Any Vegetarians or Vegans who ride?

Giving up Haribo sweets was hard...as they have gelatine in I decided to not eat anything that contained it...was rather depressed that Haribo had it!!
There is no right or wrong on this issue as it is personal choice...I chose to not eat meat years ago...people chose to do so...
I dont have any problem with someone eating it beside me or my beloved boyfriend tucking in to his pork loin steaks...it is his choice...so long as he doesnt want me to eat it!!
 
team barney said:
I am very much of the attitude that if others want to eat meat let them. I have spent enough time with animals to know that I could never murder one for my own gain and in my opinion if you couldn't bring yourself to kill what is on your plate you shouldn't be eating it.
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I agree. I think it is so hypocritical. Before I stopped eating meat I thought long and hard about what it was that bothered me the most, and it was the mass production, the transportation, and the bad treatment at the abbatoires.

So I thought about keeping a couple of sheep or pigs and having them slaughtered on our land as I loved meat! But I immediately realised that would never happen as there was no way I would ever have them killed. So to eat meat, even if it had been brought up free range and killed on the premises would be hypocritical of me, so I gave it up.

I think that everyone who eats it should have to kill it first in an ideal world. It is too easy to dissasociate yourself from what an animal has gone through to produce that meat that is so neatly trimmed and packaged in the supermarket aisle.
 
PitPony said:
Giving up Haribo sweets was hard...as they have gelatine in I decided to not eat anything that contained it...was rather depressed that Haribo had it!!
There is no right or wrong on this issue as it is personal choice...I chose to not eat meat years ago...people chose to do so...
I dont have any problem with someone eating it beside me or my beloved boyfriend tucking in to his pork loin steaks...it is his choice...so long as he doesnt want me to eat it!!
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But the bean factory jelly beans are veggie and they are yummy! :D
 
Wagtail said:
I agree. I think it is so hypocritical. Before I stopped eating meat I thought long and hard about what it was that bothered me the most, and it was the mass production, the transportation, and the bad treatment at the abbatoires.

So I thought about keeping a couple of sheep or pigs and having them slaughtered on our land as I loved meat! But I immediately realised that would never happen as there was no way I would ever have them killed. So to eat meat, even if it had been brought up free range and killed on the premises would be hypocritical of me, so I gave it up.

I think that everyone who eats it should have to kill it first in an ideal world. It is too easy to dissasociate yourself from what an animal has gone through to produce that meat that is so neatly trimmed and packaged in the supermarket aisle.
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*ROUND OF APPLAUSE*

I have such a high respect for this point of view although I sit on the other side of the fence - we have pigs, sheep & cattle which we rear on an extensive system (i.e. out at grass with minimal concentrates and interventions etc), send to a small local abattoir to be killed and then sell from the farm or feed to our b & b guests. I am proud of the fact that we give our animals the best life possible and we are happy to show our customers round the farm too.

I think if you are concerned about farm animal welfare the way to change the system is not to opt out of it by becoming veggie but to exercise your consumer power by buying responsibly reared high welfare meat. No offence to any veggies - I am friends with a few and would never dream of trying to bully them out of their decision - even the one who goes hunting :rolleyes: but just think what would happen if everyone went veggie: there would be no farm animals, just like the draught horses - our British draught horses are nearly extinct but in France they are thriving because they are reared for meat.

BTW - to the vegan who thinks they are being 100% eco, i hope you aren't eating any soya because there is nothing eco or sustainable about the way that is produced!!
 
