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TheoryX1 said:
You know what, I dont normally post on any of your threads as they all seem to degenerate into arguments. For the life of me I really do not see why you have to be so defensive to other forum users. You have asked for help on here quite obviously, if you do not wish to hear the opinions of other people, DONT use an internet forum. You have to just take it on the chin.

I read some of your posts from time to time. I cannot for the life of me work out why you are so defensive - do you have something to hide or prove? People dont normally behave like this if they dont. He is a beautiful horse, you obviously have worked hard, what you spend your cash on is up to you - yes I will poke fun at you because its not my thing (matchy matchy) but whatever, if you read any of my posts, I poke fun at most matchy matchy people, as its not my thing, but I honestly dont give a dam if its your thing, its not hurting me personally, I just choose not to spend my cash that way.

I would add that I mocked myself quite gently in one of your posts a long while ago and you were downright rude to me, which was uncalled for. You dont know me, and I actually didnt deserve the level of scorn you poured on me because I didnt have your 'lightening quick responses'' and 'level of riding skill'. - your own words I just chose to ignore it, but you were downright rude and it was not even warranted.

In parting, if you realy cannot take it, then for gods sake dont give it.
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Scopes aren't without risk, folks. If we consent a human for a scope, it includes the risks of bleeding and perforation and we've got one patient on ITU who had a scope, perforated his oesophagus and then ended up having some fairly major surgical washout of his mediastinum! For people who asked if we would start a human on omeprazole without knowing what you were dealing with, then the answer is yes absolutely. Loads of people get put on omeprazole without a scope, it is a relatively safe drug and well tolerated and can be bought over the counter without a prescription. We wouldn't routinely scope people with acid reflux pain unless there were other symptoms. That said, I think a scope might help put your mind at rest here TBH.

OP, sounds like he learned from an early age to rear and be difficult. It is entirely possible that he may have some niggle but it's actually how he deals with it that is peculiar to him. Some horses are quite stoic and will soldier on, some will down tools and he sounds like a sensitive type with added learned bad behaviour from long before you got hold of him. I think the key will be to get him out more and try to make him learn that when he is being difficult in a test situation, you don't just retire because of it but that you show him you mean business. Clearly when you school at home, you mean business and he may sense that you are a bit more inhibited at comps, because of everyone watching - like children who are well behaved at home but muck about in the supermarket when everyone is staring to the horror of their parents!
 
I am more of a lurker but in defence of PS, I have read every post of this thread hoping to learn a thing or two from those more experienced than me, and PS's responses have seemed polite and like she is being respectful and pondering all the possibilities that have been put forward to her. She seems to just be trying to get her head round things and has from my pov has avoided the arguments. If anything it is NMT who has responded in arguments which I would do in her position. She is defending her sister and her sisters beautiful horse. I would be nightmare in defence of my sister and a lot less polite than NMT. She is allowed an opinion like everyone else and can rightly defend her sister and horse knowing more about the situation than those on a forum.

Good luck to PS and CS and to NMT and Fig, you two are two of those I look up to on this forum along with others and it is good to see a warts and all post and the discussion that goes along with it. It is good to learn from when things don't go so well.
 
kit279 said:
Scopes aren't without risk, folks. If we consent a human for a scope, it includes the risks of bleeding and perforation and we've got one patient on ITU who had a scope, perforated his oesophagus and then ended up having some fairly major surgical washout of his mediastinum! For people who asked if we would start a human on omeprazole without knowing what you were dealing with, then the answer is yes absolutely. Loads of people get put on omeprazole without a scope, it is a relatively safe drug and well tolerated and can be bought over the counter without a prescription. We wouldn't routinely scope people with acid reflux pain unless there were other symptoms. That said, I think a scope might help put your mind at rest here TBH.
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I'd agree to that to an extent - I've had an endoscopy and they aren't nice at all! I'm also on Omeprazole amongst many other things and it doesn't give me any side effects.

However, we can voice our concerns and raise potential issues with our health. Horses cannot so we have to advocate for them. If any horse of mine was presenting with ulcer-like symptoms, or I thought it was strong enough of a possibility to consider buying medication, I'd certainly be looking at scoping as my first port of call.
 
