Baby fox...

[severnmiles]

"Leave nature to it's own devices. It knows best"
One of the best things I have read since finding this forum.

Yes and in some cases that applies, in others it no longer works because of humans. Gone are the days of foxes, pigs, deer controlling their numbers through starvation because man and his waste now provides plentiful food for all in his modern way of life. Hence the need for culling.

 

[wrighty]

"because man and his waste now provides plentiful food for all in his modern way of life. Hence the need for culling."

I think you've started a totaly new thread but you might have got it the wrong way round.

I agree that the "modern way of life" is causing a problem but you can't blaim the animals for it.
Get humans to sort them selves out and reduce the waste they produce so there won't be as much food to the so called vermin. I live in a caravan near a farm, even though the farm is overrun by rats because of the way things are stored I have never had a single rat near my place because I don't produce a lot of waste, and the waste I do have is stored securely until it is taken away. (In the last 4 weeks I have produced 1 black bag of un-recyclable material)

 

[wurzel]

What and how do they store badly?

I get rats in my straw. I guess it is my fault!

 

[Sidesaddle]

I live in a caravan near a farm

A caravan with internet access. How fabbo!

 

[severnmiles]

Pests will still have an abundance in the form of livestock. I find it bizarre that an animal lover such as yourself condemns humane culling yet would be prepared for man to 'sort itself out' and let nature starve - a cruel death i'm sure we will both agree.

 

[wrighty]

A caravan with internet access. How fabbo!
NO, not at home at the moment but I could get it sorted, I'm sure BT will give me advice if I need it.

"Nature starving" is natural, natural selection breeds stronger animals, you may see this as cruel but it's the way things are in the wild.

"I get rats in my straw. I guess it is my fault!"
Well it surely isn't the rat's fault.

 

[wurzel]

"Well it surely isn't the rat's fault. "


Rats with rights with no responsibilities !!!

Don't think so.

I am afraid they have to die.

 

[wrighty]

Not many animlas have responsibilites, do we kill them all?

We could be here for hours on this one.

 

[wurzel]

No. Most animals don't damage my straw.

Stoats for example.

 

[Spot_the_Risk]

Defo kill it. Lost six chickens last week (the fox somehow got into the pen). Saw five cubs and the vixen the night before. The fox population is waning near our chickens now.

As an added bonus, the afterbirth from the foal caught us a fox in the trap very quickly.

 

[Daisychain]

Throw a fox cub into the hounds! Your sick, there is some things in life you can justify, but that is just a warped mind, no different to throwing a puppy in, it just makes you look like your in it for the bloodlust and i thought it was about humanely killing foxes for pest control, makes you realise why there is so many antis. Everything has a right to be killed in a dignified maner, dont talk to me about pest control...

 

[Tinkerbee]

well, why wait till its an adult, is it better to be killed by hounds when fully grown? why?

 

[southgate1975]

I agree, if the aim of foxhunting is to reduce / control / fox numbers, then surely if you've got one in your hands it's easier and more cost-effective to just kill it there an then rather than saddle a horse, spend a lot of money, and go chasing after it, or going to a lot of time and trouble trying to shoot it.

 

[Tinkerbee]

yup, exactly my point. We keep hens/geese all sorts of poultry, and we have active fox burrows on our land.
ONe year we got 3 cubs in them, much easier for the terriers to kill them than the hassle of adults.

 

[Daisychain]

Dont disagree if it has to be killed, but that is a truly terrifiying way to be killed, why would you want to kill it like that? I thought hunting was to get rid of the sick injured etc, with at least them having a chance to get away... That is a sport, not just throwing a baby in. You should never give anything undue stress, when it is not necessary, you would have done well to have lived back with the romans if thats your mentality, would you put your dog to sleep like that? its no different, foxes are highly intelligent. Unlike yourself as you stated you were confused.

 

[southgate1975]

"That is a sport"

Half the time the justifications I've read about hunting said 'it's not a sport, it's to deal with problem foxes'.

 

[Daisychain]

I am not against hunting for pest control, im not keen on the blood thirsty lot.. its so primitive. Its just easier to justify by saying its about pest control to those sickos..

 

[Tinkerbee]

yeah sorry to dissappoint you but, yeah pretty barbaric over here
drowning unwanted kittens...accidently shooting the cat....all sorts :smirk:

 

[Daisychain]

You got your quote right the Numpty bit... I rest my case.

 

[Cullohill]

well i did what i thought was right at the time and took it to a rescue centre - we all make decisions on what we think best and i haven't the stomach for cold blooded killing. I wish i could have left things to nature but not sure nature knows about the A515 and all the vehicles that fly up and down it and the dogs that humans keep as pets and humans in general really - yes maybe i did interfere with nature and maybe i should had just left it but selfishly some may say i didn't really want dead fox cub on my doorstep be it by car on the raod or one of my dogs.

At the rescue centre, they were happy to bring it up and they will realease it i assume when its ready - it may not survive when relaised but i feel i did the right thing.

And for all the people that think i should have killed it here are some photos for you to imagine which way would have been best.....

 

[AmyMay]

Ah, that's just great. Nice to hear that some of us are a little sympathetic to the plight of a lost 'baby'. (And yes all, I do hunt).

Can't see the photo - cos you can't post photo's here......

How about in the PG??

 

[Cullohill]

wondered why it wouldn't work!! think i will put them in PG it may cause some excitment for today!!! do you think i should just put them in and not explain story??

 

[AmyMay]

Pop it in and just explain that you found it and took it the sanctuary.

Off I toddle to the PG.

 

[southgate1975]

You know, I've been browsing this thread for a couple of days and it gives me with so much hope.

I've argued with pro-hunt contributors for a long long time; very often they say that hunting is the most effective means of controlling this particular pest.

Well I'm not going to argue about that right now.

My sense of logic dictates that if the fox is such a big pest that you need to get a group of people and dogs together in order to chase after it to kill it, then it makes much better sense, if you come across a fox such as this one, to kill it straight away.

But hardly anyone seems to want to do that, even the hardened hunters.

And this is a good thing.

Because as humans we seem to have an innate instinct to care for, protect and nurture those that are small, weak, and helpless.
No doubt this springs from the instinct to protect our own young children, but evidently it's such a strong instinct that it spills over to encompass other animals too.

And overall, I think that's a good thing.

Joy !

 

[AmyMay]

Thanks god - some sense!

 

[southgate1975]

I must be having a good day ! Apart from my spelling and grammar.....

 

[AmyMay]

I must be having a good day ! Apart from my spelling and grammar.....

Bit like me then .......

 

[severnmiles]

Daisychain, I'm not saying chuck it to the hounds but seriously if it was chucked to the hounds it would be a gonner in seconds...so hardly cruel or inhumane.

 

[southgate1975]

OK, point taken. But would you do it ?

 

[Tinkerbee]

Yes.
(i know you were asking SM but thought id butt in )
have done it. well, they were terriers and not hounds, but same difference