Few more things which are not vege

the body shop . has some which have slaughter house by product.
culpeper has S H by product
rimmel also have slaughter house by product

skittles are not vegetarian
starbursts are not vegetarian
pink and mauve smarties are not vegetarian
this might help people



Vegetarian

* Mars (Standard, Duo, Snacksize)
* Snickers (Standard, Duo, Snacksize)
* Galaxy (Milk Chocolate Bars, Snacksize, Ripple, Minstrels)
* Maltesers (Milk, White)
* Revels
* Tracker (Burst of Berries, Zingy Lemon, Roast Nut, Choc Chip)
* Starburst (Chews Original/Strawberry Mix/Sours/Choozers)
* Aquadrops
* Lockets
* Tunes

Drinks

* Marks Original Refuel Drink
* Galaxy Creamiest
* Maltesers
* Bounty
* Starburst Banana/Orange and Pineapple
* Twix Super Thick Shake
* Moment du Chocolate




Not Vegetarian

Everything else, which includes things like:
Confectionery

* Bounty Dark / Milk
* Celebrations
* Flyte
* Galaxy Promises Cocoa Crisp/Caramel Crunch/Roast Hazelnut/Rich Coffee
* M&M's All Varieties
* Mars Delight
* Mars Planets
* Milky Way / Crispy rolls / Magic Stars
* Skittles Sours / Rainbow
* Topic
* Twix

Drinks

* Galaxy Hot Chocolate
* Starburst Strawberry/Raspberry
* M&M's shake
* Moment du Chocolat with marshmallows

Ice Cream

* All of them, including: Bounty Ice Cream
* Galaxy Caramel Swirl Ice Cream / Vanilla / Triple Choc
* Maltesers Ice Cream
* Mars Ice Cream / Xtra Ice Cream
* Snickers Ice Cream / Xtra Ice Cream
 
Leviathan said:
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The calves are firstly taken away from the mothers so you meat eaters can eat the calves. The milk is second if you meat eaters stopped eating calves in the way of veal then there would be no Demand for talking calves away.
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Sorry Leviathan,, but that's complete tosh! The calves are removed from their mothers quickly so that the cows continue to give a commercial milk yield. Dairy breeds are not bred to produce beef - it is the dairy calves which are not going back into the milk-producing herd which are slaughtered so, in this situation, it is the beef which is the by-product of the dairy industry, and NOT the other way around.

(I am, incidentally, a confirmed meat-eater, but just wanted to make sure you had the right facts as you seem so terribly keen on them :))
 
Just to add that I too believe that if you eat meat you should have to kill the animal.

Sooo many people say they couldn't kill, yet its okay for them to eat it. This is my main problem, followed by over productions and inhumane treatment.
 
horserider said:
Halal gelatine in haribo sweets ????
As a meat eater I refuse to knowingly eat halal meat or products.
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It is vegetarian gelatine in a lot of the haribo halal range, not animal gelatine :) I object to halal slaughter too, but I don't have a problem with how they kill their vegetables, fruits and grain :p
 
team barney said:
It is vegetarian gelatine in a lot of the haribo halal range, not animal gelatine :)
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Weighing in with some pedantry :), 'vegetarian gelatine' is a contradiction in terms. There are vegetarian *substitutes* for gelatine but if you see gelatine in an ingredients list, it used to walk.
 
Leviathan said:
Few more things which are not vege

the body shop . has some which have slaughter house by product.
culpeper has S H by product
rimmel also have slaughter house by product

skittles are not vegetarian
starbursts are not vegetarian
pink and mauve smarties are not vegetarian
this might help people



Vegetarian

* Mars (Standard, Duo, Snacksize)
* Snickers (Standard, Duo, Snacksize)
* Galaxy (Milk Chocolate Bars, Snacksize, Ripple, Minstrels)
* Maltesers (Milk, White)
* Revels
* Tracker (Burst of Berries, Zingy Lemon, Roast Nut, Choc Chip)
* Starburst (Chews Original/Strawberry Mix/Sours/Choozers)
* Aquadrops
* Lockets
* Tunes

Drinks

* Marks Original Refuel Drink
* Galaxy Creamiest
* Maltesers
* Bounty
* Starburst Banana/Orange and Pineapple
* Twix Super Thick Shake
* Moment du Chocolate




Not Vegetarian

Everything else, which includes things like:
Confectionery

* Bounty Dark / Milk
* Celebrations
* Flyte
* Galaxy Promises Cocoa Crisp/Caramel Crunch/Roast Hazelnut/Rich Coffee
* M&M's All Varieties
* Mars Delight
* Mars Planets
* Milky Way / Crispy rolls / Magic Stars
* Skittles Sours / Rainbow
* Topic
* Twix

Drinks

* Galaxy Hot Chocolate
* Starburst Strawberry/Raspberry
* M&M's shake
* Moment du Chocolat with marshmallows

Ice Cream

* All of them, including: Bounty Ice Cream
* Galaxy Caramel Swirl Ice Cream / Vanilla / Triple Choc
* Maltesers Ice Cream
* Mars Ice Cream / Xtra Ice Cream
* Snickers Ice Cream / Xtra Ice Cream
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Thanks for this! I was just eating a bounty doh!
 
