Anti bark collars

Levrier said:
Sadly when the dog is George, the reason he barks is because he is an over-excited little gobshite who has spent the last 11 years admiring the sound of his own voice and has never been taught to shut up. He is so excited he just has to tell everyone!

Which is very cute, but sadly the neighbours don't think so in the least. In his case I am, of course, working on diversonary tactics which have solved a lot of the problems I was having with him but not all. Sometimes these sort of training aids can have their place if used correctly IMO
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But it didn't work for your dog?
 
dree said:
Have you tried a bone? Or a filled kong? Or something similar to that? I take it he's in a kennel?
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No, he is not in a kennel - none of my dogs live in rat-infested kennels, they all live in the house.

Of course I've tried him with a filled kong, thats how I've stopped him yapping his head off every time I go out.

I've also solved the problem of him yapping his head off every time he is fed.

This is at the point when I put my walking boots on and am putting leads on 5 dogs prior to going out for a walk, where oddly enough I don't always have a spare hand to tuck him under my arm to stop him yapping and where he has no interest in food or other diversions because he is so excited about his walk
 
Sandstone1 said:
Dogs sense of smell is thousands of times more sensitive than ours. If you can't stand the smell how do you think the Dog feels.
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Not sure if this is aimed at me or not? I don't think I've said anywhere I can't stand the smell, so perhaps not. I like the smell of citronella, it doesn't bother me in the least - many years of applying fly spray!
 
Levrier said:
No, he is not in a kennel - none of my dogs live in rat-infested kennels, they all live in the house.

Of course I've tried him with a filled kong, thats how I've stopped him yapping his head off every time I go out.

I've also solved the problem of him yapping his head off every time he is fed.

This is at the point when I put my walking boots on and am putting leads on 5 dogs prior to going out for a walk, where oddly enough I don't always have a spare hand to tuck him under my arm to stop him yapping and where he has no interest in food or other diversions because he is so excited about his walk
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Well, I have an easy programme for all 5 dogs which would mean you could walk out the door with dogs that are not barking....not one of them. But since your remark about "rat-infested kennels" was aimed at me, since I mentioned kennels in a previous post which had rats underneath, I shall let you work it out for yourself. It's requires training, and a little time, but would work. But hey ho. Life is tough.
 
This isn't a comment on collars, but judging by some comments, are we at the stage now where a dog has to be shielded from any unpleasant experience?
And when unpleasantness comes from an extraneous source, and we as owners have not taught our dogs to deal with low level stress, is that not the ultimate unfairness? We've sold them a big lie.

It's a big thing now to build resilience in our children, but apparently not in the animals we share our lives and homes with.
 
dree said:
Well, I have an easy programme for all 5 dogs which would mean you could walk out the door with dogs that are not barking....not one of them. But since your remark about "rat-infested kennels" was aimed at me, since I mentioned kennels in a previous post which had rats underneath, I shall let you work it out for yourself. It's requires training, and a little time, but would work. But hey ho. Life is tough.
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If you wish to take generalised comments personally that is your prerogative, I can't help how you choose to respond to a forum post. As you say, life is tough....

Incidentally none of the other dogs bark or ever have done, they are greyhounds and lurchers!
 
CorvusCorax said:
I've yet to meet a dog trainer who can train a dog to do/not do anything, when they are not in the same room, or indeed, the same building as it :)
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Interesting, because people are advising trainers online. I once taught someone in the States who had a GSD which attacked people who came to the door and wouldn't let them in. We emailed back and forth for a while. What make it harder was that he had Mega-e, so no treats could be used. But we solved it. I won't ever forget how happy she was.....her ill dog could now be treated as normal as poss. Positive training only. :)
 
CorvusCorax said:
This isn't a comment on collars, but judging by some comments, are we at the stage now where a dog has to be shielded from any unpleasant experience?
And when unpleasantness comes from an extraneous source, and we as owners have not taught our dogs to deal with low level stress, is that not the ultimate unfairness? We've sold them a big lie.

