Badminton XC day

As an aside: (Beware! production whinge approaching ... *blows whistle and clears the course*)

I think the quality of the coverage was WAY lower than in previous years: so many fences not covered by any camera, let alone a good shot of them ... no overheads, no quad-bike follow shots, very few jib arms ... no graphics showing the overall park layout and conveying the sheer size and speed of the thing ... no graphics of the different routes available at each fence ...

The positioning of the few cameras they DID have gave no idea of the width of the fences, nor the difficulties. Showing a corner from the front may let you know if the horse jumped cleanly, but it looked at bit 'meh'.

If you were new to the sport, or new to Badminton, I think it would have left you wondering what all the fuss was about!

The editing was also strange: at one point, we heard the live commentator say that one of the French girls had had a fall but both she had her horse were up and ok ... but we were still watching her approach the fence before that fall.

The mixing of the sound was careless too: the live feed from some fences was often left so loud, the commentators couldn't be heard over it.

Clare B and the commentators (even Mr T ;) ) did their usual fab job and the crews doing the interviews worked as hard as ever ... but.

I noticed that there was an independent production company credit at the end and have been left assuming it went to the cheapest bidder.

A shame.

It's one of the world's greatest equestrian tests; one of the very few to be televised and the Beeb should have treated it as such.
 
Mrs B said:
As an aside: (Beware! production whinge approaching ... *blows whistle and clears the course*)

I think the quality of the coverage was WAY lower than in previous years: so many fences not covered by any camera, let alone a good shot of them ... no overheads, no quad-bike follow shots, very few jib arms ... no graphics showing the overall park layout and conveying the sheer size and speed of the thing ... no graphics of the different routes available at each fence ...

The positioning of the few cameras they DID have gave no idea of the width of the fences, nor the difficulties. Showing a corner from the front may let you know if the horse jumped cleanly, but it looked at bit 'meh'.

If you were new to the sport, or new to Badminton, I think it would have left you wondering what all the fuss was about!

The editing was also strange: at one point, we heard the live commentator say that one of the French girls had had a fall but both she had her horse were up and ok ... but we were still watching her approach the fence before that fall.

The mixing of the sound was careless too: the live feed from some fences was often left so loud, the commentators couldn't be heard over it.

Clare B and the commentators (even Mr T ;) ) did their usual fab job and the crews doing the interviews worked as hard as ever ... but.

I noticed that there was an independent production company credit at the end and have been left assuming it went to the cheapest bidder.

A shame.

It's one of the world's greatest equestrian tests; one of the very few to be televised and the Beeb should have treated it as such.
Click to expand...

Possibly I'm very unobservant, but I noticed none of the above so I think it would have been fine for any non-horsey people watching. I really enjoyed the hour and a half I watched (which, ironically given the another complaint I read, seemed to feature mostly Irish riders :p).
 
mypegasus said:
Just been looking at the movement from dressage placings to placings after cross country.

First number is place after cross country

Second number is place after dressage

Third number is either + (moved up) or - (moved down) or 0 (not moved)

1 2 +1
2 9 +7
3 =5 +2
4 34 +30
5 14 +9
6 =20 +14
7 47 +40
8 =18 +10
9 13 +4
10 12 +2
11 =51 +40
12 =67 +55
13 10 -3
14 30 +16
15 64 +49
16 =18 +2
17 =5 -12
18 75 +57
19 1 -18
20 57 +37
21 22 +1
23 41 +18
24 =27 +3
25 3 -22
26 24 -2
27 =42 +15
28 63 +35
29 60 +31
30 74 +44
31 73 +42
32 76 +44
33 82 +49
34 16 -18
35 56 +21
36 7 -29
37 23 -14
38 =38 0
39 26 -13
40 11 -29
41 =27 -14
42 =67 +25
43 44 +1
45 80 +35
46 79 +33
47 53 +6
48 31 -17
49 61 +12

The biggest mover was Joseph Murphy with Sportsfield Othello who moved up 57 places.
Click to expand...

Great stats! would be interesting to compare to 2014 if you have it? That year was really wet and caused carnage with people moving up 10's of places after XC!

It was tense watching and definitely not a Dressage competition this year, thats for sure!! I don't think the time was impossible as Michal and Tim showed with real class rounds and many of those with very few time faults took at least one of the longer alternatives.

Tomorrow will be very interesting! Love how someone also picked up on the Brit v German answer when asked about tomorrows showjumping!
 
HashRouge said:
Possibly I'm very unobservant, but I noticed none of the above so I think it would have been fine for any non-horsey people watching. I really enjoyed the hour and a half I watched (which, ironically given the another complaint I read, seemed to feature mostly Irish riders :p).
Click to expand...

Oh, it's just me being grumpy because it's my working world ... and it's usually done so much better!
 
mypegasus said:
Alec

The ground jury are able to stop a horse on course if they are concerned for its welfare. From the grass roots of the sport to the top level. I'm not sure whether it has ever been used in anger at any event.

