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Prince33Sp4rkle said:
Thanks GP :)

i dont really want to get drawn in to the legality issue, as i understand it, if its not for re-sale, its a grey area, and if i get hauled off in handcuffs..................NMT gets the ride on CS (i know you love him really nik!!!!)

I cannot afford GG long term, and omeprazole has shown to be a viable alternative for many many horses, hence its worth a try at the very least, and in any case, its on way now, so i shall try that and then see if i feel its going to work or if we need to scope or try something else.pehaps a hasty decision to order it now, but whats done is done and i will try it when it arrives, and monitor very closely.
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Maybe cut down on the amount of matchy matchy and new fashionable gear then you could afford the GG long term!! Sorry...couldn't resist!! ;):p
 
bananas_22 said:
ROFL... sorry, you were joking, right? :cool:
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Not really!

If a horse needs something (then again we don't know CS needs it because we don't even know if there's anything wrong!) then it should have it. If that means cutting down on luxuries then so be it!

Anyway, that's my opinion. Will be quiet now as I am a mere happy hacker! :D
 
glamourpuss said:
Also can I also say that I'm pleased that *on the whole* this has been a decent thread to read. Apart from a couple of posts which are obviously trying to get a rise out of PS & NMT ;) it has been full of interesting advice.
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I definitely agree with this. FWIW, I think that you have done a very good job with CS, PS, and it clearly has been nowhere near plain sailing. I'd be inclined to think that there may be/may have been a small level of discomfort in the digestive tract which is probably stress-related, originating way back from his race training days and possibly continuing in an increasingly milder sense throughout his life. Potentially breeding and learned-behaviour have then meant that these episodes will always occur, but the fact they are becoming less frequent is more than likely testament to better/more stable management combined with CS maturing. In this circumstance I think the most sensible thing to do is to experiment with various methods - feed, management, routine, medication, therapies etc and from what I can tell on here this is exactly what you are doing and asking for advice about. :)
 
Moomin1 said:
Not really!

If a horse needs something (then again we don't know CS needs it because we don't even know if there's anything wrong!) then it should have it. If that means cutting down on luxuries then so be it!

Anyway, that's my opinion. Will be quiet now as I am a mere happy hacker! :D
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Maybe so...I was referring more to the statement about hating bitchiness in the horsey-world and then the, IMO bitchy comment in the next post -I thought it was great! :D
 
black_horse said:
Indeed, funilly enough as i deal with these drugs on a daily basis, i MIGHT know a thing or two about them....I was offering advice. TBH i am sick of how much crap is being spouted about me, so why shouldnt i stand up for myself? Its like being stuck in a playschool play yard and fighting over who as the best doll......pathetic.




Exactly what i was thinking, sorry.
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You're the only one fighting. Everyone else has played very nicely and been very polite and offered very sensible advice. Equally, you're the only person I've seen who's been rude and bitchy behind others backs.

FWIW, your horse is displaying quite unusual traits- total meltdowns so bad you're forced to retire, rapid unprovoked reversing, kicking out, etc. Yet everyone is allowed/ has to be nice to you. I've kept quiet because you're a nice person who's had a tough time of it but this is so two-faced it's unreal and now you've randomly deleted me for having a different opinion to you I see there is no reason to maintain this.

What exactly have they done to you? Go on. Exactly what's wrong. If it's all true, then saying it out loud is fine....
 
Am not going to get drawn into this, but just wanted to say, he looked lovely in his pre meltdown pics. Maybe it is just a bit early in the season, my friend is having the same problem with her ex-racer, alibeit at a much lower level. He was actually mananging to get placed on his merit not just because there were only 4 or 6 in class by the end of last year, this year back to being a total tw*t again. Had everything checked out and is not in pain, but he is an awkward sod, hopefully he'll be better this weekend. Incidently have you tried someone else riding him in a test? I did this for my friend and it helped her see what I was seeing from the ground. Not that I am really that qualified to comment, just a thought.
 
bananas_22 said:
Maybe so...I was referring more to the statement about hating bitchiness in the horsey-world and then the, IMO bitchy comment in the next post -I thought it was great! :D
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I'm sorry I am not exactly clear as to what is bitchy about making a suggestion someone cuts down on luxuries to pay for veterinary treatment for their horse? I have seen a lot of posts by PS talking about the latest matchy matchy or gear she has bought. Mere observation that's all.


I have come across too many people who haven't provided for their horse's wellbeing yet they haven't cut down on things such as drinking/smoking/clothes/computer games etc etc.

Just saying!
 
Good lord. These threads never cease to amaze me. PS, you are one ballsy lady to keep posting in the face of some of this!

