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Start at about 20 secs if you dont want to hear a lot of bad language.
This is a rider with the Warwickshire. I think it may even be the same rider in original clip??
Ignore the rest of the video if you like as its more about the Warwickshire hunt but the clip from around 20 secs shows a rider hitting a horse. I dont think this was justified at all.
A warning there is a lot of bad language in this video so just scroll to about 20 secs in if you dont want to see a rant with very bad language.
 
Sandstone1 said:

Start at about 20 secs if you dont want to hear a lot of bad language.
This is a rider with the Warwickshire. I think it may even be the same rider in original clip??
Ignore the rest of the video if you like as its more about the Warwickshire hunt but the clip from around 20 secs shows a rider hitting a horse. I dont think this was justified at all.
A warning there is a lot of bad language in this video so just scroll to about 20 secs in if you dont want to see a rant with very bad language.
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That shouty man is something else and you are right about that poor horse, he didn’t even know what he was supposed to do and I don’t think that was the first time he had been treated like that.
 
Sandstone1 said:

Start at about 20 secs if you dont want to hear a lot of bad language.
This is a rider with the Warwickshire. I think it may even be the same rider in original clip??
Ignore the rest of the video if you like as its more about the Warwickshire hunt but the clip from around 20 secs shows a rider hitting a horse. I dont think this was justified at all.
A warning there is a lot of bad language in this video so just scroll to about 20 secs in if you dont want to see a rant with very bad language.
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Don't think it's the same person. Different hat, different boots and more timber.
 
Not only was it not justified damn stupid to think hitting the horse like that, standing in that position will encourage it forward!

Gobby man was a delight wasn't he? I suspect a coronary will perform some natural selection of the species very soon if that is his usual style of communication!🤭
 
Sandstone1 said:

Start at about 20 secs if you dont want to hear a lot of bad language.
This is a rider with the Warwickshire. I think it may even be the same rider in original clip??
Ignore the rest of the video if you like as its more about the Warwickshire hunt but the clip from around 20 secs shows a rider hitting a horse. I dont think this was justified at all.
A warning there is a lot of bad language in this video so just scroll to about 20 secs in if you dont want to see a rant with very bad language.
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Well not only is hitting the poor horse unnecessary, it's completely counter productive. He's stood facing the horse and moving towards it so of course the horse will back away. Then the poor things gets a wallop? What an earth did that achieve other than confuse the animal more.
 
Sandstone1 said:
Im am not sure if it is or not. Whatever that was deliberate and the horse was confused. I have a feeling it would have been worse had the other rider not warned him....
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The one in the video looked younger than the one in the OP's post too but yes, either way, it wasn't nice at all.

I just think that all of this opens a can of worms though really. If we are going to scrutinize these men over the use of a whip then surely it's only fair to do it for all others that use the whip. The rider of the bay in the first one used it but that's more or less been overlooked.

What about people that give their horses a whack on the shoulder on the approach to a jump to stop a refusal? I can only imagine over half of us here have probably done this or to deter the horse from napping in a certain direction. There are well known riders that have a large following on social media for their hat cams and they are seen to give their horses a wack on the shoulder on approach to some fences.

If the use of the whip is wrong then surely it shouldn't be used in any situation; people can't pick and choose, hitting is hitting.
 
GrassChop said:
The one in the video looked younger than the one in the OP's post too but yes, either way, it wasn't nice at all.

I just think that all of this opens a can of worms though really. If we are going to scrutinize these men over the use of a whip then surely it's only fair to do it for all others that use the whip. The rider of the bay in the first one used it but that's more or less been overlooked.

What about people that give their horses a whack on the shoulder on the approach to a jump to stop a refusal? I can only imagine over half of us here have probably done this or to deter the horse from napping in a certain direction. There are well known riders that have a large following on social media for their hat cams and they are seen to give their horses a wack on the shoulder on approach to some fences.

If the use of the whip is wrong then surely it shouldn't be used in any situation; people can't pick and choose, hitting is hitting.
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I agree, Hitting horses is seen as the norm but would you do it to any other animal? It is a huge can of worms.
 
