + for £2.

I get some sandwich bags, put 2 carcasses in each bag and a small handfull of mixed veg sometimes and freeze them all.

Sometimes I will feed heart, liver, sardines, raw carrot etc.

My 9 year old lab has gone from a fat unhealthy lethargic, itchy boy to a dog who is happy, less arthritic, sprightly and he has lost about 6kg's. He gets 2 chicken carcasses for breakfast chucked out in the garden and he enjoys comping away on them for a few minutes.

The vet said WOW when he walked in for his annual vaccination at how different he looked..His teeth are pearly white.
I would now never go back to biscuits, I cringe when I look at the prices of cereal dog food now.

Just stick with it.. my lab didnt know what to do with a raw chicken quarter when I first gave it to him so i just ripped at some of the flesh for him and he soon got the idea.
 
well ive just put in an order to Berriewood to try their meats - am still trying to cut down on the cost of feeding NI:o Ive ordered a small amount of both types - their BARF and Berriewood premium. Admittedly Im still confused even though i rang them :confused: I dont really understand the difference between the 2 products - apparently the BARF range is courser and the idea isyou add their herb powder mix to it (wont be doing that) and the Premium rang is more retail friendly and nicer packaged - although they are the same price. I also found there are no clear list of ingredients or analysis on the products. When I asked I was told yes some of the meat contains bone and some doesnt. The first time I rang and they told me all the poultry based ones have 10% bone - I rang again and spoke to someone else who said they (as in the company) didnt know what the bone content was only that the poultry based ones are minced with the bone in.

Also looked at rawtogo and now even more confused as they dont recommend any veg at all and do 80 10 10 ratio of meat bone and offal.. claiming this is correct.

Whereas a lot of the NI 'complete' tubs dont have ANY offal in them, but have veg.

Confused.com
 
NeverSeenSanta said:
I'm finding lots of answers here
http://rawfed.com/myths/

however Id be interested to know how credible the info is ?Does anyone know?

cheers
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Jeez, which bit? There's lots! I have to say that all raw feeders I talk to have found their own way eventually re ratios, myths, bone issues, what to feed etc. I don't personally feed veg-unless it's liquidised, it's of no use and looking at their teeth, I think dogs should have a meat/bone based diet. If they're not getting what's right, it should be fairly obvious.

Looking at my three, the big dog has dropped his weight, at long last, cos I can really ensure that he only gets what he needs with regards to calories-commercial food doesn't lend itself to diets! The werewolf is calm and can concentrate and I reckon Bear would be massivley allergic to commercial cereal based foods. We've had recent skin issues with him and had to emply sulphur in a big way!
 
She is a podenco. Will have had her a year in January. She was pretty emaciated when I first got her from Spain but now too far the other way and can't shift it. She was spayed last summer. In the morning she has 4/5 pieces of JWB kibble in a bowl (just a token as my parents dog gets breakfast and its routine) and then dinner she will have something like one raw sardine or a lamb heart or lamb kidney or two little necks. Perhaps once a week she will have a trotter or something as she loves them and it occupies her for hours. I've just started clicker training as she is very timid and has no confidence, but even then the treat will just be her kidney for dinner cut up into little pieces. Shes 21.8kgs at the moment.

This is her a year ago

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this was taken in the past week (i know you can't see how chubby she is in the pink coat but look at the neck rolls!!)

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and this was taken last night

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Mulled wine and mince pies on offer for any/all advice!
 
yup - i bet she is getting more somehow. But also, its worth thinking about the fact that lamb is very high in fat so not the best choice for weight loss. Try a meat like turkey instead which is very lean. Id cut out the kibble as it isnt ideal to feed both and give her approx 300g of turkey mince split into 2 feeds, so 150g each feed. Then she can have her trotter or turkey neck a couple of times a week in addition. I based that on her ideal weight being about 18kg but its just a guess from looking at her. If you really are sticking to a strict diet and she is getting plenty of exercise and no weight comes off id get the vet to check her for a medical reason.
 
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