Barbaric

Just to add that one of the main reasons that I don’t have Barton Bounty on UI any more, although it would do my blood pressure good if I did, is to be on it when she goes on to post really bad advice on veterinary matters. Bad advice can’t be left unchallenged as some people might believe it to be true.


BB’s at it again on another thread today, authoritatively posting absolute twaddle in a confident style. Other more knowledgeable forum regulars are already on it to put the OP straight. Though anyone who disagrees with BB gets put on ignore, so she might be unaware!
 
Tiddlypom said:
Just to add that one of the main reasons that I don’t have Barton Bounty on UI any more, although it would do my blood pressure good if I did, is to be on it when she goes on to post really bad advice on veterinary matters. Bad advice can’t be left unchallenged as some people might believe it to be true.


BB’s at it again on another thread today, authoritatively posting absolute twaddle in a confident style. Other more knowledgeable forum regulars are already on it to put the OP straight. Though anyone who disagrees with BB gets put on ignore, so she might be unaware!
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I am so, so glad that more than one poster has now mentioned this! I don't think I have ever seen so much utter nonsense and terrible advice posted by one person. It's not compulsory to offer advice and sometimes it's extremely harmful.
 
AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
Question: is it legal to go and hunt foxes with a gun on private land?
Assuming said person has a gun license.
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This used to happen a lot in the area where we used to live.
If it's your land, or if you have permission from the land owner, it's perfectly legal.
'Lamping' was a popular pastime and usually very successful in killing foxes. Foxes are 'called in' by shooters using devices that squeak (ie, imitating the sound of a distressed animal). They are then easier to shoot as they are in closer range. (OH tells me that a child was recently accidentally shot by a lamper so it's definitely not without significant risk).
The situation in the area where we lived was crazy. There were people on the estate who talked constantly about the lovely cuddly foxes and would buy (factory farmed) chicken to feed them in gardens. One year the foxes had a bumper reproductive season, they were so well fed. The lampers then also had a bumper season. Bonkers.
Shooting foxes is often seen as humane but a lot of the time it isn't. I'm told it's not that easy to hit a fox and get an instant kill.
 
Nancykitt said:
This used to happen a lot in the area where we used to live.
If it's your land, or if you have permission from the land owner, it's perfectly legal.
'Lamping' was a popular pastime and usually very successful in killing foxes. Foxes are 'called in' by shooters using devices that squeak (ie, imitating the sound of a distressed animal). They are then easier to shoot as they are in closer range. (OH tells me that a child was recently accidentally shot by a lamper so it's definitely not without significant risk).
The situation in the area where we lived was crazy. There were people on the estate who talked constantly about the lovely cuddly foxes and would buy (factory farmed) chicken to feed them in gardens. One year the foxes had a bumper reproductive season, they were so well fed. The lampers then also had a bumper season. Bonkers.
Shooting foxes is often seen as humane but a lot of the time it isn't. I'm told it's not that easy to hit a fox and get an instant kill.
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That's interesting, I had thought lamping was illegal but I think perhaps I am mixing it up with the fact that a section of the community who lamp with lurchers often don't have permission to be on the land, and that is the illegal bit.
 
AShetlandBitMeOnce said:
That's interesting, I had thought lamping was illegal but I think perhaps I am mixing it up with the fact that a section of the community who lamp with lurchers often don't have permission to be on the land, and that is the illegal bit.
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Yes - it's illegal to shoot on any land without the owner's permission.
It's certainly illegal to use lurchers to catch and kill, but killing a fox with a rifle (or even a shotgun if it's close enough) is legal.
 
Clodagh said:
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If you take an animal or bird on land on which you do not have permission you have poached it.
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Agree, Anything without permission on private land is poaching whatever the animal.

Lamping, As i believe dosent really even involve dogs does it? The GK here go's out lamping. He drives around and it's a quick shot of a rabbit caught in the lamp light, they won't move in a full beam- although I've never done it and stand to be corrected!
Coarsing is horrible. I got caught up in a big gang of coarsers with my dogs. It was really scary.
 
poiuytrewq said:
Agree, Anything without permission on private land is poaching whatever the animal.

Lamping, As i believe dosent really even involve dogs does it? The GK here go's out lamping. He drives around and it's a quick shot of a rabbit caught in the lamp light, they won't move in a full beam- although I've never done it and stand to be corrected!
Coarsing is horrible. I got caught up in a big gang of coarsers with my dogs. It was really scary.
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You can lamp with a dog.
 
Sandstone1 said:

Start at about 20 secs if you dont want to hear a lot of bad language.
This is a rider with the Warwickshire. I think it may even be the same rider in original clip??
Ignore the rest of the video if you like as its more about the Warwickshire hunt but the clip from around 20 secs shows a rider hitting a horse. I dont think this was justified at all.
A warning there is a lot of bad language in this video so just scroll to about 20 secs in if you dont want to see a rant with very bad language.
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I read the op and then skipped to more recent posts. My tuppence-worth is: Both horses are fine, nobody is barbaric. Chap in this clip might have had more success tapping horse further back than on it's shoulder but on an animal suffering scale with 10 being the worst, it might make a very brief 3, the one in the op barely a 2.

This guy is right, camera bint should f-off and get a hobby that isn't sabotaging someone else's. People have forgotten about staying in their own lane and minding their own business. These are the worst kind off interfering idiots who can't understand why everybody flipping hates them.

I do fun rides, I don't hunt but these pointless trouble causers still like to turn up with their bitterness trying to spoil people's happier lives.
 
but you can't hunt with more than 2 dogs i thought because that counts as a pack and hunting with packs of dogs is illegal.
But one is legal.

So you could lamp rabbits with one dog doing the work and others on leashes but not multiple going for the animal I think.
(please do correct if i am wrong).
Though I have seen people offering ratting services with multiple terriers so not sure.