LADIES!!! (i'm presuming that everyone here is female..given the degeneration and length of the thread...boys would be very bored by now:p)...can we all please play nicely?

FWIW i had a dressage lesson last night that was interesting in the light of this thread. my horse (who did a lovely 29 dressage on sunday at his BE) was a complete ratbagface and decided that he couldn't even trot large without coming very short and tight and spooky...then when we moved on to leg yielding it was a lot of feet stamping and tail swishing and bucking...trainer's opinion is that he is just this sort of horse- when he finds something hard the toys come out of the pram and he 'kicks off'...if you keep asking the same question- persistently and quietly- then eventually he gives in....these tantrums happen say 15% of the time where they used to happen 50% of the time. all vet checks etc all fine...he's just 'that way' inclined...so yes to a certain extent it can be improved through training...but he will always have that personality... so possibly this is what is wrong with CS? obviously i am riding at prelim/novice rather than AM/Advanced but essentially its the same thing- he is just inclined to behave in this way for some reason...with my horse he does it when he is bored or when he finds something difficult...with CS it could be any number of things...or it could be ulcers...or it could be he needs to step down a level or whatever...think PS has had lots of good suggestions here that i am sure she will take on board and experiment with at her leisure....
good luck OP, hope you get it sorted :)
 
nice horse, BUT young for the level of work asked of him. turn him out for a few mionths with no work.ie TURN HIM AWAY AND let the horse think. you will be surprised when you pick him up again. he will be sweeter in himself and ready to work!
 
Moomin1 said:
I'm sorry I am not exactly clear as to what is bitchy about making a suggestion someone cuts down on luxuries to pay for veterinary treatment for their horse? I have seen a lot of posts by PS talking about the latest matchy matchy or gear she has bought. Mere observation that's all.


I have come across too many people who haven't provided for their horse's wellbeing yet they haven't cut down on things such as drinking/smoking/clothes/computer games etc etc.

Just saying!
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My observation would be that if you really didn't think there was any hint of bitchyness about your comment you possibly wouldn't have put the "sorry couldn't resist!" bit??

As for PS' spending habits, not any of my business as she hasn't asked for advice on this. I would point out though that she hasn't to my knowledge posted about buying a lot of matchy matchy since she has considered the gastroguard and alternative options...so whether she is replacing spending on one with spending on another is only guesswork on here :)
 
kit279 said:
Scopes aren't without risk, folks. If we consent a human for a scope, it includes the risks of bleeding and perforation and we've got one patient on ITU who had a scope, perforated his oesophagus and then ended up having some fairly major surgical washout of his mediastinum! For people who asked if we would start a human on omeprazole without knowing what you were dealing with, then the answer is yes absolutely. Loads of people get put on omeprazole without a scope, it is a relatively safe drug and well tolerated and can be bought over the counter without a prescription. We wouldn't routinely scope people with acid reflux pain unless there were other symptoms. That said, I think a scope might help put your mind at rest here TBH.
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Very interesting to hear that about Omp.

kit279 said:
I think the key will be to get him out more and try to make him learn that when he is being difficult in a test situation, you don't just retire because of it but that you show him you mean business.
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Quite agree!

TrakehnerFilly said:
Good luck to PS and CS and to NMT and Fig, you two are two of those I look up to on this forum along with others and it is good to see a warts and all post and the discussion that goes along with it. It is good to learn from when things don't go so well.
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Thank you :)

TheoryX1 said:
Bored, not really. Why on earth do you think I was bored? You dont even know me, so cant really decide what makes me bored.

Are you bored?
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Cobrastyle said:
I'm also on Omeprazole amongst many other things and it doesn't give me any side effects.
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That is really interesting to hear, it's bizarre how one medicine affects people/animals in such different ways :cool:

TrakehnerFilly said:
In response to Chloe you can buy it over the counter so not prescription only
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kit279 said:
Omeprazole used to be POM, was reclassified a few years ago.

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Proton-Pump-Inhibitors-(PPIs).htm
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Whoopsiedaisy B_H....
 
black_horse said:
Oh and NMT, not whoospidaisy, i deal with this medication daily.....they google it and come up with not very good sources.

MIMMS is a guide that all pharmacists adhere too....now back off NMT, you are too big for your boots at times...
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So it's not POM then?

