Armas learns to fly - starting changes at AM Dressage camp :)

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Thought I'd do a little report on our weekend at AM Dressage as we did have quite a lot of fun :)

We had agreed beforehand with Adam that we would use the weekend to begin changes properly, as we'd have the chance to do a lot of repetition and different approaches if it was tricky. He's done a few here and there just playing, but the success rate for clean changes was low!

We slotted in an extra lesson with Matt on Thursday afternoon when we arrived, to get settled in and begin to get Armas's brain in gear. We worked on making the canter adjustable and being able to position him left and right without any tantrums, and then working towards pirouette canter to get him sitting. Then we popped a few changes in which were consistently late behind and accompanied by lots of crazy pogoing! It was a productive session though and helped to set the agenda for the weekend. I never felt he was quite straight into the right rein... never mind, plenty of time to address that!

On Friday we had our first session with Adam. We were in the small school so that we could have the space to ourselves in case there was more leaping about ;) We picked up the themes of adjustability and responsiveness, and working in counter canter with the shoulders positioned to the inside, letting him almost boil over and then ask for the change. We came back to walk after each change to let him settle again before the next one, and decided to do several repetitions of the exercise before changing the rein, as he is a horse that learns better that way. He was starting to get it, though we had some issues going left to right as he tends to push the left shoulder down and out, napping to my inside leg. Still... getting closer to the goal ;)

http://youtu.be/uGy4yvSbmTs

Saturday was another session with Matt. We had intended to continue the changes but Armas was somewhat lacking in the submission department, so we took a step back and did some other work, initially on the half passes trying to add energy and push, and later working on adding power and cadence to the trot by playing with passage. It was nice to ride after watching Matt schooling his horses, because it really made me think about the need to make a hot horse hotter sometimes - his horses are so, so responsive and simply not allowed to go behind the leg. Armas kids me sometimes that he's on the aids, when he is simply pratting about and overreacting!

He's come a bit short in the neck as the work has stepped up, but we had a break through a couple of weeks ago where he FINALLY ;) learnt to pull into the rein, so I feel confident that he will be able to reach into the contact again when the more demanding work becomes normal.

http://youtu.be/yq8hialSdbY

On Sunday we had another session with Adam. I'd have liked to have one with Justine because I think she's so good for correcting rider faults but as we were close to success with the changes we thought we'd stick with Adam as he knows the horse so well. I think we really made a lot of progress on the last day - there was less stressy galloping, and some neat little true changes which we can build on at home.
Unfortunately there's no sound on this vid but we talked a lot about when to ride through a stressy period and make him wait for the aids, and when to accept a horse offering a change albeit slightly on their terms. We got stuck in passage at one point while we had a disagreement about submission to left rein and right leg, but apart from that I think he did very well.

http://youtu.be/FDiE28QNZAQ

All in all another productive camp at AM Dressage and I'd recommend them to anyone. In February we went with no goal in mind and achieved loads, and this time we went with a specific aim and came back with plenty of homework but having laid great foundations. It was a lovely group of people and I hope (HOPE HOPE HOPE) that Millie will be back in work and able to go to camp next year.

Armas has a few more days to work on the changes and then we will put them aside until after his Area Festival - as Adam pointed out, he's the sort of horse that will be hard to stop doing them once he figures out that they are easy!

In other news, Millie has been signed off to start trotting (yay!)though she's finding it all a bit hard work ;)
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and Kira has started work in the school which she seemed to enjoy, tucking her little welsh nose in and flicking her toes! There's a lot of work to do but it's nice that they are all so different :)
 
This was brilliant to watch - thanks for posting Monty is exactly the same!!! Gets his knickers in a right knot worrying about what I might ask him. There are some funny videos on my Youtube of us bouncing and jigging around trying to get them. Just in the last month he seems to have got some kind of idea about them and we're now getting clean ones right to left but not left to right but he's finally getting the idea of then changing behind and not back in front. He gets his knickers in a knot every time I try and change the bend in counter canter now though - I have to keep changing how I ask for them every session as he's just toooooo clever!
 
Thanks for sharing this I have been starting changes with my horse and the reaction your horse has is exactly the same as I get, so much tension sometimes they are just explosions so that was brilliant to see the advice u got to be able to deal with it and diffuse him. I tend to when mine gets really explosive about them leave them for another day rather than keep trying so or was interesting to see you keep going even with the tension ...Thanks again x
 
This was brilliant to watch - thanks for posting Monty is exactly the same!!! Gets his knickers in a right knot worrying about what I might ask him. There are some funny videos on my Youtube of us bouncing and jigging around trying to get them. Just in the last month he seems to have got some kind of idea about them and we're now getting clean ones right to left but not left to right but he's finally getting the idea of then changing behind and not back in front. He gets his knickers in a knot every time I try and change the bend in counter canter now though - I have to keep changing how I ask for them every session as he's just toooooo clever!