GrassChop said:
Exactly and it seems in the horse world that some hitting is okay and sometimes it's not.🤷‍♀️
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Or if you get caught doing it!:oops:
Imagine if Greyhounds were hit to make them run faster or dogs in agility hit to make them jump. interesting that hitting horses is seen as ok but for other animals its not.
 
I think there are occasions where a well timed smack is necessary. When it is the interest of keeping horse/rider/other members of the public and their pets safe, whilst it may not be pleasant I would rather give my horse a firm smack than risk me, my horse, or anyone else getting hurt.

Like many items of tack, whips have their uses and are an important aid. However it seems some people have no understanding of their use or purpose. The tit trying to make his horse come forwards clearly doesn't have a clue. They are not meant to be used to beat a horse, or temper tantrum "my horse won't listen to me waaaaah..... TAKE THIS *wack*". They are an extention of your arm, a back up from your leg, and in an emergency or serious situation, can be used to correct, however, the timing must be precise, no good walloping the horse 5 minutes after it kicked out, and there is no need to use excessive force or multiple smacks. A single firm smack in my experience backed up with voice, is more than sufficient to make the horse understanding the message.
 
Trickywooo said:
I think there are occasions where a well timed smack is necessary. When it is the interest of keeping horse/rider/other members of the public and their pets safe, whilst it may not be pleasant I would rather give my horse a firm smack than risk me, my horse, or anyone else getting hurt.

Like many items of tack, whips have their uses and are an important aid. However it seems some people have no understanding of their use or purpose. The tit trying to make his horse come forwards clearly doesn't have a clue. They are not meant to be used to beat a horse, or temper tantrum "my horse won't listen to me waaaaah..... TAKE THIS *wack*". They are an extention of your arm, a back up from your leg, and in an emergency or serious situation, can be used to correct, however, the timing must be precise, no good walloping the horse 5 minutes after it kicked out, and there is no need to use excessive force or multiple smacks. A single firm smack in my experience backed up with voice, is more than sufficient to make the horse understanding the message.
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Yes, but sadly they are often not used like that as we all know. Maybe if they can not be used properly they shouldnt be used at all.
 
Sandstone1 said:
Yes, but sadly they are often not used like that as we all know. Maybe if they can not be used properly they shouldnt be used at all.
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I agree that I don't think anyone should be using a whip without knowing its proper use. But then it isn't just whips that can be misused. Bits, spurs (although they are a personal pet hate of mine anyway), bitless bridles, etc all have the power to be misused. Shall we ban everything? I don't know the answer, but it is an interesting discussion.

And as I've said, there is also a safety aspect. I would rather be able to effectively and swiftly correct my horse in an emergency. It is the lesser of two evils if it prevents myself, my horse, or someone else getting hurt.
 
I was out alone on my newly purchased 4-year-old (who I’ve loaned since May) yesterday, and he was being very nappy at a few points. He’s generally excellent. It seemed to start with some workmen in a place where they’re not usually, so he was on high alert.

We got over it and carried on, but he was then trying to turn and spin back into the road rather than go down the bridlepath (we use it multiple times a week with no issue). The path is directly off a busy road with a bend. I tried to redirect with small circles to try get him going forward but he planted repeatedly. I shouted at him to “Get on!”. Wasn’t happening. I then gave him firm kicks and some smacks on the bum with the crop I keep in the leg of my boot. We could have been hit by a vehicle or his antics could have unseated me onto concrete.

When riding a 600kg animal, sometimes you’ve got to make these decisions, right? However, I still have an uneasy feeling about it. It didn’t and doesn’t feel good. Non-horsey people may have watched me and thought I was being cruel. I’m thinking — A) We are possibly about to be injured if he doesn’t get it together and B) If I get off or turn for home, it’s going to cause problems for the future.

Anyway, not sure what my point is!!! Gah.
 
I agree its difficult but to use a whip in temper { I think most of us have seen this happen} To punish or simply to make them go faster or jump higher etc?
Yes there are times when it may be needed to stop a horse swinging its bum in to traffic etc but remember how things look to the general public.
Its a whole can of worms which is beginning to be opened.
 
Sandstone1 said:
I agree its difficult but to use a whip in temper { I think most of us have seen this happen} To punish or simply to make them go faster or jump higher etc?
Yes there are times when it may be needed to stop a horse swinging its bum in to traffic etc but remember how things look to the general public.
Its a whole can of worms which is beginning to be opened.
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I can completely agree a whip should never be used in temper.
It is a can of worms indeed and a very interesting discussion. The horse world is definitely under greater scrutiny than ever before.
 
