Barbaric

I'm hoping this was tongue in cheek

Believe me, it wasn't.:mad:

Making someone feel uncomfortable, vilified or hounded doesn't help and is a bit of a unnecessary and unhealthy past time and of no benefit to anyon

I doubt very much anyone on this thread has been sobbing in a corner playing victim, it just isn't in their playbook, but if you believe that myth then work away.

Apart from all the hypocrisy and hand wringing regarding the 'barbaric' video clip in original the post, this is my take on it. Firstly as so many have said, this is a very short clip that does not give us any pertinent information leading up to the short incident that so many are horrified to see. But in my very old fashioned and clueless experience on and off the hunting field this is what I see.

An older rider is following a possibly younger horse towards a narrow opening that is blocked on one side by a half open gate, people leaning on said gate and a large log on the ground in front of the gate. On the other side of the gap is a hefty post with some sort of rough fencing attached to it. If you can read horse language as clearly as some of you seem to be able to, the first horses approaches the gateway immediately showing the gate and log the 'side eye' and almost imperceptibly moving away from the gate side into the well known 'banana pass' position that could turn into a sideways leap in a nano second if not contained. Now, I would give a fairly good guess if that rider is unable to contain that curved sideways leap there is a very good chance that (a) the horse in question might well land itself on the opposite sturdy gatepost, possibly injuring itself and the rider, or (b) even come into a slight contact with the opposite gatepost might well be enough to send it leaping back from whence it came and muddling horse, rider and possibly bystanders in the manky old gate. Neither scenario would be an ideal outcome for any animal, bystander or rider. So the ignorant old fart behind (who may well know this horse and rider personally and is well aware of a tendency that this horse can and does act the maggot endangering itself and rider) waves his hunting whip across the horse in fronts rear end to whoosh it straight forward and through the gate with no nonsense and an extremely unbothered horse none the worse for wear.

I did not see any multiple whacks, I only saw one and it was not over arm or unduly harsh, I did not see the first horse rider whipping the horse she was riding either. I did not see a distressed or abused horse either. Apologies if I missed something as I am sure young eyes are sharper and better used than mine. Do I think it is Ok to hit horses in a barbaric and unnecessary way. Definitely not and I do not believe this was barbaric by any stretch of the imagination. If I felt by doing as the old fart rider did very possibly averted a dangerous conclusion for all concerned, I would be very glad he acted quickly, without undue force and fuss but I would rather the horse had arrived on the hunting field with either a better rider or more training for the horse.

Had the old fart done that to my horse I would have been damn furious as it would have interfered with my riding and correction of my horse. But if he did it in a well meant gesture believing I was unable to deal with the possibly dangerous situation myself, to avoid a greater accident, I would have probably been cross with him and told him so, but would have accepted his well meant interference as a one off, not to be repeated action. All this is based on supposition and I only put it forward as an example of what may have been going on that non of us can be aware of the true circumstances.

Before I get roasted on the hunting front, I have not hunted for over 40 years (yes, I am that old!). I do not believe this in any way whatsoever can be compared to the CDJ video and to do so is alarmist, undermines attempts to clean up competitive riding and horse welfare in general. I do not believe in using force against any animal, unless it has to be used in an unavoidable circumstance to avert real danger to that animal or bystanders.
 
I guess it depends on whether it was said tongue in cheek, I threatened to tie my cob up outside Beeston cattle market (when it was still operating) at times when we were having a bad day. I wasnt actually going to do it. Tone gets lost on the internet

Do you know what boiling sugar water does to the skin? Joking about spraying pesky neighbourhood cats with a bit of cold water, fine. Joking about scalding them as to cause maximum pain? Pretty sick thing to joke about, let alone post on a public forum.
 
Believe me, it wasn't.:mad:



I doubt very much anyone on this thread has been sobbing in a corner playing victim, it just isn't in their playbook, but if you believe that myth then work away.

Apart from all the hypocrisy and hand wringing regarding the 'barbaric' video clip in original the post, this is my take on it. Firstly as so many have said, this is a very short clip that does not give us any pertinent information leading up to the short incident that so many are horrified to see. But in my very old fashioned and clueless experience on and off the hunting field this is what I see.