Lol, I thought it might give someone a giggle watching me getting bounced around. I'm looking forward to the light at the end of the tunnel :)

Thanks for sharing this I have been starting changes with my horse and the reaction your horse has is exactly the same as I get, so much tension sometimes they are just explosions so that was brilliant to see the advice u got to be able to deal with it and diffuse him. I tend to when mine gets really explosive about them leave them for another day rather than keep trying so or was interesting to see you keep going even with the tension ...Thanks again x

Explosions is the word for it! The thing with Armas is he's a horse who is always going to become tense when he's asked to do something and he's not 100% certain of the correct response. His reaction when uncertain is to bounce around on the spot or gallop off with his ears up my nose. When we start anything new there is always a period of time where we have to push through that, and then he twigs that it's easy really if he just does x y & z, and then the tension subsides.

It was really helpful having expert advice though because they made me a lot braver about riding through it. We've carried on day after day because he is learning quickly so a little more practice will get him over the hump :)
 
Thank you for posting, I really enjoy watching your videos of him! We are no way near at the same level, but my boy tends to anticipate and just explode in reaction to what I am, or might, ask him ;-) and also tends to use what he has learnt as his latest evasion. Not sure we are good enough to go to AM dressage but I think it might be beneficial for us if they don't mind a pair of numpteys!
 
Aww bless him, definitely knickers in a not, you can see him holding his breath kind of going OMG every stride and then going ah (flings legs about!) that's it .... oh bummer no it isn't, stress stress, oh there :D
 
Thanks for sharing. I watched the first 2 videos completely and really enjoyed them. He's looking really good, you must be really proud of him. I want to take my baby to stay up there and meet Adam but she's not quite grown up enough to really benefit at the moment, in another couple of months she should be though which will be exciting!
 
Thank you for posting, it is so interesting to see the progression and I think great to see that it's alright if sometimes things aren't the most straightforward. Nicely ridden as always and great news about Millie :):)
 
Not sure we are good enough to go to AM dressage but I think it might be beneficial for us if they don't mind a pair of numpteys!

I can absolutely guarantee they wouldn't think you weren't good enough. Don't do yourself down! We've been on camp with a variety of different horses, from just backed to GP. This time there was a lovely lady with a connie she jumped, who needed to learn how to go on the bit. He was transformed by the end of the weekend. They are really so approachable and down to earth :)

Aww bless him, definitely knickers in a not, you can see him holding his breath kind of going OMG every stride and then going ah (flings legs about!) that's it .... oh bummer no it isn't, stress stress, oh there :D

Yep, I think you've got him nailed there ;)

Thanks for sharing. I watched the first 2 videos completely and really enjoyed them. He's looking really good, you must be really proud of him. I want to take my baby to stay up there and meet Adam but she's not quite grown up enough to really benefit at the moment, in another couple of months she should be though which will be exciting!

:D :D how exciting! He's grown up a lot this year I think, it's starting to come together.

Thank you for posting, it is so interesting to see the progression and I think great to see that it's alright if sometimes things aren't the most straightforward.

well.... James always posted the bad & ugly as well as the good so we might as well continue in that vein! And yes, you make a good point, sometimes you just have to put up with bad & ugly knowing that you will push through it eventually. And that's OK :) That's one of the nice things about Adam's lessons - he gives me the encouragement I need to not back away from those horrible moments for fear of undoing something.
 
Bless him! i had a little TB mare years ago who used to do that very unseating Vertical Takeoff and Landing thing when I was teaching her changes. It's very hard to pat them for getting it right when you've just come down from the roof!
 
Bless him! i had a little TB mare years ago who used to do that very unseating Vertical Takeoff and Landing thing when I was teaching her changes. It's very hard to pat them for getting it right when you've just come down from the roof!

Too right! Have found a neck strap for this week's efforts to avoid too much air between jods and saddle ;) When he gets it right first time you barely notice he's made the change. When he gets in a tizz... we have lift off :p
 
I really enjoy your training posts and vids. It's interesting to see that things don't always go quite to plan and how you deal with them and work through it. Armas has improved so much, it's good to see him getting stronger. Weirdly, I quite like to see other combinations getting things wrong - not because I want to see people fail but because I know we get things wrong and it's easy to get caught up in your own little bubble thinking no one else ever does or is perfect all the time! You can see Armas thinking about what he's doing then suddenly saying "argh, i can't cope with this" and buggering off in a tizz! Mine has a tendency to do that when he's learning something new/ finding it hard - if in doubt, run away! ;) And although he does enjoy flatwork he can be very tense and silly/ over reactive about things so it's useful to see how others deal with it in their horses.

I'm definitely going to be heading down to AM next year for a few days of training. Losing my transport for a few months but when I have it back, that's first on the list of things to do!
 
I really enjoy your training posts and vids. It's interesting to see that things don't always go quite to plan and how you deal with them and work through it. Armas has improved so much, it's good to see him getting stronger. Weirdly, I quite like to see other combinations getting things wrong - not because I want to see people fail but because I know we get things wrong and it's easy to get caught up in your own little bubble thinking no one else ever does or is perfect all the time! You can see Armas thinking about what he's doing then suddenly saying "argh, i can't cope with this" and buggering off in a tizz! Mine has a tendency to do that when he's learning something new/ finding it hard - if in doubt, run away! ;) And although he does enjoy flatwork he can be very tense and silly/ over reactive about things so it's useful to see how others deal with it in their horses.