Perhaps the FEI need to look into the rules and issue clearer guidelines? Who knows?

…….. .
Click to expand...

I'll admit that I would have a degree of sympathy with the person who's charged with pressing the button. Presumably, those horses and riders who've travelled here from the US will have spent a vast sum of money to do so, and though it doesn't justify the girl's conduct, it must be in the mind of those making the decision. It's also a subjective point and had she cleared the final fence or at least shown concern for her horse, there probably wouldn't be the (justified) internet condemnation.

I wonder if one day there will be a selection process based on the fitness levels of the competitors at previous events. It may be a thought, for the future.

Alec.
 
I actually preferred it without quad shots of horses just galloping, and the alternative routes being mapped out, they rarely make much sense and don't generally get used as 'textbook' as the diagrams would have you make out!

On the stats (thanks pegasus!) I think it is really good that apart from Elisa's fall after there were only two issues at the gates- where they seemed to think there would be more and none past that point so generally horses had a nice finish.
 
Ok so having found my old posts from Badminton 2014 - here's the various breakdowns from that year:





Completions = 35

Clear = 22
1 refusal completed = 7
2 refusals completed = 4
Frangible pin breakage completed = 2

Retirements = 18

Retired = 3
1 refusal retired = 10
2 refusals retired = 5

Eliminations = 25

3 refusals eliminated = 3
1 refusal + rider fall eliminated = 3
Horse fall eliminated = 7
Rider fall eliminated = 7
2 refusals + rider fall eliminated = 1
Frangible pin breakage + refusal + rider fall eliminated = 1
Technical eliminations (eq wrong side of flag, pulled up by ground jury) = 3
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...-Badminton-thread!/page73#OwbcmoZsGx6KlVlV.99





Fence 1 - no problems
Fence 2 - no problems
Fence 3 - 1 refusal + retirement x1
Fence 4 - no problems
Fence 5 - 1 refusal x 2, 2 refusals + rider fall x 1, retirement x 1, 1 refusal + retirement x 1
Fence 6 - no problems
Fence 7 - frangible pin breakage x 2
Fence 8 - horse fall x 1
Fence 9 - retirement x 1, 1 refusal + retirement x 1, 1 refusal x 1, rider fall x 2
Fence 10 - 1 refusal x 1
Fence 11 - no problems
Fence 12 - 1 refusal + rider fall x 1, 1 refusal x 1
Fence 13 - 1 refusal x 6, 2 refusals x 1, 2 refusals + retirement x 1, 3 refusals + elimination x 1, 1 refusal + retirement x 2, rider fall x 1
Fence 14 - rider fall x 1
Fence 15 - 1 refusal + elimination x 1, 1 refusal + rider fall x 1, 1 refusal x 4, frangible pin breakage x 1
Fence 16 - 1 refusal + retirement x 4, horse fall x 2, technical elimination x 1, 2 refusals + elimination x 1, 1 refusal x 2, rider fall x 1
Fence 17 - retirement
Fence 18 - 1 refusal x 1, horse fall x 2, rider fall x 2
Fence 19 - No problems
Fence 20 - No problems
Fence 21 - No problems
Fence 22 - 1 refusal x 1, retirement x 2, elimination x 1, 1 refusal + retirement x 1
Fence 23 - 2 refusals + retirement x 1, 1 refusal x 3, 1 refusal + retirement x 1, elimination x 1, horse fall x 1, rider fall x 1
Fence 24 - No problems
Fence 25 - No problems
Fence 26 - No problems
Fence 27 - horse fall x 1
Fence 28 - No problems
Fence 29 - No problems
Fence 30 - No problems
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...-Badminton-thread!/page74#m8TFOd3Bzfd47aIT.99





First number is placing after cross country
Second number is placing after dressage
Third number - movement between the two - either + or -

1 2 +1
2 41 +39
3 30 +27
4 34 +30
5 25 +20
6 11 + 5
7 53 +46
8 46 +38
9 55 +46
10 29 +19
11 69 +58
12 48 +36
13 36 +23
14 57 +43
15 76 +61
16 9 -7
17 22 +5
18 63 +45
19 25 +6
20 82 +62
21 28 +17
22 69 +47
23 20 -3
24 62 +38
25 13 -12
26 67 +41
27 23 -4
28 16 -12
29 14 -15
30 48 +18
31 78 +47
32 41 +9
33 77 +44
34 81 +47
35 20 -15

So Kai-Steffen Meier has improved the most placing on his dressage score
Read more at http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/foru...-Badminton-thread!/page75#mksMZ0FKVlModxuH.99

Apologies for length of post!
 