Incidentally I think guns or dogs are actually far more humane than traps or poison for 'vermin' species.

I wish you could have a block/UI feature for off line interactions as well as on!! 😂
 
My understanding from the gov.uk guidance - and previous experience of what was happening where I used to live - is that it is illegal to use a dog to kill a fox, although the dog can be used to stalk or flush out a fox. I believe it's the same rules for mink.
As far as I know it's still legal to flush a fox to a bird of prey for the kill (although it has to be something big enough, eg a golden eagle).
FieldOrnaments said:
Incidentally I think guns or dogs are actually far more humane than traps or poison for 'vermin' species.
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I can't stand traps at all and I would agree that, in general, shooting is more humane.
 
Matafleur said:
I am so, so glad that more than one poster has now mentioned this! I don't think I have ever seen so much utter nonsense and terrible advice posted by one person. It's not compulsory to offer advice and sometimes it's extremely harmful.
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Absolutely this, I thought it was only me! I had seen this morning, yet again, talking a load of auld tripe, not just incorrect but could even well be detrimental advice.

I scrolled on by as this morning I just couldn't be arsed to read and deal with all the tedious 'be nice', 'be kind' etc. etc. and being told what an ignorant old has been horsewoman I am! ☺️ I gladly noticed others had already countered with more sensible advice. At risk of repeating myself, it is more than a tad worrying that younger, or less experienced horse owners might take some of the ignorant drivel coming from certain quarters as the gospel truth. I have thought this for sometime now and can't do much to change things but at least other members have noted this and might help guide younger or less experienced owners in the right direction.🤷‍♀️
 
Clodagh said:
Yes. Big lurchers kill foxes like terriers kill rats.
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Mines a big whippet, standing 22 inches at his shoulder and given the opportunity will take everything from rabbits, squirrels and foxes to roe deer stags. If the drive is strong enough and they are strong and fit enough they will do it. Hes kept away from deer and foxes now I know what he's capable of. My other one couldn't catch a cold thankfully so has more freedom.
 
Mrs. Jingle said:
Absolutely this, I thought it was only me! I had seen this morning, yet again, talking a load of auld tripe, not just incorrect but could even well be detrimental advice.

I scrolled on by as this morning I just couldn't be arsed to read and deal with all the tedious 'be nice', 'be kind' etc. etc. and being told what an ignorant old has been horsewoman I am! ☺️ I gladly noticed others had already countered with more sensible advice. At risk of repeating myself, it is more than a tad worrying that younger, or less experienced horse owners might take some of the ignorant drivel coming from certain quarters as the gospel truth. I have thought this for sometime now and can't do much to change things but at least other members have noted this and might help guide younger or less experienced owners in the right direction.🤷‍♀️
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Lots of people on here are aware, the bigger concern is those googling and coming across one thread who might not realise how ridiculous and dangerous some of the stuff she suggests is.
 
I'm Dun said:
Lots of people on here are aware, the bigger concern is those googling and coming across one thread who might not realise how ridiculous and dangerous some of the stuff she suggests is.
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Yes, that seems to be the case thankfully, but I wasn't aware until yesterday and today, a lot of stuff tends to go over my head these days.☺️ I agree the random googling bringing some of the stuff up is a worry, but hopefully any random googlers would not just read that incorrect advice but also read further to see the more sensible posts that offer alternative and frankly, much wiser information.
 
It’s not just poor veterinary advice that BB dishes out, either.

Earlier this year she waded in on a thread about debt collection posted by a concerned HHOer, with BB claiming to have worked in such an industry. BB posted terrible advice which she tried to front out even when a very experienced HHOer who did work in that field told the poster absolutely NOT to follow BB’s advice.

This is why #bekind# #don’t engage# #scroll on by# etc don’t cut it when a poster runs riot posting incorrect advice and facts about just about anything 🙄.

BB has chosen the wrong forum if she wants to be taken for a guru on all matters while posting bull crap. She will continue to be called out on here if she does.
 
Another gift for the antis and for those who believe that riders routinely whip their horses. This time it’s apparently a rider with the BSV hunt.

It’s a short clip. I can’t see the lead up to this and what the horse did to provoke this reaction from the rider, maybe it kicked, but I think I can count 11 successive hard smacks with a hunt whip given in short order behind the girth, all the while with sabs in clear view filming 🙄.

https://fb.watch/vtPU6CKkqu
 
WT actual F! What are they even trying to achieve by that? Dreadful horsemanship and I really can't imagine any situation where this would be acceptable. Apart from anything else, although we are not privy to what was going on before hand, it is clearly not an attempt to avert danger to life or limb as discussed on this thread previously. If anything the way that poor horse is being whipped and how they (the horse) are reacting to that, it is more likely to throw itself into some sort of pickle to try and avoid the whip lash. :mad:
 
I am not sure about being " A gift for the antis" Horse abuse takes place in most parts of the horse world. Hunting is a separate issue which just happens to show some riders up for the poor and abusive people they are.
The woman in that clip was taking her temper out on her horse, probably because she was frustrated by the presence of sabs.
I feel the hunting issue is about to become big news shortly anyway. Certainly in Warwickshire.
The whole horse abuse issue is just another side of the coin.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Another gift for the antis and for those who believe that riders routinely whip their horses. This time it’s apparently a rider with the BSV hunt.

It’s a short clip. I can’t see the lead up to this and what the horse did to provoke this reaction from the rider, maybe it kicked, but I think I can count 11 successive hard smacks with a hunt whip given in short order behind the girth, all the while with sabs in clear view filming 🙄.

https://fb.watch/vtPU6CKkqu
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What, on God's earth, was all that supposed to achieve? I do despair at times.
 
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