Ask a Parelli student....no holds barred....you asked, I giveth.

Echo Bravo said:
But when you bought traditional trained horse.1) would you start to retrain Parrellie style or 2) leave well alone??
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I train EVERY horse to be what "I" want it to be, regardless of where it came from. But I take the unwanted, misunderstood, starved, beaten and left for dead. I take one mans trash and turn it into MY treasure. and Pat and Linda are not the only ones I have to thank for that, but they are responsible for most of it! :cool:
 
Hi TnC. I would just like to say that although I'm 'only' the mum of a horsey daughter, I've followed this thread with interest. I think this has been extremely brave of you to be this open, and to give us all the chance to understand things from your side of the fence. Please keep up the what is undoubtedly good work, and not let anyone put you off.
Before anyone jumps on me, by good work I mean this thread....I'm not in a position to comment on the rights or wrongs of parelli.
 
tongue~n~cheek said:
I train EVERY horse to be what "I" want it to be, regardless of where it came from. But I take the unwanted, misunderstood, starved, beaten and left for dead. I take one mans trash and turn it into MY treasure. and Pat and Linda are not the only ones I have to thank for that, but they are responsible for most of it! :cool:
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Ha ha!!! brilliant!!!!
 
TiC, I think it's good that you train your horses your way, and how you want them. That's what I'm doing with my youngster (hopefully), but using other methods. There can be no right or wrong way, if it's done with total love and kindness, time and patience. And your own horse ends up how YOU want it to be. The bottom line is that if I ever did sell Shy (which I won't), the new owner would have to assess his schooling and see if it fits in with theirs ?

Tbh, from what I've read on this post, I think you may know a lot more than you - know - who. I hope that isn't an insult btw. sm x
 
tongue~n~cheek said:
here we have someone who has listened to a well reasoned explanation, and nicely responded with

"ok that's good for you, but it's not the way for me"

this should be good enough. other people are reasonable, and capable of listening and making up thier own minds. this is where all too often the 'well then you dont understand" gets tossed into the mix.
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You, tongue~n~cheek, are a rare jewel. Your patience, good humor and tact are just amazing and I really think Pat and Linda should be searching you out and hiring you at top dollar to be their goodwill ambassador.

Hat's off. I know I for one would probably have cyber-garotted someone by now! :o
 
baymareb said:
You, tongue~n~cheek, are a rare jewel. Your patience, good humor and tact are just amazing and I really think Pat and Linda should be searching you out and hiring you at top dollar to be their goodwill ambassador.

Hat's off. I know I for one would probably have cyber-garotted someone by now! :o
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My emotional fitness is parilously close to the cliff at them moment. I need a deep breath and cigarette before you all see my short commings.

thank you for your kind words.

yet there seems to be little notice in the parelli camp about the good coming from this and based on a post I just read over there, a few seriously need to see this. I almost lost my breakfast. I nearly responded as tongue~n~cheek just to put this jacka$$ in his place. caring nothing of my identiy being revealed.

but instead i watched one of my videos of my horse to remind me of what is most important to me. my horses.:cool:
 
Echo Bravo said:
So you trust none but your way. Do you every sell on your horses and what do you do if they treat your castoffs differant than you had trained them
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I dont feel the first part of this is in the best spirit, if I am wrong I appologise.

I want my horses to respond to my cues, the way i want them to respond.

all of my horses have gone on to traditional homes, and are happy and well loved. that is my main concerne, not the method in which they will be trained. as long as they are not abused I care not what they do. I screen very carefully to find a good match and someone that i feel will always put the horses needs first.:cool:
 
Thanks for your reply tongue in cheek.

Yes you are correct I expressed and interest in joining Parelli back in '01 as I did believe they had a good honest agenda of trying to improve levels of horsemanship helping horses and owners, I was told I needed to have been assessed to level 3.

So I got myself a level 3 pack and submitted this assessment to parelli in the USA which was passed.

I made the decided not to join them as there were financial commitments, restrictions, loyalty issues and other general politics that really put me off.

To sum it up I was told I had to adjust my attitude.

The quality of these new instructors is a huge worry, it does not take much bad press to give people an air of doubt for most when it comes to NH (parelli in particular).

I know the original program contained masses of information but now its spread out and watered down so students have to buy more packs and dvds to get anywhere close to as much info -levels, patterns success series,liberty & horse behavior, all this info was all contained in just the levels pack.