<< smack's wagtail hand naughty naughty:D

And Horlicks is now vegetarian as it wasnt before as it contain

fish oil.


16. Is Horlicks suitable for vegetarian diets?
The whey protein used in the Horlicks products is suitable for vegetarians because it is produced using either a microbiological rennet or a plant-based alternative, rather than rennet produced from animal sources.
 
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MissChaos said:
Weighing in with some pedantry :), 'vegetarian gelatine' is a contradiction in terms. There are vegetarian *substitutes* for gelatine but if you see gelatine in an ingredients list, it used to walk.
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TBF, reading it, it does say gelatine free, but wondering why it is marketed under the Halal range and not simply as vegetarian ?
That said, I would not buy any product marketed under the Halal banner.
I was also happy to gut my own rabbits and fish killed by my late husband.
 
It may be just a quicker identifier for Halal consumers than 'Vegetarian,' which in certain (these being large) markets would obviously still be ambiguous to a significant number of people - i.e. Halal consumers - who may otherwise be tempted to buy. Even though those people could just look at the packet, it cuts out that step that some wouldn't be bothered to take = more customers. I may well be wrong - my knowledge of Halal isn't exactly massive - but I'd hazard the guess that it's a marketing method.
 
I'm vegetarian, but I'd rather use leather products than synthetic as I'm sure they biodegrade quicker. That's just a guess from my part though, really I have no idea!
 
charlimouse said:
I've always wondered how veggies cope at competitions when the only food available is a bacon roll??????
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At the north west irish draht show I was given a vegi burger would you believe cooked in its very own pan - now theres a first :)

It's eating meat I have a problem with to be honest and the though makes me gag but I have no problem with my Tack - It would take a lot to make me switch
 
A genuine question to those people who are vegetarian (because they don't like animals being killed) but eat dairy and eggs - how do you justify this to yourselves?

Male dairy calves are unwanted, and will be shot at birth, exported to the continent - or if they are lucky, raised in the UK for veal or beef. Either way, they are going to be slaughtered - so that people can drink milk. As another poster said, dairy cattle are specifically bred for milk production and not beef, therefore its a fallacy to say that milk is the by product of the beef industry.

As for laying hens - what do you think happens to male chicks? Again these are no use for the meat industry, and very often will be thrown into a grinder and killed just after hatching. And even in free range systems, hens start to become less productive at around a year - 18 months of age, and will be culled then.

If you drink milk or eat eggs then animals are being killed because of you.

FWIW I don't care what people eat or don't eat. I am not a vegetarian - I don't have a problem with animals being killed for human use as long as their treatment is humane.

But you can't take the moral high ground about being a vegetarian if you eat eggs and dairy.
 
xspiralx said:
A genuine question to those people who are vegetarian (because they don't like animals being killed) but eat dairy and eggs - how do you justify this to yourselves?

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Why do we have to justify ourselves to you or any one.?

The eggs we eat are free range and the male one do not go to slaughter .
 
There are alternatives to milk, I can't stand the taste personally so I use a substitute (not soya).

Eggs, you can always keep your own hens (providing you have the space) so you know that there is no welfare issue.

I haven't seen anyone taking the moral high ground, just stating there reasons for avoiding certain products.
 
In my opinion, we are top of the food chain and any food we eat can be killed how we wish. If a lion was to eat a deer in a way that was gruesome and left it half alive would you be complaining then?
 