He is definitely getting stronger - a few months ago he wouldn't have been able to condense the canter and maintain it like that, and he has also started to react more 'appropriately' ;) when asked to step under more. He's still a weak horse, I'd say, but improving all the time.

Oh, and yes, things go wrong all the time. He has probably taught me to accept that more than any other horse I've ridden. And to dust myself off and keep trying when that happens, rather than to get despondent. What's really nice now is that the basic work is becoming more established every day, so for example, after an explosion caused by a muddled flying change, he will now walk on a long(ish) rein immediately afterwards, whereas before it would have taken 20 laps at extended sideways gallop before he could contemplate walking!

I'm definitely going to be heading down to AM next year for a few days of training. Losing my transport for a few months but when I have it back, that's first on the list of things to do!

do it, do it, do it...;)
 
Just lovely to see this. He's a credit to the work you and James have put into him, he really is. You were only 10 minutes away from me as well as I'm just down the road from AM dressage :)

Neck strap sounds like a good idea but you must be having so much fun :) xx
 
Neck strap definitely required to avoid full on rider launching - we are back with Adam for a final go tomorrow so I have some homework to do tonight. Some were brilliant on Tuesday, some are catapult-like. I need velcro jods!

(we should all have a HHO meet up some time!)
 
Neck strap definitely required to avoid full on rider launching - we are back with Adam for a final go tomorrow so I have some homework to do tonight. Some were brilliant on Tuesday, some are catapult-like. I need velcro jods!

(we should all have a HHO meet up some time!)

Just let me know when. I am actually free tomorrow but won't come and get in your way, lol. Got a very tricky wedding cake to get finished and not sure what times I need to drop my aunt off/pick her up but if you're local, just give me a shout...I'm always up for getting out, especially now :) xxx
 
An AM Dressage HHO meet up! ;)

I could be up for that too. Would love an intensive dressage weekend. Keep going on eventing ones but secretly still a dressage lover at heart! Had my lesson yesterday and played with the changes again - certainly had some athletic leg flinging going on! Great fun when you feel them actually getting the idea :-D
 
I could be up for that too. Would love an intensive dressage weekend. Keep going on eventing ones but secretly still a dressage lover at heart! Had my lesson yesterday and played with the changes again - certainly had some athletic leg flinging going on! Great fun when you feel them actually getting the idea :-D

Cool, definitely something to plan for then :)

'athletic leg flinging' sounds way better than 'out of control leaping'. I'll remember that for next time ...
 
I did have to nearly surgically remove his ears from my nostrils at one point and my trainer's polite and simple sounding request to tap him through behind resulted in his hindlegs somewhere up around my ears but it is definitely getting slightly more refined with practice!
 
That was us a year ago! In Feb this year he won the Prelim Regionals. Now we're planning our first Medium and teaching changes. It's like a switch has flicked this year and suddenly he's gone all super duper dressage horse on me. Loving it!
 
That was us a year ago! In Feb this year he won the Prelim Regionals. Now we're planning our first Medium and teaching changes. It's like a switch has flicked this year and suddenly he's gone all super duper dressage horse on me. Loving it!

That's what has happened with us recently though we're never going to be a super duper dressage pairing or get to Medium! Instructor started us working on med trot to improve the working trot as he can be a bit stuffy, like to go around like a show pony with nose tucked in but not really going anywhere. I was told not to expect him to be great at the MT as it can take a long time to develop, and it was more an exercise to help other things. Well, he got the hang of it immediately, has developed quite a decent med trot quickly, and it's improved everything. I now have the lovely working trot I've been after for months, he feels more powerful, is carrying himself, and his attitude has totally changed too. Also been working on counter canter, mainly to straighten the true canter, and I can't believe what a difference that has made. He has also suddenly changed from a horse who grumbles all the way through a schooling session to a horse who is now offering me everything with bells on; something about those two exercises has changed his entire attitude to dressage.

I do love eventing but when my schooling sessions feel the way they do ATM, I'd happily stick to DR!!

Sorry milliepops, have completely hijacked your thread... What is next for Armas? What is he going to be doing over the winter?
 
Sorry milliepops, have completely hijacked your thread... What is next for Armas? What is he going to be doing over the winter?

Not at all! It's nice to hear about everyone else's successes ;)

We had a lesson with Adam this afternoon (vid to follow) and managed lots of decent changes with only one prolonged strop, so that was very encouraging :)

Armas has 2 bites at the area festival cherry next weekend. I guess the plan after that will partly depend on how successful or otherwise that is. He needs a bit of a holiday to have a sarcoid treated so we are just working out the best timing for that. Otherwise, onwards and upwards, he's just started competing at medium so if we can get out to enough shows perhaps we will try for winter regionals. I'd like to have some more goes with the freestyle too because that's good fun.
 
For anyone still remotely interested, this was Friday's efforts with Adam

http://youtu.be/Ajz3yB_yDdk

Much less of the athletic leg flinging, despite one or two cross moments! He did some sweet changes at the fundraiser today as well, so feeling quite optimistic that the penny is dropping at last :)
 
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