badminton 3DE - non OT comments

I thought the change from the big bold tracks to the more turning technical ones, was because although we a love seeing the horses fly over the huge scary fences. When it went wrong, it went wrong very badly indeed, and sometimes didn't end well for either horse or rider. Hence we won't see a return to that?
 
Alibear said:
I thought the change from the big bold tracks to the more turning technical ones, was because although we a love seeing the horses fly over the huge scary fences. When it went wrong, it went wrong very badly indeed, and sometimes didn't end well for either horse or rider. Hence we won't see a return to that?
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That's true. I noticed that a lot of the fences were constructed of narrow poles, very easy for the horse to catch a leg
 
be positive said:
I don't think Charisma jumped at GP, he was an event horse all the time he was with MT although MT jumped at the Olympics as well as eventing it was on another horse.
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You're right of course, I got muddled up! Any others do we think, or was Figjam in a league of his own??
 
BBP said:
You're right of course, I got muddled up! Any others do we think, or was Figjam in a league of his own??
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It doesn’t look like Fig Jam (I don’t know of the horse) ever completed a 4* event (not dissing it as an achievement to qualify and start). There wasn’t an FEI SJ record for the horse either from what I can tell.
 
Alibear said:
I thought the change from the big bold tracks to the more turning technical ones, was because although we a love seeing the horses fly over the huge scary fences. When it went wrong, it went wrong very badly indeed, and sometimes didn't end well for either horse or rider. Hence we won't see a return to that?
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The accuracy courses are a lot physically safer but perhaps more mentally tiring.

Its much better for the riders' health now that they don't let them keep getting up after falls. I read Mark Todd's book where he described how they used to hide concussions from the officials. I can understand why they'd want to get back on again but more is known about concussion now. In the past it was considered that if you didn't start vomitting or lose consciousness it wasn't that big of a deal.
 
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Lovely to see those old clips. I remember half those fences. I always hated the bank fence (ski jump?). There were a lot of bounces.

Nowadays I hate the final fence at Badminton - I don't like seeing a tired horse having to finish on a fairly tight curve to a jump. I'd much rather see a straight line.
 
mule said:
The accuracy courses are a lot physically safer but perhaps more mentally tiring.

Its much better for the riders' health now that they don't let them keep getting up after falls. I read Mark Todd's book where he described how they used to hide concussions from the officials. I can understand why they'd want to get back on again but more is known about concussion now. In the past it was considered that if you didn't start vomitting or lose consciousness it wasn't that big of a deal.
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Which is why it's scary that BRC (who rely on often inexperienced fence judges) still allow riders to get back on when no other body does!
 
Honey08 said:
Lovely to see those old clips. I remember half those fences. I always hated the bank fence (ski jump?). There were a lot of bounces.

Nowadays I hate the final fence at Badminton - I don't like seeing a tired horse having to finish on a fairly tight curve to a jump. I'd much rather see a straight line.
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I think it is intended to balance them on the corner.

BRC= british riding clubs.
 
ihatework said:
It doesn’t look like Fig Jam (I don’t know of the horse) ever completed a 4* event (not dissing it as an achievement to qualify and start). There wasn’t an FEI SJ record for the horse either from what I can tell.
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Haha, I never said they did well! No, they had a lot of bad luck sadly. Fell at lake at Badminton on first go, tripped up at Burghley and sent rider to hospital, and then completed Badminton XC on second attempt (the year the ground was like concrete) with 14 time faults XC and zero jumping penalties, but did not go forwards to the SJ. Then retired back to New Zealand. But i still think its cool he got round Badminton XC clear having been SJ in NW at Grand Prix level a few years before.
 
mule said:
The accuracy courses are a lot physically safer but perhaps more mentally tiring.

Its much better for the riders' health now that they don't let them keep getting up after falls. I read Mark Todd's book where he described how they used to hide concussions from the officials. I can understand why they'd want to get back on again but more is known about concussion now. In the past it was considered that if you didn't start vomitting or lose consciousness it wasn't that big of a deal.
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That fall where the rider whacked her head on the rail in the water in the Gawler vid made ME feel sick :(
 
BBP said:
Haha, I never said they did well! No, they had a lot of bad luck sadly. Fell at lake at Badminton on first go, tripped up at Burghley and sent rider to hospital, and then completed Badminton XC on second attempt (the year the ground was like concrete) with 14 time faults XC and zero jumping penalties, but did not go forwards to the SJ. Then retired back to New Zealand. But i still think its cool he got round Badminton XC clear having been SJ in NW at Grand Prix level a few years before.
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This FIG JAM? https://data.fei.org/Horse/Performance.aspx?p=4D520880AAC7C0B8344DB02B3F3052C7 There's no FEI SJ results at all.
 
mule said:
The accuracy courses are a lot physically safer but perhaps more mentally tiring.

