Bakers

Dobiegirl said:
Yes thats what I heard and free range use the same breed of bird but they take longer to finish. Makes a mockery of the whole welfare thing really.

All the people that feed raw do you fast your dogs one day a week? when I worked for a hunt hounds always had a fast day on Sunday. They are also doing this in zoos fasting their carnivores. The logic I presume is no wild animal could catch prey 7days a week.
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I've heard that theory and thought about it - but I'm not keen on having my face eaten off while I'm asleep....
 
Oberon said:
I've heard that theory and thought about it - but I'm not keen on having my face eaten off while I'm asleep....
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Lol Mine will have a pig out day (literally normally mid week or a saturday depending when im off)and no walkies day (mainly have a day of eating pig head, offal and trotters) they spend pretty much all day eating.


The next day they have a token feed of a few chunks or tripe and then a nice couple hour walkies.
 
paisley said:
Today I went to Pets at Home for another toy (ball-onna-rope, lasted about 1 minute, before I managed to throw it into a fecking tree!), and somehow persuaded a man clutching a box of Bakers to put it back and get some Prize Choice frozen blocks instead. Really didnt mean to but - do I get brownie points? ;)
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Well done :D

Would you believe I have actually shinnied up a tree to retrieve an ill-thrown ball before now just to shut up the whiny whiner sitting at the bottom of the tree, looking up forlornly and refusing to move....

The boys at club wet themselves laughing at me, I throw the balls right on out of the field over the fence :o
 
CaveCanem said:
Oh right, so rugby tackling them and yelling 'nnoooooooooooooo!' is a bit much then?

:p :p
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Well when I got asked "did you find everything you needed today?" by the tills assistant I said no you don't sell decent dog food!! She started on about Hills, I just told her I would not feed my dog that over rated expensive crap, and that if a owner ever truely checked the ingredients they would be suprised at how little meat and nutrician (im tipsy and cant spell right now) was in it for the price at that is a marketing con no worse than the utter crap that is Bakers (Cue bloke behind me dump his bag :) )


OH at this point abandoned me and waited in the car, I only went in for Teals fav Kong Balls and some guinea pig food about all that is of anyuse at P@H I have gone off wainwrights now I have found skinners although even that makes the dogs teeth yellow, roll on winter when I can be fly free and just be on raw constantly.
 
paisley said:
Today I went to Pets at Home for another toy (ball-onna-rope, lasted about 1 minute, before I managed to throw it into a fecking tree!), and somehow persuaded a man clutching a box of Bakers to put it back and get some Prize Choice frozen blocks instead. Really didnt mean to but - do I get brownie points? ;)
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Major points! Didyou tell him why it was bad?

Dobiegirl said:
All the people that feed raw do you fast your dogs one day a week? when I worked for a hunt hounds always had a fast day on Sunday. They are also doing this in zoos fasting their carnivores. The logic I presume is no wild animal could catch prey 7days a week.
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Lord, I'd be overwhelmed with whining sad things!

Oberon said:
I've heard that theory and thought about it - but I'm not keen on having my face eaten off while I'm asleep....
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PMSL!

Toffee44 said:
Does anyone else end up talking REALLY LOUDLY when you see people looking at bakers??
I do, OH just shys away now.

I do wonder if this food will ever come off our shelves.
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I do, OH walks away :o

I sincerely hope it does, we just need to spread the word. Someone suggested putting post its on all the bags in Asda!

CaveCanem said:
Oh right, so rugby tackling them and yelling 'nnoooooooooooooo!' is a bit much then?

:p :p
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Possibly! :D But, hey, whatever works!
 
cinammontoast said:
I sincerely hope it does, we just need to spread the word. Someone suggested putting post its on all the bags in Asda!



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OMG I said this to OH while in sainsburys, he said he would dump me if I did that though :( where is the love! ! So glad its not just me with these thoughts, I suppose im soooooo angry with myself that I was soooo naive as to what was in dog food and that Dylan started life on Bakers Puppy and then 2 weeks with me.
 
cinammontoast said:
Major points! Didyou tell him why it was bad?