I know jack about ulcers and even less about competing at the level PS is but are we really suggesting the horse is somehow abused/mistreated/denied anything in life? I must be looking at the wrong pictures!

PS- my opinion isn't worth much but if he were mine I'd probably have him scoped. Keep the om-what ever it's called, have him scoped. If he has ulcers you can use it yourself anyway ,if he doesn't just sell it to someone else. I personally don't think you'd struggle to rehome it. Just my thoughts. ETS: It probably isn't legal to sell it on, but frankly who is going to know. Just don't announce it on here! :eek:

Good luck with him, he's a lovely chap and although I don't know much the early photos you posted look very nice to me :)
 
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Easy tigers! TS did a fantastic job of bringing the thread back to the point in hand and there have been lots of useful suggestions for the OP to follow up on.
 
black_horse said:
But, wasn't one of your recent threads about it being "too good to last" and that she had reverted?

Not criticising what you do with your mare...from what I've seen you manage a sensitive mare as well as most would...but just because you've had a breakthrough, doesn't give you a free ticket to be holier than thou...

Clearly, at some point (because I remember a time when you were a big advocate of PS/NMT) there has been a falling out....so maybe the best thing is just to not get involved? You MUST know it will go this way? But feel free to ignore me, only my opinion/observations after all.

Jess...I just skim read your post and thought you meant rehome CS! Not any unwanted Omeprazole! Did a double take!
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Tr0uble said:
Jess...I just skim read your post and thought you meant rehome CS! Not any unwanted Omeprazole! Did a double take!
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lol :D

I would happily rehome CS. I'm not much for dressage but he'd like to go hunting right PS? :D :D I don't mind rearers. I don't think I could get 1/100th of what PS does out of him but I'm sure I could just gaze at his handsome face over the door and be happy :)
 
black_horse said:
I have deleted you, as well as about 40 other people, dont take it too personally.

You honestly think i am the only one talking...really? wow...

I am stepping out now, before TFC makes me take a holiday.... and yes, delicia USED to do that....used to being the operative word before i had a look at what I was doing.
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Hang on, didn't you recently do a report about how she reverted back to her old self? And when you say "had a look at what I was doing" wasn't it the criticism that you get from people on here about how she's not ready for a double and should still be in a snaffle regardless of whether it was her that needed the stronger bit or you?
 
Chloe..x said:
Hang on, didn't you recently do a report about how she reverted back to her old self? And when you say "had a look at what I was doing" wasn't it the criticism that you get from people on here about how she's not ready for a double and should still be in a snaffle regardless of whether it was her that needed the stronger bit or you?
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Glad it's not just me who thought that!
 
black_horse said:
TBH i am sick of how much crap is being spouted about me, so why shouldnt i stand up for myself? Its like being stuck in a playschool play yard and fighting over who as the best doll......pathetic.
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black_horse said:
You honestly think i am the only one talking...really? wow...
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Tr0uble said:
You MUST know it will go this way?
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B_H, you're probably not the only one posting status' about this thread, but you're the only one who is getting wound up by the very reaction you set out to cause. You are the epitome of an attention seeker. Pathetic.

black_horse said:
and yes, delicia USED to do that....used to being the operative word before i had a look at what I was doing.
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Tr0uble said:
But, wasn't one of your recent threads about it being "too good to last" and that she had reverted?
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Chloe..x said:
Hang on, didn't you recently do a report about how she reverted back to her old self? And when you say "had a look at what I was doing" wasn't it the criticism that you get from people on here about how she's not ready for a double and should still be in a snaffle regardless of whether it was her that needed the stronger bit or you?
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Nail on head.

jesstickle said:
I would happily rehome CS. I'm not much for dressage but he'd like to go hunting right PS?
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*gulp* Even reading CS and hunting in the same sentence makes me nervous :p
 
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Jesstickle, if you've got some kind of death wish, I'd quite like GBO to go hunting, but I'd like someone else to take him first please.....
 
Its ok JT is bionic :D well one knee is :p J tested it thourghly on a tree :D.

Not going to get involved in the argument as my opinion has already been said by several people ;)
 
black_horse said:
At least to the critism and did something to make it better.

Didnt Albert Einstein say "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I had the courage to understand some people commenting had a better knowledge then me and took guidence from them.

As far as i am aware neither yourself nor PS deal with drugs on a daily basis...omeprazole is a drug, a POM PIP drug to be exact. So i revert back to my original statement. Get advice and do tests before feeding said nasty drug to your beautiful horse.