It's a big thing now to build resilience in our children, but apparently not in the animals we share our lives and homes with.
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Interesting. I suppose it would depend on what you consider to be low level stress. We do obedience, and we use only positive training, but that doesn't mean that the dog won't find some stress in that training somewhere. It's our job to make them happy and keep stress to an absolute minimum. I would personally not like to add stress to my dogs lives.
 
CorvusCorax said:
That wasn't my point. My point is, if the/a
human isn't in the room with it.
I know how online training works, thanks :)
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Again, the grammar must be wrong.....you stated when the dog trainer is not in the same room as it. You could perhaps make sure you can be understood next time?
 
CorvusCorax said:
This isn't a comment on collars, but judging by some comments, are we at the stage now where a dog has to be shielded from any unpleasant experience?
And when unpleasantness comes from an extraneous source, and we as owners have not taught our dogs to deal with low level stress, is that not the ultimate unfairness? We've sold them a big lie.

It's a big thing now to build resilience in our children, but apparently not in the animals we share our lives and homes with.
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I (naturally) agree with this - I am clearly too old school for the forum as I still believe that no dog ever had a meltdown from being given a smack (tap) on the bum and being told firmly 'no!' when all these distraction techniques and positive reinforcement techniques have not quite got the required results.

Much as it is very tempting I could never use an electric shock collar on a dog.....it isn't George's fault that the stupid humans he grew up with many years ago didn't train him properly, it is just annoying to have to deal with the consequences now. The spray collar didn't bother him one bit, hence it didn't 'work' in the accepted sense....but he is so darned cute in so many other ways I can forgive him an awful lot, and I don't really like the neighbours anyway ;) :) :)
 
Levrier said:
If you wish to take generalised comments personally that is your prerogative, I can't help how you choose to respond to a forum post. As you say, life is tough....

Incidentally none of the other dogs bark or ever have done, they are greyhounds and lurchers!
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Always quiet, the greyhounds and lurchers.
 
dree said:
Again, the grammar must be wrong.....you stated when the dog trainer is not in the same room as it. You could perhaps make sure you can be understood next time?
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My humblest apologies. So, how does one train a dog...a trainer, an owner, a random warm body, when they are not in the same room? Like I say, no one has ever been able to tell me.
 
dree said:
Interesting. I suppose it would depend on what you consider to be low level stress. We do obedience, and we use only positive training, but that doesn't mean that the dog won't find some stress in that training somewhere. It's our job to make them happy and keep stress to an absolute minimum. I would personally not like to add stress to my dogs lives.
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So stress is fine, as long as you/anything you do, is not the cause?
 
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CorvusCorax said:
So stress is fine, as long as you/nothing you do, is not the cause?
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There is stress everywhere, but I am the last person I want to cause my dog stress. For example, we have to teach our dogs out of sight stays, which many dogs find stressful, as they are left with about 40 other dogs.....dogs they have never met. It's my job to teach the stays well enough to cause as little stress as poss, but by leaving my dog, that alone causes stress. Hope I've made myself clear.

Also, my dogs are well socialised as pups from 7/8 weeks to accept everything I can get them to meet. But some pups find some things more stressful than others. I own confident, happy dogs, but one of them does not like stays because the dogs next to her could be giving off aggressive vibes. I can't do anything but hope that my dog has been taught well enough to cope with that particular stress.
 
I quite like the idea of leaving my dog to watch webinars whilst I go up to do the horses, he’s a collie, they are meant to be smart so I’m pretty sure he could learn lots of good stuff. Maybe recall via webinar? Would it be instead of me spending time training him or would there be homework I would have to help him with?
 
BBP said:
I quite like the idea of leaving my dog to watch webinars whilst I go up to do the horses, he’s a collie, they are meant to be smart so I’m pretty sure he could learn lots of good stuff. Maybe recall via webinar? Would it be instead of me spending time training him or would there be homework I would have to help him with?
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I bet they would be given coursework booklets that they had to complete alongside watching the webinar.... just think how much time we could save!
 
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