An older rider is following a possibly younger horse towards a narrow opening that is blocked on one side by a half open gate, people leaning on said gate and a large log on the ground in front of the gate. On the other side of the gap is a hefty post with some sort of rough fencing attached to it. If you can read horse language as clearly as some of you seem to be able to, the first horses approaches the gateway immediately showing the gate and log the 'side eye' and almost imperceptibly moving away from the gate side into the well known 'banana pass' position that could turn into a sideways leap in a nano second if not contained. Now, I would give a fairly good guess if that rider is unable to contain that curved sideways leap there is a very good chance that (a) the horse in question might well land itself on the opposite sturdy gatepost, possibly injuring itself and the rider, or (b) even come into a slight contact with the opposite gatepost might well be enough to send it leaping back from whence it came and muddling horse, rider and possibly bystanders in the manky old gate. Neither scenario would be an ideal outcome for any animal, bystander or rider. So the ignorant old fart behind (who may well know this horse and rider personally and is well aware of a tendency that this horse can and does act the maggot endangering itself and rider) waves his hunting whip across the horse in fronts rear end to whoosh it straight forward and through the gate with no nonsense and an extremely unbothered horse none the worse for wear.

I did not see any multiple whacks, I only saw one and it was not over arm or unduly harsh, I did not see the first horse rider whipping the horse she was riding either. I did not see a distressed or abused horse either. Apologies if I missed something as I am sure young eyes are sharper and better used than mine. Do I think it is Ok to hit horses in a barbaric and unnecessary way. Definitely not and I do not believe this was barbaric by any stretch of the imagination. If I felt by doing as the old fart rider did very possibly averted a dangerous conclusion for all concerned, I would be very glad he acted quickly, without undue force and fuss but I would rather the horse had arrived on the hunting field with either a better rider or more training for the horse.

Had the old fart done that to my horse I would have been damn furious as it would have interfered with my riding and correction of my horse. But if he did it in a well meant gesture believing I was unable to deal with the possibly dangerous situation myself, to avoid a greater accident, I would have probably been cross with him and told him so, but would have accepted his well meant interference as a one off, not to be repeated action. All this is based on supposition and I only put it forward as an example of what may have been going on that non of us can be aware of the true circumstances.

Before I get roasted on the hunting front, I have not hunted for over 40 years (yes, I am that old!). I do not believe this in any way whatsoever can be compared to the CDJ video and to do so is alarmist, undermines attempts to clean up competitive riding and horse welfare in general. I do not believe in using force against any animal, unless it has to be used in an unavoidable circumstance to avert real danger to that animal or bystanders.

Thank you for saying what I couldn’t be arsed to write. And phrased it better than I would have anyway!
 
Whilst I completely agree I would not intentionally put my horse in a situation they would not feel comfortable in, you cannot control every eventuality. It could be a jogger on a bridlepath next time or a child and whilst as the rider I would do my utmost to ensure my horse could not kick out, i.e. turning my horse to face what us bothering them, asking the person to stop etc, sometimes situations happen beyond our control and I do not want my horse's to believe this is an acceptable behaviour. I'm not talking about beating my horse. I am talking a single well timed smack. I personally think that is the lesser of 2 evils.
There’s a far more interesting debate waiting to unfold here: whether or not slapping children should become criminalised in England....
When children (legal definition of ‘child’ is a lot older, these days) deliberately use violence and physical torture against other children? Or against pets and animals? Which most certainly happens, sometimes trying out boundaries, sometimes far darker. I can’t wait....
And as for the adult scalding cats and threatening hypothetical riders, good grief, surely knows better than to advocate any violence or physical threats on social media? Plenty of people now in jail for that sort of thing!
 
I think barbaric is a bit of a strong word to use, maybe unfair, or unreasonable.

But what I do think is barbaric is the way this thread has taken a turn for the worse. It's turning into a bit of a witch hunt and I think people should either agree and state why, or disagree and move on instead of making it personal or raking over old ground. Making someone feel uncomfortable, vilified or hounded doesn't help and is a bit of a unnecessary and unhealthy past time and of no benefit to anyone. It's makes me feel bit ick if I'm honest 🙁

We need to be kind to each other.

That's IMHO anyway FWIW.
I rarely get involved in these types of posts but your pal runs riot on this forum deliberately going out of her way being rude, crass, winding up posters and her passive aggressive use of laughing emojis, it is so damn boring and beyond irritating.
 