Might i add Nikki, it is you who is sending little spies to view what i write :rolleyes: now that is pathetic
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Do you honestly think that you are so saintly because you finally followed some advice? PS HAS asked for advice...and as far as I can see, just by reading, she is pondering her choices and planning to follow several pieces of advice. Just because she has discounted some of YOUR advice, rather barbed advice TBH, doesn't mean she is blindly insisting she knows better than everyone else.

Or am I missing something? I really do try and avoid getting involved in this kind of sniping, but 5h!!t me some of the things that have been said are enough to p!ss off a house brick!
 
Ok my honest thoughts are that although he may be established at advanced at home from what you tell us he is not getting the scores I would expect from him (harsh judge or not!). I wouldn't be moving up levels BD unless scoring consistently high 60s yes I would school at a higher level at home but not at shows. From your BD record (not hard to work out who you are ;) ) his ' fairly decent' scores last year were at elementary and 1 or 2 at medium, all at AM and Ad are IMHO distinctly average at best and he is not a horse I would call average!

What would I do I hear you ask (or maybe not!)? I would competitively wise return to elementary and possibly bring his home level down a step or two. It may be easy for him but it will build confidence, get those scores and get those regional qualifications he is capable of rather than skipping up levels and scraping petplan qualifications. You have nothing to prove to anyone and no one (who matters!) will care if you return to elementary which he is still more than eligible for! I personally would be far more impressed to see 70%+ at elementary than 60% at AM! I'm not doubting his ability to do an advanced test I do though doubt even without the 'paddies' that he could do one well aka 70%+ at this moment in time.

IMHO although the more complex movements may occupy his brain more I personally question whether he is mentally and physically ready to perform these movements to the required standard in a test situation. You are currently seemingly happy to settle for 63% that's basically mainly 6's (satisfactory) and the odd 7 (fairly good). You don't seem to me to be the type who would day to day settle for 'satisfactory'. You should be aiming for 8s aka good and settling for a few 6s and 7s but ultimately that 70% marker is and should be your aim as that will be the judges confirming that your work is at the very least fairly good if not good throughout. Yes there are 'harsh' marking judges around but a good test will get good scores and to be honest at AM+ level wise the judges are getting to a standard where they will reward a good test accordingly.

So thats my two penneth feel free to ignore me as ultimately I haven't seen more than photos or the odd video (that are a couple years old) and I don't know you or your horse. I can only judge by the facts given. He is capable of brilliance I just think you need to think about the quality first and foremost.

FWIW Fleur had a meltdown as a youngster. She was doing reasonably well for her age as a 4/5yo including age classes SJing even with very limited outings when she had a meltdown. Complete dollies out of pram refusing to go anywhere type one most conveniently on the first day of an expensive 3 days BSJA show! The reason for her meltdown was purely mental, she had been broken too fast in Holland and although more than capable of the work and being trained correctly once in our hands she was not enjoying herself and downed tools saying very bluntly 'no more' and rearing became a regular hobby for her. What did I do? I took her back to basics and allowed her to enjoy her work again, it took longer than most as I lacked money at the time but she ultimately came right I learnt though that although she was more than capable of the higher work I had to take it that bit slower and every so often take a step back to ensure she enjoyed her work. The un-hackable dangerous horse has even become hackable. (we had a very experienced person who specialises in youngsters/problem horses brand her dangerous ;) ) Not saying she is in anyway the same but in the same way there are distinct similarities.

In regard to the ulcer possibility, find yourself a kind female vet appropriately sedate him and get him scoped, that would be my plan of action to get a definitive answer without causing too much stress. Ulcers have many many causes, a very simple one being that as he is mostly kept in during the day that the hayledge (which is highly acidic) he is eating is causing high stomach acid. Of course others include as mentioned stress, infection and many other causes although this is all very presumptuous as they have not been confirmed!
 
SpottedCat said:
Jesstickle, if you've got some kind of death wish, I'd quite like GBO to go hunting, but I'd like someone else to take him first please.....
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Umm. As I know for a fact that you ride much better than I, and that you are much braver, I am going to assume there is a very good reason you don't fancy it yourself and regretfully decline :)

How is that for diplomatic? :p I have heard a rumour that Lolo's Al will hunt anything. Perhaps you should try her :D
 
black_horse said:
At least to the critism and did something to make it better.

Didnt Albert Einstein say "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I had the courage to understand some people commenting had a better knowledge then me and took guidence from them.

As far as i am aware neither yourself nor PS deal with drugs on a daily basis...omeprazole is a drug, a POM PIP drug to be exact. So i revert back to my original statement. Get advice and do tests before feeding said nasty drug to your beautiful horse.