Its clear that now the only agenda parelli have now is making mega amounts of money by getting their brand spread as widely as possible by these lower quality instructors who can afford approx £10000 for a 4 week course followed by a 1 week classroom instructor course. (I don't mean any offence to people who have done this as they were led to believe having a parelli logo by their name actually has some significance in the equine world when in reality it counts for nothing).

I have learned and will continue to do so from talented classical and modern dressage teachers, show jumping teachers, vaquero horsemen and many more and never been sold over priced dvds or had second rate tuition.

Now parelli is nothing more than a money making machine misleading many individuals.

Rant over!! Thanks TnC for your interesting feedback on all the questions raised;););)
 
devon eventing girl said:
Hi Tongue n Cheek,

Are you a Parelli instructor or staff member???

I study NH as well as event and try to learn from the best available (parelli or other)
I would love to know what happens to cause all the really Talented horsemen to leave the Parelli organisation?

I studied with Honza, Dave Stuart-who I understand was Pats right hand man,
James Roberts- who is still with Parelli and Garry Stevens who started my challenging now 5yo eventer for me(I know he was teaching at stoneleigh as a 2* but now seems to have left also?).

Does Pat not want very talented horsemen like these as part of the Parelli organisation??
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First no I am not. not affiliated in any way other than that of being a student.

We all would love to know that, BTW. I suspect those close to them know the true reason. but I think they are otherwise tight lipped about it.

I have no idea if they chose to leave, were asked to leave, or it was mutual. I am sure each person has thier own reasons, when they do. Also know Pat is serious about instructors only teaching the program and what they are licenced to teach. for reasons I stated in an earlier post. he is guaranteing me that if I want parelli help,and I pay for one of his instructors, that parelli help is all i will get, at the level that they are quaified to teach. if anyone is doing otherwise, they can have thier cert yanked. I know of one in particular who did. but I also think that people are no different than chicks, some want to spread thier wings and fly on thier own wind.:cool:
 
Just a comment on something I saw posted in response to the YouTube statement by PP. Someone who was obviously a Parelli supporter posted that the negative response to the whole Catwalk thing showed that traditional trainers were frightened by the success of the Parellis and that this was a good thing as the goal was to essentially drive out anyone but Parelli practitioners and "change the world" for the good of the horse.

I thought it was rather a sad commentary. I don't follow any one training method - as I've said before, I pick and choose the things that make sense to me from many people and methods - but even if I did, I don't think I'd want to eradicate other people's choices or ideas.

My personal opinion is that the more options we have to choose from, the better off we are and the more likely we are to find someone or something that works for us.

I have no idea if the above is a common viewpoint of Parelli followers - just thought it was very sad and narrow-minded to see it posted.
 
baymareb said:
Just a comment on something I saw posted in response to the YouTube statement by PP. Someone who was obviously a Parelli supporter posted that the negative response to the whole Catwalk thing showed that traditional trainers were frightened by the success of the Parellis and that this was a good thing as the goal was to essentially drive out anyone but Parelli practitioners and "change the world" for the good of the horse.

I thought it was rather a sad commentary. I don't follow any one training method - as I've said before, I pick and choose the things that make sense to me from many people and methods - but even if I did, I don't think I'd want to eradicate other people's choices or ideas.

My personal opinion is that the more options we have to choose from, the better off we are and the more likely we are to find someone or something that works for us.

I have no idea if the above is a common viewpoint of Parelli followers - just thought it was very sad and narrow-minded to see it posted.
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WTF, first i have heard, and it makes me want to puke.

there are people who lie and say they are parelli to say stuff like that. my cat can create a youtube acount for petes sake.

if it is true or real, they are morons for thinking it is even posible. what bafoons.
 
i recieved a few pms regarding my post of being a bit peeved. dont worry the only thing that will stop me from this is pure exhaustion.

i am just really pissed. delete delete.... am leaving to take my mom to the movies for her birthday, I will be back probably after you all are in bed.

sweet dreams:cool:
 
thank you for all your support, really, bottom of my heart, thank you!

I also am getting some pms dying to know who I am. I only trusted one person with my identity, they have not failed me. and that person was not a parelli person:cool:

but if you think you know, tell me, I am dying to know if you are right!

much love

TNC
 
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baymareb said:
Just a comment on something I saw posted in response to the YouTube statement by PP. Someone who was obviously a Parelli supporter posted that the negative response to the whole Catwalk thing showed that traditional trainers were frightened by the success of the Parellis and that this was a good thing as the goal was to essentially drive out anyone but Parelli practitioners and "change the world" for the good of the horse.