Hooray, points for me! I think I may have mentioned potentially carcinogenic ingredients and it probably helped that I had the whippity lurcher looking perky and healthy, so he asked what I fed him on.

CaveCanem, it was one bleddy big tree, for a £2 ball-onna-rope I 'll let it go ;) He's just as happy with his lead knotted up and thown- this is the cheapy cheap dog!
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paisley said:
(ball-onna-rope, lasted about 1 minute, before I managed to throw it into a fecking tree!)
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Glad to know I'm not the only one that regularly loses those things to trees (last time I was so good at aiming badly I'd have needed a crane to rescue it from the branch I wrapped it around :().

I don't feed raw (for reasons I can't be bothered to justify :p) just Arden Grange, topped up with any meat/gravy/fish etc. from the table, and the odd tin of tuna or salmon etc.

Loki did steal most of a beef joint from the kitchen today though. He thoroughly enjoyed it and, as it wasn't my joint, essentially had a free dinner. Win!
 
Dobiegirl said:
Yes thats what I heard and free range use the same breed of bird but they take longer to finish. Makes a mockery of the whole welfare thing really.

All the people that feed raw do you fast your dogs one day a week? when I worked for a hunt hounds always had a fast day on Sunday. They are also doing this in zoos fasting their carnivores. The logic I presume is no wild animal could catch prey 7days a week.
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We fast 1-2 days a week. Just because they seem to do better that way. More of the food we give is digested and even smaller poops!
 
I have just cross posted the original post from here on a guinea pig forum (In the Other Pets sections) I have had quite a few replies already with people with dogs with allergies and rashes etc. Funnily enough its bakers or wagg.......and they were very very shocked.



RESULT :D :D
 
Oooo this threads still alive! :D
Good work people! I have to say I am also guilty of bashing any random person I see in a shop with a box/sack of bakers in hand! We need t shirts! :p :D
 
Great thread!!
Ive fed raw for the last 3 years and my dog loves it. I order my frozen food from Durham Animal Feeds and they are great!!! I can highly recommend them. Im fortunate to have a chest freezer and can order 3 months at a time. The meat comes in 450kg blocks which is a great size as mine has 2 a day!! I prefer them to prize choice and they seem cheaper too.

I also get whole chickens reduced at the supermarket for his bones. I have to be careful with smaller animals though as he doesnt chew properly!!!
 
Toffee44 said:
I have just cross posted the original post from here on a guinea pig forum (In the Other Pets sections) I have had quite a few replies already with people with dogs with allergies and rashes etc. Funnily enough its bakers or wagg.......and they were very very shocked.

RESULT :D :D
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Wow, fantastic! I kept another anti-Bakers thread going on pet forums.co.uk, big dog forum. Fab stuff!

Vizslak said:
Oooo this threads still alive! :D
Good work people! I have to say I am also guilty of bashing any random person I see in a shop with a box/sack of bakers in hand! We need t shirts! :p :D
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Cor, dare we? Won't we be horribly sued?
 
'I do believe that the accumulative feeding of *certain* foods over generations does have something to do with the unprecedented amount of allergies we are seeing in dogs.'
I am interested in the theory behind this-to me I cannot put this into any scientific context, normally an animal becomes more used to eating a certain diet and adapts well.
And regarding increase in disease, there is also many different ways of keeping dogs (in houses with carpets/dust rather than in kennels with limited exposure to various allergens), more badly bred dogs, more tests available and awareness of diseases so more diseases diagnosed. (A bit like mental health in humans).
If a food is universally bad for animals, then it will not pick and choose the animals it affects, if your dog is healthy, shiney coat, good weight, suitable energy levels, producing good bowel motions then generally what you are feeding will not be causing harm, because those are all signs of good health. If your dog is ill/thin/poor skin then that food does not agree with him. That does nto mean that that food is a poor food or will disagree with all dogs.
That is my view on it certainly.
 
for those whos hop at the bargain end of asda/tesco for your meat as well-that's a whole other issue of encouraging poor welfare practices that often produce that meat, caged chickens, broilers who can't support their own weight, certainly not meat you want to be supporting by buying in bulk.
 
