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So, it seems to me that many might like some answers to why we do things the way we do. Maybe you have asked a student before and not been given a satisfactory answer, one that actually help you understand. Maybe you asked someone, and they shunned you or were rude to you. Maybe you are too afraid to ask, because you feel like the "method" will be crammed down your throat as you all know, we are the fastest growing "cult" since Jesus.:rolleyes: Maybe you havn't asked because you are afraid your friends will riddicule you for doing so, when all you want to do is understand.

While I am a very busy person, I promise, that I will do my very best to explain HONEST questions, about ANY part of parelli. be it the techniques, program, club, philosphy, fears, etc. I may not respond quickly, as I work and have alot of horses in my care, but as long as you are not rude, or turn this into bashing, I WILL answer what ever you ask.

You have asked for it on another thread, stated that you have not recieved what you need to make an informed discision or whatever, so here it is. Don't be shy.

Not sure about me? Read my posts on the catwalk thread and I hope you will see, that I am not a mindless, driveling, brainwashed sheep, who has been dooped out of my horendous fortune.

I hope to merely a bridge to narrow the gap, nothing more, and promise I will not bash you or what you do.

Shingle hung, door is open, walk on in.:cool:
 
So are you saying that what people have seen with their own eyes is not to be believed. As said I went to one of the clinics a few years ago and was not impressed only stayed for one day or is there something else we are missing? Should we just have stayed and watched something we didnt like or felt uncomfortable with.
 
How is Parelli so bloody successful? He does nothing but circus tricks (what's the point of them?) or common sense stuff yet appears to be enormously rich.

How can he do what he did at the demonstration at Stoneleigh and still be respected?
 
Hello Tongue-n-Cheek. Thank you for posting here. I am afraid Mr.P. has thoroughly put off quite a few people. It would be good if it was made extremely clear that he is only the last and not the best natural horsemanship practitioner (just the loudest). He has borrowed from a lot of horse trainers and turned it into a circus. Anybody genuinely interested should try one of Mark Rashid books for example. A huge dose of common sense, love and respect for the horse, and a few digs at the way some use 'natural horsemanship methods'. There have been, and are, some brilliant horse people who do use natural horsemanship methods to improve the life of horses and the understanding humans have of them. In all fairness, this needs to be recognised.
 
this was not intended to be patronizing. specific people did specifically ask. it is not about pat parelli, nor catwalk. it is about students and a comunity. some people here have stated they want to understand a few things, and no one will answer thier questions. I will. no more, no less.

the one thing I wont answer here is about stonleigh. my answer is on that thread. look it up there please.

Jesus is not a cult, and I was not suggesting he was
 
Kaylum said:
So are you saying that what people have seen with their own eyes is not to be believed. As said I went to one of the clinics a few years ago and was not impressed only stayed for one day or is there something else we are missing? Should we just have stayed and watched something we didnt like or felt uncomfortable with.
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No, if you don't like something, leave. If you came to learn and feel that it is not right for you, you should leave. it is your perogative. it is not for everyone, just like anything else. i am not impressed with a few instructors myself
 
cinammontoast said:
How is Parelli so bloody successful? He does nothing but circus tricks (what's the point of them?) or common sense stuff yet appears to be enormously rich.

How can he do what he did at the demonstration at Stoneleigh and still be respected?
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I cannot comment on the stonleigh thing because respect is a very personal thing.

Parelli is sucessful because it meets a need for many people.

horsemanship is anything but common sense. in reference to 'circus tricks" you need to be more specific. I cannot answer generalizations

He is rich, because his product works. people want more. it doesn't work for everyone and that is what it is. for those it works for, we want more.
 
bay_beasty said:
I am utterly offended you refer to Jesus as a cult!!!! It definitely is not a cult! take it back!!!!
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"Maybe you are too afraid to ask, because you feel like the "method" will be crammed down your throat as you all know, we are the fastest growing "cult" since Jesus. "

I am truley sorry, I forgot for a moment I was on a new forum, and you all are not used to my humorus sense of sarcasm. that was wrong on my part. sorry

I honestly find the whole "cult" thing rediculous, as Pat and Linda are not THAT good to have created a "cult", though I agree it does apear that way, and at times, even to some us.
 
Ok, I'll ask a question.

Mr. P needed all these things, ropes, lines etc etc to get this horse to accept a bridle...

Now, my horse is NOT a stallion, but being a 17.2 he threw he weight around and injuries to humans happened...

Is it the intention of Parelli to get a 'quick fix now'....because although it took a few months, we got Bob (the monster 17.2) to accept his bridle, and 9 years down the line, he still does, with no looking back, ANd we can mess with his ears, he actually seems to enjoy it now, and drops his head for an 'ear-rub'....

I believe we earned that trust.....and the way Mr. P did it....makes me think that Parelli is wanting a quick way to get the horse to accept the bridle.

