DirectorFury
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This is what it was like on dressage day for me, I'd prefer no live stream to this quality - it makes you feel sea sick.
Badminton XC thread
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Ample Prosecco
Still wittering on
Pipsqueak, agree. I think most riders genuinely love their horses and treat them with kindness and respect. And also expect a lot of them and put them at risk which is another contradiciton. I love Amber and I am putting her at risk by breeding her. Yet another contradiction. Human-animal relationships are very contradictory in all areas. Not just eventing.
And I agree there needs to be either strengthening or proper enforcement of a 'tired horse' rule.
And I agree there needs to be either strengthening or proper enforcement of a 'tired horse' rule.
fetlock
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It really does. I have trouble with focus at the best of times so was wondering if it was just me.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
Jerky SJ footage for me, too. Wish they'd keep the horse and rider name up for the duration plus display the time. The time is quite tight, but you only see after the round what the time was/any time faults.
Swallow Springs looked really good at the trot up, so his glance off can't have hurt him too much.
ETA 7 horses withdrawn overnight after the XC. 3 horses held after first trot up but all passed after a 2nd look. Long discussion over John the Bull, but allowed through.
Swallow Springs looked really good at the trot up, so his glance off can't have hurt him too much.
ETA 7 horses withdrawn overnight after the XC. 3 horses held after first trot up but all passed after a 2nd look. Long discussion over John the Bull, but allowed through.
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fetlock
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Looking like time penalties in the SJ are going to be really influential.
DirectorFury
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The live stream seems smoother now after I dropped the quality down, hopefully they've sorted it!
It's really nice to see so many horses coming out really fresh after the hard XC yesterday
It's really nice to see so many horses coming out really fresh after the hard XC yesterday
Lexi_
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They seem to have rediscovered the live score & timing graphic too ?
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
And they've found their commentators - the early horses went round with barely any commentary! Up to expected broadcast standards now.
Felicity Collins and RSH Contend OR are the first to be clear inside the time.
Felicity Collins and RSH Contend OR are the first to be clear inside the time.
teapot
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Clearly @Tiddlypom has powers!
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
*accepts fully deserved plaudits gracefully* ???
Lexi_
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The young riders have looked great today. I really enjoyed Bubby Upton’s SJ round too.
Michen
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Sounds awful but I don’t want London 52 to win it much as I think he’s amazing. Really want one of the true gutsy XC horses too that didn’t get by on a prayer.
Ros young horse would be an amazing achievement.
Ros young horse would be an amazing achievement.
teapot
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So only one clear inside the time for the morning session!
sasquatch
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So some of the things I found interesting about xc;
A lot of the first timers seemed to do better than experienced riders, I was very impressed by Ariel Grald, who completed her first 5* and looked to have a good round once her horse settled and rode well.
Could it be that some of the first timers were just more cautious and prepared to be cautious than the experienced riders this time round?
There were some unfortunate falls that were just unfortunate - Hazel Shannon comes to mind as her horse just seemed to hesitate too much at the ditch and then fall over it. Maybe she could have pushed him forward more, but it looked like the horse just came in and hung in the air and was looking too much into the drop on the other side. Any other fence, and I’m sure she would have gotten away with the horse backing off a bit. Interestingly, I think before his fall Alex Bragg had a similar problem where the horse just looked into the ditch at the V and got lucky as the pins fell.
Cathal Daniels fall was horrible to watch, but looks as if Barichello may have slipped on take off or just misjudged his take off point because of the , they were both very lucky. It was the same fence Emily King fell at, where the horse just left a leg.
Tom McEwen’s fall was pure rider error, Toledo had been forward and jumping massively and TM just didn’t seem to adjust him for it properly.
The French horse (I cannot remember his name) was a hideous rider judgement on a tired horse. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a red card come out of that.
I do feel a bit for Ben Hobday, it looks like the horse left a leg, unseated him and he just toppled off the side. I’m sure he’s kicking himself as he’s probably sat to much worse but we all have those moments of ‘I really should have sat that’.
I didn’t see Pippa’s fall or the other fall by the American (?) girl so have nonidesnwhar
I do think this being the first Badminton in 3 years, with a sold out crowd played a big part in it. Horses that have competed over the last 2/3 years with smaller or no crowds probably did find it a different experience, combined with a tough, full up 5* course. I’m not surprised horses were withdrawn before the jumping phase today. It was also nice to see riders retiring horses who weren’t enjoying the trip rather than pushing them round a few more fences.
I do think XC should be technical, and should have questions for both horse and rider but not to the point it causes serious horse falls. I don’t enjoy eventing as much when it turns into a dressage and showjumping competition, and I do think so many of the top riders after dressage having falls or penalties did give a good indication on how the course was riding.
I’m going to be interested to see how many riders are handed warnings, red and yellow cards after XC.
A lot of the first timers seemed to do better than experienced riders, I was very impressed by Ariel Grald, who completed her first 5* and looked to have a good round once her horse settled and rode well.