ETA... if its POM, why is it freely available to buy over the counter?
 
Ah thanks NMT. You are really considerate searching the internet just find me interesting little things to cure my boredom.

Thanks, you are really kind and how did you know I was his greatest fan?
 
This thread is an illustration of why I don't post on here much and why I had a previous account deleted. I tend to lurk irregularly nowadays just putting up the odd post or two.

It is blindingly obvious that the OP and her sister do not want any constructive advice on how to manage their horses training regimes, preferring to receive advice within the window of what they see as acceptable or to seek out responses that confirm what they have decided their already determined course of action.

It is relatively pointless to post anything that sits outside their parameters of acceptability as it will either be ignored or sometimes met with a defensive response. therefore I would refer all posters who wish to stray outside this to the old adage about teaching pigs to sing..........................................
 
black_horse said:
Oh and NMT, not whoospidaisy, i deal with this medication daily.....they google it and come up with not very good sources.

MIMMS is a guide that all pharmacists adhere too....now back off NMT, you are too big for your boots at times...
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black_horse said:
It is a POM, simvastatin can be bought at 10mg doseage, as can ranitidine at 150mg. POM status depends on the quantity supplied as well as the strenght. For instance, you can buy up to 100 paracetamol tablets behind the counter (unlikely to be allowed to but in theory), but more then that, you require a prescription.
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At the pharmacy I used to work at, you where only allowed to buy two types of paracetamol containing products at the counter. If you required more it was at the pharmacists discretion.

So its a POM at high doses but freely available otherwise?
 
Why is everyone getting their knickers in a twist over whether Omeprazole is POM for humans or not? Last time I looked, Star was a horse. The only licensed compound containing Omeprazole for horses is gastrogard...

And NMT, your last few posts have been deeply immature, I really don't think you are helping your sister's cause by acting the bratty little sister.
 
1t34 said:
This thread is an illustration of why I don't post on here much and why I had a previous account deleted. I tend to lurk irregularly nowadays just putting up the odd post or two.

It is blindingly obvious that the OP and her sister do not want any constructive advice on how to manage their horses training regimes, preferring to receive advice within the window of what they see as acceptable or to seek out responses that confirm what they have decided their already determined course of action.

It is relatively pointless to post anything that sits outside their parameters of acceptability as it will either be ignored or sometimes met with a defensive response. therefore I would refer all posters who wish to stray outside this to the old adage about teaching pigs to sing..........................................
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Like. Lots.
 
TBF PS has been quite quiet and has responded well. NMT on the other hand .........:rollseyes: appears to be waging a war on many. Odd, no?
 
NR99 said:
TBF PS has been quite quiet and has responded well. NMT on the other hand .........:rollseyes: appears to be waging a war on many. Odd, no?
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Odd? No, just the usual... :rolleyes: Don't really expect any different to be honest, which is sad as it takes away from the skill and experience of her big sister.
 
*sigh* *yawn*

It's the internet ladies, do behave in a courteous manner, you never know who you might sit next to on the bus/train/waiting room etc etc.......
 
Jeez I saw this post when it first went up and knew it would degenerate into a petty squabble. As a long time lurker I love to look at
PS's photo posts, her horse is seriously stunning yet there always seems to be a row and NMT does her best Rottweiler impression snapping at anyone who doesnt want to say how pretty the horse is and how nice his matchy matchy tack is. Usually the arguments are abit of good entertainment but this thread has gotten so b#tchy it's unpleasant to read. Maybe some people need to step away from the keyboard and remember this is just a forum and not something to raise their stress levels over.
 
Ho hum. Usual riot following one of these threads!
I will agree that I would not treat for ulcers without a scope. Ours had ulcers, was scoped and from the scope the level of gastroguard was calculated. There are also different types of ulcers which require different treatments.
The insurance will pay for a scope and the treatment so surely there is no harm in going the correct route.
If the scope comes back clear then ypy will no be wasting time pumping drugs into a horse which doesnt need it and you can use the time saved looking into the reasons for his behaviour.
As I stated before, I would drop him back a few levels both at home and in competition, he doesn't need to do all the psg movements every time he is schooled or competed, he wont forget what he has learnt.
go back, gain his confidence, move forward slowly.
 
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