SusieT said:
'I do believe that the accumulative feeding of *certain* foods over generations does have something to do with the unprecedented amount of allergies we are seeing in dogs.'
I am interested in the theory behind this-to me I cannot put this into any scientific context, normally an animal becomes more used to eating a certain diet and adapts well.

Allergy can be one of the tough ones to really pinpoint. Genetic disposition in the offspring of affected parents is becoming increasingly evident, but the candidate genes for allergy quite often vary from each type. And certainly in human asthma, there are multiple phenotypes, it’s not just limited to a straight Th1/1 imbalance from an environmental reaction. But with any chronic disease, persistent inflammation is one of the underlying factors. And certainly from the list of additives in “some” foods, these seem capable of triggering a degree of inflammation or altering cellular efficiency. If you then breed from an asymptomatic but allergen-primed animal, then they may well pass on the genetic potential and there you go- itchy and wheezy dogs! But it’s just a theory ;)
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SusieT said:
for those whos hop at the bargain end of asda/tesco for your meat as well-that's a whole other issue of encouraging poor welfare practices that often produce that meat, caged chickens, broilers who can't support their own weight, certainly not meat you want to be supporting by buying in bulk.
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Whilst I agree with that statement it dosnt mean those of us that feed dry albeit decent kibble can feel smug because I dont think the meat in them is free range either.

Brands that use fish whether raw or kibble is a little better but farmed salmon is known for high stocking density with the resultant increase in parasites and the chemicals used to treat them.
 
Not remotely-but there is no option to buy free range dry food that I'm aware of, there is the option in supermarkets
 
The high incidence of allergens such as grain contained in commercial foods may lead to reactive dogs. Dogs have developed from almost pure carnivores to scavenger/omnivores. Some reactions are, according to my doctor, cumulative, so now the OH can no longer eat grain (but that's ok, cos I stopped feeding him commercial crap!:p)

Vizslak, it's an opinion!
 
cinammontoast said:
The high incidence of allergens such as grain contained in commercial foods may lead to reactive dogs. Dogs have developed from almost pure carnivores to scavenger/omnivores. Some reactions are, according to my doctor, cumulative, so now the OH can no longer eat grain
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Yes, but whilst your children may be equally susceptible to such build ups they will not have become any more susceptible by any sort of genetic magic, if your OH was a stud dog I would not use him as he was prone to allergies.
 
SusieT said:
'I do believe that the accumulative feeding of *certain* foods over generations does have something to do with the unprecedented amount of allergies we are seeing in dogs.'
I am interested in the theory behind this-to me I cannot put this into any scientific context, normally an animal becomes more used to eating a certain diet and adapts well.
And regarding increase in disease, there is also many different ways of keeping dogs (in houses with carpets/dust rather than in kennels with limited exposure to various allergens), more badly bred dogs, more tests available and awareness of diseases so more diseases diagnosed. (A bit like mental health in humans).
If a food is universally bad for animals, then it will not pick and choose the animals it affects, if your dog is healthy, shiney coat, good weight, suitable energy levels, producing good bowel motions then generally what you are feeding will not be causing harm, because those are all signs of good health. If your dog is ill/thin/poor skin then that food does not agree with him. That does nto mean that that food is a poor food or will disagree with all dogs.
That is my view on it certainly.
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No science at all, I said 'I believe' and is to do with my own experience, I did not say 'it's proven' or 'it's a fact' :)
But it's sparked a nice off-shoot debate!

I do also agree with the breeding thing. I NOW know (took me long enough..) that my dog is linebred on two males known to produce ear issues (another debate for another day but that's a good reason to have a five-gen pedigree with all health records - at least I can look at that and say, no Yasko, no Ursus, ever again!)
None of the other dogs in the litter were affected.
Mine does not have the capacity to breed any more ;) and I doubt any of the others will either.
 
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