So why all the gadgets?

thanks!
 
planete said:
Hello Tongue-n-Cheek. Thank you for posting here. I am afraid Mr.P. has thoroughly put off quite a few people. It would be good if it was made extremely clear that he is only the last and not the best natural horsemanship practitioner (just the loudest). He has borrowed from a lot of horse trainers and turned it into a circus. Anybody genuinely interested should try one of Mark Rashid books for example. A huge dose of common sense, love and respect for the horse, and a few digs at the way some use 'natural horsemanship methods'. There have been, and are, some brilliant horse people who do use natural horsemanship methods to improve the life of horses and the understanding humans have of them. In all fairness, this needs to be recognised.
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A agree to some extent. some people, SOME, blindly follow pat and linda. they put blind faith and trust in everything they do, and do not question anything. but that is not everyone, I can assure you that.

I posted this because the other clinicians do not have this problem, and quite honestly that speaks for itself.
 
Caledonia said:
I'd really like to know what your opinion as a horseman is on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwYAn4IH918
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We also had loading issues with Bob (the one with bridle issuse) and my husband sorted him out with that one..

He had a lunge line on bob, and sat half-way up the ramp on the lorry, with his flask of tea and paper....didn't ask Bob (who was gearing up for a fight) to do a thing. OH just sat there.....occasionally talking to Bob...and when I returned after a ride on one of the other horses, turned him away and did a few jobs...over 3 hours had passed, I came round the corner to see OH still sat, Bob was hopping, obviously bored to tears....then you know what?

In he went, and NEVER a bother again.

We have a IW 510 trailer now, and he loads and travels in that perfectly.

PATIENCE is how I teach my horses to trust me. OH and me have worked on a few other horses for friends too....with great success.....
 
This new poster has started this thread to try to answer some questions and be helpful. It might be worth taking that in the spirit it's intended? They have offered to talk about the method so why go on the attack about the marketing, Pat P being rich etc? They have also talked about the stallion at Stoneleigh on that thread, and asked not to repeat it here. If you read what they said, they are not too happy about it either.
I don't think that this person is here to defend the extremes, but if you want to understand some of the Parelli theory, here's your chance. You might agree or disagree, but it would give you an insight.
(Having said that, I tried to do that several times in the past, and it was a waste of time).
 
I am going to simulate my foot up that mans ar*e. What a ****!!!

i have a new theory on Parelli, its like communism, on paper it sounds ok. In practice its a whole other story......
 
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Ok, my question is:

I understand the using the rope to get them to back up thing. I also understand that you start with a little wiggle and gradually make it 'stronger' until the horse gets the idea and backs up. What I do not understand is why you use a rope with a heavy metal swivel clip on it, which by the nature of the halters 'encouraged' by Parelli hangs a couple of inches below the head, and which inevitably hits the horse on the face as the rope wiggle gets stronger? Can you please explain why this is considered acceptable, given that most horse people (natural or otherwise) would be pretty unhappy if someone stood in front of them and hit a horse repeatedly, gradualy getting harder, under the 'chin' with a stick until it figured out what is wanted and moved backwards. I would like to know a) why Parelli advocates have an issue with giving a napping horse one smack with a stick on the backside and yet no qualms about repeatedly slamming a heavy metal clip into its face and b) why no-one involved with the group has come up with an alternative design and shown that it works better/as well but without the issue of the metal clip hitting the horse's head.

Obviously this is highly effective because eventually, to avoid being hit by a clip round the head, the horse responds to the small wiggle, which is the result which Parelli advocates will tell you justify the means. But it does not sit well with me, not least because I have used the same technique, minus the clip, to teach horses to back up on voice command (which frankly, is what I want as rope wiggling is a lot of effort if you can just say 'back' instead ;) ).

Thanks!
 
Fastest growing cult since jesus? Get over yourselves, its a load of commercial ****e. If I wanted to get my horse to walk backwards when I pulled his tail I would have bought a shetland or a barbie horse, lest spend decent money on a hunter to play games with it and tie it up.
 
Caledonia said:
I'd really like to know what your opinion as a horseman is on this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwYAn4IH918
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Can't see he achieved anything there apart from stress the mare. Had to smile at one point, he has just said "watch my feet, my feet don't move" and she dragged him forwards several steps.:p
Looking at the state of that trailer I think the horse was showing a good sense of self preservation by refusing to load into it.
 
Ok... I have an actual question about Parelli (which I have never practiced). I understand that a lot of practitioners of Parelli learn the method from DVDs; apart from the potential to reach a wider audience, what are the benefits for a novice horse owner in using a DVD over having an actual instructor to help them? As a Parelli teacher, do you have concerns about those who have learned from the DVD not using the methods 'properly'? This is not meant to be inflammatory, it is a genuine question!
 
i dont get what happened at stoneleigh, can someone point me in the right direction?? i dont have anything against parelli, i just dont do it. it works for some people and not for others, it would work with my tb! he cack his pants at one wiggle of the rope!
 
well ive got to get my horse who is bad to load to the vets on wednesday, maybe ill give those cowboy methods a go, i think Marley would definitely oblige.....dont you?
 
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