Might i add Nikki, it is you who is sending little spies to view what i write :rolleyes: now that is pathetic
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She does response to the criticism! Why do you think the thread has kept going? Someone suggested the snaffle, and she has justified why she uses the double not because she needs it but because he goes better in it. Again people have said GG, and she's also justified why she can't use it on a long term basis. I don't think PS is stupid enough to just go ahead and feed omeprazole to her horse without doing her research which she has already shown earlier in this topic.

I think you're trying to compare your experience with D to CS when its evidently completely different.
 
jesstickle said:
Umm. As I know for a fact that you ride much better than I, and that you are much braver, I am going to assume there is a very good reason you don't fancy it yourself and regretfully decline :)

How is that for diplomatic? :p I have heard a rumour that Lolo's Al will hunt anything. Perhaps you should try her :D
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She's got something lovely to hunt (well, she did last season, and fingers crossed this will continue next!) so willingness may be decreased as cravings have been satisfied :P
 
Lolo said:
She's got something lovely to hunt (well, she did last season, and fingers crossed this will continue next!) so willingness may be decreased as cravings have been satisfied :P
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O dear. Well I tried :) I also have something lovely to hunt (well, it's ugly and a knobber but it goes and it jumps at least) so not much in the way of desperation here either.
 
black_horse said:
I had the courage to understand some people commenting had a better knowledge then me and took guidence from them.

As far as i am aware neither yourself nor PS deal with drugs on a daily basis...omeprazole is a drug, a POM PIP drug to be exact. So i revert back to my original statement. Get advice and do tests before feeding said nasty drug to your beautiful horse.

Might i add Nikki, it is you who is sending little spies to view what i write :rolleyes: now that is pathetic
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No. You didn't. Someone pointed out your horse was tense and BTV and you kicked up a stink. Then created a post daring people to ride your big bad horse. Then created a further post admitting you were **** scared of it.

You are correct, but PS has done her research into it and there are just as many instances of Omp. proving effective. In the same way that my mum takes amitriptyline for her AS and equates it to a little foil packet of heaven. But it makes me hallucinate, gives me severe stomach pain and does nothing for my AS.

Might I add Rachel, I have sent no one to spy on you. You're the one who can't accept that you're losing an argument you tried so desperately hard to create. 'Use the bricks people throw at you to build a castle.'
 
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Yikes its got a bit heated on here hasnt it?!?

First and foremost if he were mine before administering drugs etc I would get him scoped. The cost of scoping in the long term really is negligible and of course it is very important to remember that ALL drugs have side effects of some kind which may of course cause further problems - would be very silly to ahead and end up with a problem you didnt even need to treat in the first place?!

Even if the scope result comes back clear it may well be worth dropping down a level for a show or two and seeing what happens....it may well be its a bit much too soon - he may well be working at that level beautifully at home but it may just be too much for him when he has other pressures eg crowds, excitement, new venue etc. Absolutely nothing wrong with dropping a horse back down for a couple of shows.

We did the young event horse classes with autumn as a 5yo where the jumping was 1.10 courses and then in her 6yo year decided to event her at BE90 level and not move her up. It took the pressure off both of us and its quite interesting to see actually that a few of the horses who competed with us in the 5yo's have since thrown the towel in, been injured or lost confidence competing at a higher level so young.

CS really is fabulous and you have done the most amazing job with him however I dont think it would do any harm to at least take the pressure off him at comps for a while and drop him down a level when competing and see what happens. Hes only 7 and has the most amazing foundations to build on so whats the rush??

Hope you find a solution whatever it may be and look forward to your next report
 
You know what, I dont normally post on any of your threads as they all seem to degenerate into arguments. For the life of me I really do not see why you have to be so defensive to other forum users. You have asked for help on here quite obviously, if you do not wish to hear the opinions of other people, DONT use an internet forum. You have to just take it on the chin.

I read some of your posts from time to time. I cannot for the life of me work out why you are so defensive - do you have something to hide or prove? People dont normally behave like this if they dont. He is a beautiful horse, you obviously have worked hard, what you spend your cash on is up to you - yes I will poke fun at you because its not my thing (matchy matchy) but whatever, if you read any of my posts, I poke fun at most matchy matchy people, as its not my thing, but I honestly dont give a dam if its your thing, its not hurting me personally, I just choose not to spend my cash that way.

I would add that I mocked myself quite gently in one of your posts a long while ago and you were downright rude to me, which was uncalled for. You dont know me, and I actually didnt deserve the level of scorn you poured on me because I didnt have your 'lightening quick responses'' and 'level of riding skill'. - your own words I just chose to ignore it, but you were downright rude and it was not even warranted.

In parting, if you realy cannot take it, then for gods sake dont give it.
 
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