I thought it was rather a sad commentary. I don't follow any one training method - as I've said before, I pick and choose the things that make sense to me from many people and methods - but even if I did, I don't think I'd want to eradicate other people's choices or ideas.

My personal opinion is that the more options we have to choose from, the better off we are and the more likely we are to find someone or something that works for us.

I have no idea if the above is a common viewpoint of Parelli followers - just thought it was very sad and narrow-minded to see it posted.
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What TnC said and more, that is not a view I have every come accross, not even with the purests, who can get up my nose.
Sorry TnC for butting in again but sometimes I can't sit by.
Keep up the good work, I've been sending genuine questioners over here from another thread as I don't have either your enthusiasm or speed for typing as you do :)
 
thanks pippin.

I hope this goes without saying, but if you think you know who I am and want to share, please do so via PM. if you are wrong, and call out the wrong name that is not fair to the other student who may want this kind of 'er um
noteriety:eek:
 
tongue~n~cheek said:
thanks pippin.

I hope this goes without saying, but if you think you know who I am and want to share, please do so via PM. if you are wrong, and call out the wrong name that is not fair to the other student who may want this kind of 'er um
noteriety:eek:
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that was suppose to be may NOT want this kind of........ooops:cool:
 
When you think of the greats who left Parelli, don't forget Philip Nye, the man who trained Magic. (Whatever may be said now, Philip trained Magic, not Pat, and there is video evidence to prove that).
I think a lot of them left because they needed the freedom to teach in the way they wanted. The original Parelli instructors didn't work to such a strict set of rules, and completed the tasks their way, which they passed on to their students. These great horsemen and women couldn't fit into the more rigid guidelines set on how the programme was delivered. (Parelli needed to know their programme was being delivered the same way by all, and it wasn't you see).
Others left because of the financial strain of being an instructor, and the rather demanding schedules of training camps and meetings. But I guess most left for a combination of those reasons.
 
This is one of my favourite threads at the moment as I am learning a lot and we all seem to be pretty friendly (long may it last) :)

I felt very sad about some of TnC's comments. From her posts she is actually someone that if I was going to learn any Parelli from an instructor, she would be the type of instructor I would want :) it just saddens me so much that she has had bad experiences in the past posting online and that she could no longer teach dressage if she was a Parelli instructor. I have seen my Parelli friends do some really cool in hand work with their horses which to be honest I would love to learn - but not 100% Parelli style - I would want the instructor to adapt it to a more of a classical dressage slant. However, many of my friends horses ridden work is - well - to be blunt, awful. Any of my youngsters under saddle for a few weeks would be more responsive and light on the aids and have a greater understanding of them than many of these horses under saddle for years :(

So this is another question for T n C. Do you think Parelli is (a) more greared to inhand work and (b) trail riding in terms of the ridden work? Most of the Parelli horses I have seen ridden are plain unbalanced in a school. They cannot really canter one full 20m circle without breaking into trot etc. I understand not everyone wants to do dressage and most Parelli horses are ridden in a rope halter, but balance is balance. I also know perhaps the horses I have seen are unrepresentative of Parelli horses as a whole so it may be I have just been very unlucky.

I also want to say that I loved the video of the little girl and her pony :) That really embodies for me all that horsemanship should be. A trusting relationship with both parties (horse and rider) having fun
 
Begining to realise after 40 years of owning and breeding horses, I know nothing, because it's not the Parellie Way. Shall I have my horses shot:confused::confused:As they aren't Savvy and I'm definately not Savvy, is there no end in sight:eek::eek::eek:Shall go and sit in a darkened stable with said horses:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Tinypony said:
When you think of the greats who left Parelli, don't forget Philip Nye, the man who trained Magic. (Whatever may be said now, Philip trained Magic, not Pat, and there is video evidence to prove that).
I think a lot of them left because they needed the freedom to teach in the way they wanted. The original Parelli instructors didn't work to such a strict set of rules, and completed the tasks their way, which they passed on to their students. These great horsemen and women couldn't fit into the more rigid guidelines set on how the programme was delivered. (Parelli needed to know their programme was being delivered the same way by all, and it wasn't you see).
Others left because of the financial strain of being an instructor, and the rather demanding schedules of training camps and meetings. But I guess most left for a combination of those reasons.
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I think it is perfectly natural (no pun intended) for people to want to go their separate ways, and who can blame any one, I too would want to one day have my own 'empire' and not be confined to only towing the rope. I don't know anything about any of the splits as I have not been a member for that long, but maybe it was the last straw that breaks the camels back, and a divide begins, who does not want to be their own master, were what happen is your choice, spreading your own wings not riding on the back of others.
I think it's whats called freedom.
 