I don't know much about hunting but the woman filming the swearing man didn't seems very clever to me...

Why keep filiming him and getting him angry ? He wasn't in the hunt and all she achieved is to get him half mad ....

Instead of keeping winding him up, why not turn away....

The man hitting the horse wasn't that bright either....

Glad, we don't have hunting on horses here...
 
Trickywooo said:
And the wider issue, especially since the Charlotte Durjardin incident, how are the general public meant to know the difference. To them hitting is hitting I suppose.
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And that’s exactly it. The public doesn’t care why we’re hitting a horse with a whip, only that we’re hitting a horse with a whip.

Hitting a horse to clear a jump is never gonna fly with the public. Horses don’t care if they win a gold medal. It’ll become increasingly hard to justify its use. But the whole time they’re used in racing, I doubt much will happen in other equestrian sports (except maybe their removal from the Olympics, which I do think is only a matter of time).
 
KatieDM said:
I was out alone on my newly purchased 4-year-old (who I’ve loaned since May) yesterday, and he was being very nappy at a few points. He’s generally excellent. It seemed to start with some workmen in a place where they’re not usually, so he was on high alert.

We got over it and carried on, but he was then trying to turn and spin back into the road rather than go down the bridlepath (we use it multiple times a week with no issue). The path is directly off a busy road with a bend. I tried to redirect with small circles to try get him going forward but he planted repeatedly. I shouted at him to “Get on!”. Wasn’t happening. I then gave him firm kicks and some smacks on the bum with the crop I keep in the leg of my boot. We could have been hit by a vehicle or his antics could have unseated me onto concrete.

When riding a 600kg animal, sometimes you’ve got to make these decisions, right? However, I still have an uneasy feeling about it. It didn’t and doesn’t feel good. Non-horsey people may have watched me and thought I was being cruel. I’m thinking — A) We are possibly about to be injured if he doesn’t get it together and B) If I get off or turn for home, it’s going to cause problems for the future.

Anyway, not sure what my point is!!! Gah.
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Agree. I’ve had to use my crop on occasions while out riding. Because I need her to keep moving. Not go backwards into the car behind and spin. Because she didn’t like a peacock at the Peacocks Hall.
 
southerncomfort said:
Gosh, what an unpleasant thread.

Agree with Birker, absolutely no need for the level of hostility aimed at BB.
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Thank you , of course I wouldnt hurt any animal.

Its always my threads that end up with the unpleasant people on it, you would think if I had them blocked that would be a big enough hint that I do not wish to engage in any form of interaction With those said people 🤣🤣

So, in case those people didn't know , well done for ruining the thread, I have not read your comments and in fact do not even get notifications because you are on ignore ☺️ so your wasting your time and effort and to be honest says more about you than it does me 🥰
 
On another note, never have I said using a crop on required occasions is wrong. I DON’T use one in fact I do not even know where it is, its the same one i have had since I was 11 🤣
I just felt there was absolutely no need for that horse to be hit by another rider from behind, Not the actual rider.
 
Barton Bounty said:
So, in case those people didn't know , well done for ruining the thread, I have not read your comments and in fact do not even get notifications because you are on ignore ☺️ so your wasting your time and effort and to be honest says more about you than it does me 🥰
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I don't have anyone on UI, though I'm tempted sometimes. I'm curious how it works.

If you have someone on UI how do you know if they have commented and who they are?
 
Janique said:
I don't know much about hunting but the woman filming the swearing man didn't seems very clever to me...

Why keep filiming him and getting him angry ? He wasn't in the hunt and all she achieved is to get him half mad ....

Instead of keeping winding him up, why not turn away....

The man hitting the horse wasn't that bright either....

Glad, we don't have hunting on horses here...
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Probably for proof that he was threatening her? Thats what sabs do, gather evidence of anything the hunt shouldnt be doing. The ranting man was not in the hunt but he was a foot follower and clearly was very angry. I agree the fact she was filming him was making the situation worse but had she not continued filming him and it had escalated in to violence then she would have no proof.
 
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