Its much better for the riders' health now that they don't let them keep getting up after falls. I read Mark Todd's book where he described how they used to hide concussions from the officials. I can understand why they'd want to get back on again but more is known about concussion now. In the past it was considered that if you didn't start vomitting or lose consciousness it wasn't that big of a deal.
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And in Princess Anne's book she tells of a fall where back at the stables she couldn't remember how she got back after the fall - she'd remounted and completed the course! She has no memory of the XC at all!

I think it was at Kiev for the 1973 European championships
 
ester said:
I think it is intended to balance them on the corner.

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Yes, it just doesn't look like it does and I much prefer the finishes at other events on a straight line. To me, the Badminton finish is more for the crowd's benefit.


Do people think we just remember the little winning horses because it always gets referred to, or there are genuinely more small winners at 4*?
 
My apologies, FigJam 'only' jumped at 1.45m. The kiwis refer to this as Horse Grand Prix so I did not realise there was a difference, as far as I was aware he was jumping Grand Prix in NZ.
 
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BBP said:
That's the one - although I don't see why people want to pick apart a brilliant horse, I never said he SJ at FEI grand prix. He jumped what the NZ's call Horse Grand Prix's which having googled appear to be 1.40-1.45 rather than 1.60. So i sincerely apologise for thinking my lovely horse was amazing where apparently he is just your average nag who only jumped 1.45 and round Badminton.
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So at badminton is 1.30 I think jumping, and Michael Jung takes his horses jumping at 1.40 courses I think.
Not debating about your horse who’s obviously not an ordinary nag! Were you the rider? User name matches the fei name :)

I think it’s pretty common now that top level eventers will take their horses pure jumping at 1.40 heights tbh, although my friends horse was junior/YR event team and is now pure jumping and in fact is a puissance specialist, having won at quite a few major shows!
 
Sorry, I deleted my first comment as I realised it was very snappy. I'm a bit defensive of him as he was such a dude and I thought he was pretty unique, but now at 1.40 I realise its not so unusual. No, sadly not me riding, I was just his groom in NZ and again over here for a little (and I did technically own him for about 24 hours!). He was the most lovely horse, quite reserved in himself but such a gent to ride, he even made me look good.
 
Lovely to see Murphy again - must have been some adrenalin ride but Ian Stark still had time to praise him for his efforts several times!

ETA - I seem to remember Mike Tucker saying "oh my word he's bounced it" somewhere where there was supposed to be a stride between fences. No idea where or when but it has remained in my head!
 
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moleskinsmum said:
Lovely to see Murphy again - must have been some adrenalin ride but Ian Stark still had time to praise him for his efforts several times!

ETA - I seem to remember Mike Tucker saying "oh my word he's bounced it" somewhere where there was supposed to be a stride between fences. No idea where or when but it has remained in my head!
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I read an article recently (on either E-venting or Eventing Nation i think) about people using the phrase "took a stride out" and how rare it is for a horse to genuinely take a stride out. Murphy was one of the few examples of a horse genuinely taking a stride out! He was both bonkers and brilliant- Ian Stark must have had nerves of steel!
 
moleskinsmum said:
Lovely to see Murphy again - must have been some adrenalin ride but Ian Stark still had time to praise him for his efforts several times!

ETA - I seem to remember Mike Tucker saying "oh my word he's bounced it" somewhere where there was supposed to be a stride between fences. No idea where or when but it has remained in my head!
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Murphy bounced through the Luckington lane crossing, I think that was it, shown in the video link earlier or if not that one the next one that came up, I watched both so am unsure which it was but it was definitely on one, will have to watch again now to check. 2.50 on the link, don't think it was LL but it was a road crossing.
 
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Kat said:
I read an article recently (on either E-venting or Eventing Nation i think) about people using the phrase "took a stride out" and how rare it is for a horse to genuinely take a stride out. Murphy was one of the few examples of a horse genuinely taking a stride out! He was both bonkers and brilliant- Ian Stark must have had nerves of steel!
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I can say "I was there". Amazing to watch. Part of the old course which doesn't get used now. Use to cross the Luckington Lane twice and do the entre walk steeplechase type fences before they jumped Tom Smith's Walls. Murphy was an absolute star who sticks in my mind even after all that time.
 
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Im curious if anyone can tell me what other horses have jumped round Badminton/Burghley and have also SJ at Grand Prix? I guess Charisma is one? Plus my friends lovely horse that I groomed for, Figjam, who sadly passed away this year. Does anyone know any others? (In Figjams case he went from eventing to Grand Prix SJ successfully and then back to eventing where he made it to Badminton twice (tipped up in the lake once!) and Burghley once)
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Did Merilly a Monarch with Annelli Drummond Hay? Way back in the early 60s I think.

ETA - I was right!! https://www.badminton-horse.co.uk/horses-riders/past-winners-at-badminton/
 
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