Re. the people stopped early on at burghley they mentioned that today with one of them (belgian girl!?!) and said it was very contraversial at the time. I don't think we should underestimate the decision to stop someone before the last fence and it is easy to judge in hindsight but again, it was questionable that armada was allowed to continue and if that was 2014 (Think so!) he finished second.

actually just double checked, oli got a verbal warning not yellow carded for that.
 
Last edited:
Mrs B said:
I noticed that there was an independent production company credit at the end and have been left assuming it went to the cheapest bidder.
Click to expand...

It's a long time since the BBC filmed it themselves. BBCOB - the outside broadcast arm of the BBC was sold off about 10 years ago to SIS. At that point it was effectively the same crew and equipment with a different name painted on the side of the trucks. However SIS had to bid on the contracts and didn't win so they closed the OB division in 2013.

I think it's a general trend of cost cutting all round, I go to Glastonbury each year and have noticed cut backs in some of the more specialist devices like aerial camera systems last year.
 
ester said:
Re. the people stopped early on at burghley they mentioned that today with one of them (belgian girl!?!) and said it was very contraversial at the time. I don't think we should underestimate the decision to stop someone before the last fence and it is easy to judge in hindsight but again, it was questionable that armada was allowed to continue and if that was 2014 (Think so!) he finished second.

actually just double checked, oli got a verbal warning not yellow carded for that.
Click to expand...

Apologies- when I was looking earlier I was on my phone and couldn't scroll across properly.

I think in 2014 Carolyne Ryan-Bell was stopped by the ground jury but nothing on the FEI warnings.

Interesting to look back through yellow cards/warnings etc and see whose had warnings/cards
 
Something I thought while watching and looking at the completion stats is that there were at least a couple of riders who likely would have completed the course, but got an early run out/stop and clearly decided to save the horse for another day and retired (Bettina Hoy comes to mind) or perhaps it was more that they felt their horse wasn't 100% confident or 100% on side today, but still more individual than due to the design of the course I thought...
 
Just seen on Facebook Shane roses horse nugget slid into the badminton house pillars and has a suspected shoulder fracture, he is
Comfortable at present and will have further scans tomorrow to determine damage and treatment.

Such a shame, everything crossed for him
 
ester said:
I actually preferred it without quad shots of horses just galloping, and the alternative routes being mapped out, they rarely make much sense and don't generally get used as 'textbook' as the diagrams would have you make out!
Click to expand...

Same here! Quad shots don't add anything for me and the diagrams of routes mean nothing until you see them actually being jumped.

Re some of the other stuff Mrs B mentioned, would that feature in the highlights coverage tomorrow? I'm trying to think of anything missing from last year's coverage and can only come up with the rider course walk/profiles which wouldn't usually be on the red button stuff anyway.
 
DirectorFury said:
Elisa Wallace has been "interviewed by the ground jury and sanctioned with a yellow card under article 526.1 — abuse of the horse, following her fall at the last fence." - statement from Badminton. Personally I think she should have had much worse than what is basically a slap on the wrist.

Didn't this happen to William Fox-Pitt when he first started out? I'm sure she will be beating herself up big time and doesn't need any help with it.
Click to expand...
 
I thought the coverage of fences, and general production of it yesterday was good. I didn't miss the computer generated routes and alternatives or the noisy quad bikes. From walking the course I saw a lot of the fences I wanted to see jumped (only fence 3 was a notable exception). They even got the right balance of commentators too!

That's not great news about the injured horse. It must've been scary for competitors about to go to have something gallop in and injur itself.
 
I was surprised none of the Hunt were about to stop it, they're normally quite quick at catching the loose ones.

Glad Elisa was carded, if it teaches her a lesson then it's worth it. I honestly thought her attitude afterwards was as shocking as her keeping the horse going.
 
I thought that too FW.

Having had a google, she's wearing the Uvex Perfexxion- compared to the other Uvex hats it looks like the peak might not be attached fully unlike the others.

Maybe it comes off on impact. There must be some kind of safety feature else it wouldn't be allowed, surely?

ETA: or possibly not- another quick Google showed the BE rule banning fixed peaks does not apply to FEI competitions.
 
Last edited:
AmieeT said:
I thought that too FW.

Having had a google, she's wearing the Uvex Perfexxion- compared to the other Uvex hats it looks like the peak might not be attached fully unlike the others.

Maybe it comes off on impact. There must be some kind of safety feature else it wouldn't be allowed, surely?

ETA: or possibly not- another quick Google showed the BE rule banning fixed peaks does not apply to FEI competitions.
Click to expand...

Yes I wondered if it was to do with that but I still wouldn't wear it for anything except hacking. It's very "shelly"! In fact I only wear it hacking on my cob these days. Just would think jumping fences like that you'd want something more substantial!
 
Ooh drama already at the horse inspection.

Oli townend/Samuel Thomas have been held
Kristina cook/Billy the red have been held
Alexander brag/Zagreb have bee held

Both toddys through
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top