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I agree pippinpie, I think they wanted freedom. Possibly not in order to have their own "empire", but just to be able to do things the way they wanted.
Hollycat, I hope TIC doesn't mind me chipping in re your post. As an ex Parelli student, this is how I see it anyway. In Parelli you work up your levels, when I was in it there were only 3 levels assessed, Level 1 was Partnership, Level 2 was Harmony and Level 3 was Finesse. The majority of students didn't ever complete Level 2 (which may be one reason why they have re-jigged the levels, to encourage people more). That wasn't because they weren't capable of completing Level 2, maybe they got what they wanted out of the system, or found a level that they were happy at. In fact, the highest percentage of students vanished after they passed Level 1.
Anyhow, the problem with this was that the horses weren't really asked for true collection until they reached the Finesse stage. You didn't put the bridle back on until Level 2, and then only when you had some "soft feel" when riding in your halter. Just as in conventional stuff, a lot of people confused "soft feel" with the shape of the head and neck, and didn't connect it with lifted withers, working from behind and all that stuff. And in any case, when you were riding using just a carrot stick for guidance, or "freestyle" with casual reins, you weren't concentrating on weight and balance, and your horse ended up dumped on the forehand. (I'm talking in past tense, but from what I have observed this is all still the case).
OK, so what happens if someone finds themselves perfectly happy somewhere into Level 2, proud to be riding in the halter, and to be able to ride with no bridle, and loving the free feeling they get from "freestyle"? And as a result, they decide they'll stick with that and just be a happy Parelli person hacking about and playing with their horse... Well, if they aren't aware of what is going on with their horse anatomically, and so do nothing to correct it, they end up with an unbalanced horse that works mostly on the forehand and, well you know how that looks. Does that sound familiar?
This is just how the programme works. The idea is to progress through the programme as quickly as possible, refining how you and your horse work as you go. (I believe Level 1 should take no more than 2 months? Most hang around there much longer than that). This is not the only way an "nh" style of trainer would work. I know of others that concentrate on balance and true soft feel from day 1. With or without a bit incidentally, because, contrary to what many believe, it is possible to have true collection without a bit. It just takes a bit of work, but then most stuff with horses takes a bit of work, doesn't it?
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tongue~n~cheek said:
"MY" completely lame reasons?

I am looking around and confused to where I am? HMMMMM

If you have truly read all of THIS thread, up to this point on page 16 and still have that opinion of ME, than who am I to try to change your mind?:cool:
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No you are right - I didn't read all of your postings because I had read enough, I don't need to hear from anyone who believes that the best way to put a bridle on a horse is to tie its leg up with a rope, you could never in a million years convince me or thousands of other very experienced horse owners any different. I stick by my original thoughts of Parelli - if you are prepared to defend this 'showmans' public humiliation of that poor horse then so be it - but please do not patronise me or the majority of the equine world who have enough sense to see him and his wife for what they are - no more than circus horse trainers with no respect for horses whatsoever! Now - I'll leave you to your few moments of fame, here anonymous on a forum - following in the footsteps of your 'leader', praying on those with less experience than yourself and leave you to can a few bucks from other people's misfortunes! I hope that by next weeks edition of H&H things may look a little different for the Pratelli's. :p
 
pippinpie said:
What TnC said and more, that is not a view I have every come accross, not even with the purests, who can get up my nose.
Sorry TnC for butting in again but sometimes I can't sit by.
Keep up the good work, I've been sending genuine questioners over here from another thread as I don't have either your enthusiasm or speed for typing as you do :)
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Ditto.
A lot of Parrelli people are worried about comming on the H&H forum because of the treatment they get.I tend to just post the odd sentance but I don't have the words, energy,or confidence to go further.
I don't know or care who you are I'm just pleased you can write better than I can
 
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