There's a bit of a difference in the intelligence levels of humans and your example lions, tho ;). I don't argue that we're top of the food chain, which is where our superior intelligence and general evolution have brought us - but we have civilisation and may as well behave as such.
 
caitlin95uk said:
In my opinion, we are top of the food chain and any food we eat can be killed how we wish. If a lion was to eat a deer in a way that was gruesome and left it half alive would you be complaining then?
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Wow...

So you think it alright to potentially cause an animal immense suffering for your own needs because you deem yourself top dog?

I wonder if that same attitude continues down to the way you treat you animals. Is it alright to ride a lame horse because you are "superior" is it alright to starve a kitten or beat a dog because you deem yourself higher up the ladder.

This kind of attitude disgusts me, it is truly sickening.
 
caitlin95uk said:
In my opinion, we are top of the food chain and any food we eat can be killed how we wish. If a lion was to eat a deer in a way that was gruesome and left it half alive would you be complaining then?
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I hate this attitude that humans are some how superior. We are only superior to ourselves. We are not important to the planet. In fact, the planet would be a lot healthier without us. We do not have the God given right to mistreat other species just because we are top of the food chain. In fact if you were swimming in the sea you would not be top, or walking in the jungle.

FWIW, I do not think it is wrong to eat meat. Other animals do it. It is the disrespect I have a problem with. I think meat production should all be free range and organic and the slaughter done on the premises or locally. Meat should be far more expensive to enable producers to do this. The cheaper meat becomes, the more animals are intensively farmed and their wellfare suffers as a result.
 
Leviathan said:
Why do we have to justify ourselves to you or any one.?

The eggs we eat are free range and the male one do not go to slaughter .
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You're not obliged to justify your choices, but it might help the rest of the world understand your decisions if you chose to respond to questions like this and explain why male chicks are less important than adult chickens bred for meat :D

I became a vegetarian for ethical reasons when I was 12. I don't recall having much option when I got my horse for synthetic tack, but if it had been there I suspect I would have gone for some - at the time I was definitely "animal rights" not "animal welfare", if you appreciate the distinction. As I got older and had more experience of the farming and slaughter industries (going to vet school, so plenty of work experience), I started to become more moderated in my opinions. I certainly didn't have any issues with dissections! I remained a vegetarian until earlier this year, simply because I'm not a massive fan of the taste / texture of most meat. I now eat it when I'm out at restaurants because the options are normally much better than the veggie ones - I dislike the veggie options more than the meat ones - so I know class myself as a fully fledged meat eater :D

I agree with wagtail - if you want to eat meat, you should be prepared to kill it yourself. For this reason the only animal I won't eat are lambs. Irrational, yes, BUT for me, lambs are more important. And sheep would still be bred for wool, even if they weren't bred for meat, so I'm safe there too.

I strongly agree with previous comments that farming these animals is the only reason they continue to be bred and kept in this country - and maintaining these populations is more important to me than where they end up after slaughter.
 
Wagtail said:
I think meat production should all be free range and organic and the slaughter done on the premises or locally. Meat should be far more expensive to enable producers to do this. The cheaper meat becomes, the more animals are intensively farmed and their wellfare suffers as a result.
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This, exactly.
 
caitlin95uk said:
In my opinion, we are top of the food chain and any food we eat can be killed how we wish. If a lion was to eat a deer in a way that was gruesome and left it half alive would you be complaining then?
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For one thing lions normally kill their prey before eating it.

So we can kill it how we wish.

For example ???

cut the legs of while alive?
start chopping up while living?

Ridiculous comment.

If they have to be killed for OTHERS to eat it should be done humanly . Not how we wish as we saw recently at the pig farm CHEAL MEATS.

This thread is about who is vege/ vegan and who rides .

This is not a thread where we vege/vegan have to justify ourselves of why we are vege what type of vege , and for Meat eaters to come in and tell us we are morally on high ground or such like.:rolleyes:

Its plain to see by this thread that there are many types of veges , what they eat why etc none is better than the other we are all different with different views. But at the end of the day being a VEGETARIAN / Piscatorian we all have one thing in common we dont eat meat or poultry or fish ( except for Piscatorians).......
 
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