Could it be that some of the first timers were just more cautious and prepared to be cautious than the experienced riders this time round?
There were some unfortunate falls that were just unfortunate - Hazel Shannon comes to mind as her horse just seemed to hesitate too much at the ditch and then fall over it. Maybe she could have pushed him forward more, but it looked like the horse just came in and hung in the air and was looking too much into the drop on the other side. Any other fence, and I’m sure she would have gotten away with the horse backing off a bit. Interestingly, I think before his fall Alex Bragg had a similar problem where the horse just looked into the ditch at the V and got lucky as the pins fell.
Cathal Daniels fall was horrible to watch, but looks as if Barichello may have slipped on take off or just misjudged his take off point because of the , they were both very lucky. It was the same fence Emily King fell at, where the horse just left a leg.
Tom McEwen’s fall was pure rider error, Toledo had been forward and jumping massively and TM just didn’t seem to adjust him for it properly.
The French horse (I cannot remember his name) was a hideous rider judgement on a tired horse. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a red card come out of that.
I do feel a bit for Ben Hobday, it looks like the horse left a leg, unseated him and he just toppled off the side. I’m sure he’s kicking himself as he’s probably sat to much worse but we all have those moments of ‘I really should have sat that’.
I didn’t see Pippa’s fall or the other fall by the American (?) girl so have nonidesnwhar
I do think this being the first Badminton in 3 years, with a sold out crowd played a big part in it. Horses that have competed over the last 2/3 years with smaller or no crowds probably did find it a different experience, combined with a tough, full up 5* course. I’m not surprised horses were withdrawn before the jumping phase today. It was also nice to see riders retiring horses who weren’t enjoying the trip rather than pushing them round a few more fences.
I do think XC should be technical, and should have questions for both horse and rider but not to the point it causes serious horse falls. I don’t enjoy eventing as much when it turns into a dressage and showjumping competition, and I do think so many of the top riders after dressage having falls or penalties did give a good indication on how the course was riding.
I’m going to be interested to see how many riders are handed warnings, red and yellow cards after XC.
sasquatch
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To add as well, very impressed with Ariel Grald’s jumping round and think she’s going to be someone to watch out for in the future
RachelFerd
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Arial Grald has been round Burghley and Luhmuhlen once (oh, and Kentucky too) with that horse - quite a long way from a 5* first-timer - although I agree she was super!
Chianti
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Anyone interested in the use of horses in high level competition might want to read 'I Can't watch Anymore' by Julie Taylor. It's an open letter to the IOC as to why horses shouldn't be included in the Olympic games but it relates to all high level competitions. It mainly discusses how horses are managed in order to compete in dressage and show jumping but there are also some references to eventing.
Mynstrel
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Well said that person! The reply doesn't endear him any more than his reaction after the fall did.
sasquatch
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I swear the commentators said it was her first 5* yesterday on XC, so maybe I misheard or maybe they were wrong too lol
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
The seven withdrawals overnight after the XC were
no 5 Cesar V
no 18 Lassban Diamond Lift
no 31 Soladoun
no 42 DHI Mighty Dwight
no 75 Jewelent
no 85 MGH Bingo Boy
no 87 Goldsmiths Imber
no 5 Cesar V
no 18 Lassban Diamond Lift
no 31 Soladoun
no 42 DHI Mighty Dwight
no 75 Jewelent
no 85 MGH Bingo Boy
no 87 Goldsmiths Imber
Ample Prosecco
Still wittering on
Watching the BBC coverage of the top riders talking about their horses. I simply do not believe these riders view the horses as machines. The love and respect they feel for the horses, and the relationship they have is moving and inspiring.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
You lot are going to have to give a good commentary, it’s not being shown on BBC NI and I can’t even get Badminton radio to work now ??
Crazy_cat_lady
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I want Piggy to win!
teapot
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Think there was another American who was at their first 5* possibly?
HashRouge
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Can you watch it here? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/equestrian/61094797
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
You star!
HashRouge
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teapot
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Just came across a load of anti-eventing stuff on Twitter.
I just don’t know what the answer is to keep the sport at true 5* level but being aware of the social licence of horse sport especially now.
I just don’t know what the answer is to keep the sport at true 5* level but being aware of the social licence of horse sport especially now.
milliepops
Wears headscarf aggressively
no it's a tricky one, that's for sure.
I love eventing, it's fun to do and exciting to watch. But times are changing and I am also unsure how to square the top competition aspect with preventing any horse from having an accident.
It feels unusual to see this much negativity (whereas it feels commonplace in dressage) , previously it's been more ripping into individuals rather than questioning the sport as a whole. wonder why it's taken this long? rewatching the footage even the top riders in the world are yanking away on horses mouths in a way that would have them slaughtered in a dressage ring... but it's OK because the horse has its ears forward (doesn't that just mean its attention is ahead of it??)
only_me
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Do you have sky? It’s channel 969 if so