I am tempted to comment on the kicking out horse but not sure I cba with the fall out 😂😂

Suffice to say I'd have done the same! A horse that kicks is a liability. On the hunting field kicking a Hound is a cardinal sin, and kicking anything else is equally bad. A swift couple down the ribs is the best way to nip it in the bud.

I'm sure some will disagree but am merely being honest. Generally speaking a true hunter knows it's boundaries.

Am now taking cover armed with chocolate donning my flak jacket 😂
 
I rarely get involved in these types of posts but your pal runs riot on this forum deliberately going out of her way being rude, crass, winding up posters and her passive aggressive use of laughing emojis, it is so damn boring and beyond irritating.

Ah another who prefers to shoot straight from the hip. So refreshingly honest and welcome IMHO.
 
I rarely get involved in these types of posts but your pal runs riot on this forum deliberately going out of her way being rude, crass, winding up posters and her passive aggressive use of laughing emojis, it is so damn boring and beyond irritating.
I don't honestly think that is her intention. The laughing emoji is trying to get her out of the hole she's dug herself by trying to appeal to the people hounding her and trying to make light of the comments fired her way. It's certainly not intended to be passive aggressive.

She'd no more pour boiling sugared water on cats than she would deliberately harm her horse.

People take things out of context to suit the narrative. I often say I'll put my boot under the dogs arse when she spends ten minutes sniffing the ground when I'm asking her to get in the car but I'd never do it. Let's apply some common sense.

This is what I will never get my head around, this forum can elevate people and make them feel amazing by kind words and actions but by the same token it can equally push people into the pit of despair by cruel or unthinking words.

We are on here for the same reason, because we love horses, dogs, rabbits, hedgehogs, snails, rats, cats, bats and everything in between. Let's not bring each other down, please.
 
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Admittedly, my eyes are not much younger than yours Mrs J, but I didn't see these multiple whacks that are being discussed.

I don't suppose that this thread is the best place to 'confess' that I hit my horse with a plastic feedbag full of hay recently when she threatened to kick me as I was spraying her hind legs to deal with a minor wound. I don't worry about the 'Riverdance' that we usually have but I won't put up with threats to kick.
 
Just to clarify, is it just the word barbaric folk are taking offence to or just thinking there is nothing wrong with the clip?

@Pearlsasinger i think the person behind gave one crack with their whip but the rider gave at least 2 that I saw and heard too. I think that’s where the multiple smacks came from.
 
I'd be interested to hear BBs explanation of the cat post. She could of course say she'd never dream of doing that to any animal 🤷🏼‍♀️
Of course I wouldn’t 🤣🤣

Ive posted plenty of beautiful pictures of cookie the yard cat on here.


Not directed at you @Bellaboo18 ..

But look at you all , you all love a feast..

Eat away there is plenty to go around

Burn her at the stake for making a flippant comment 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Digging out posts from years ago shows the maturity level, tit for tat…there are plenty of people I respect on this forum and often read and comment on their posts, and I can honestly say that above there are about 8 maybe more blocked. Your opinion or views make not a jot of difference.
I actually dont care, I dont come on the forum to disagree or quote peoples posts just to disagree either 🤣you do though but whatever tickles your fancy.
At least its kept your fingers all busy this afternoon 🤗
 
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I think Barbaric is a bit too strong....

Of course, i don't know Baron Bounty personally but looking at her post and her beloved horse, i really don't think
that she meant it when she talked about hurting some cats.

It was surely tongue in cheek. It can happen to anyone to have a bad day and putting it on a public forum isn't probably to best thing to do
but we all made mistakes.

Please, give her a break.
 
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Of course, i don't know Baron Bounty personally but looking at her post and her beloved horse, i really don't think
that she meant it when she talked about hurting some cats.

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So, do you think she was posting something that wasn’t true?
 
[QUOTE="Janique, post: 15702976, member: 164865"

Of course, i don't know Baron Bounty personally but looking at her post and her beloved horse, i really don't think
that she meant it when she talked about hurting some cats.

So, do you think she was posting something that wasn’t true?
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I told my partner I'd kill him if he left the milk out again.

And this morning there it was, left on the kitchen counter, gone room temperature (I cant abide anything but ice cold milk on my cornfkakes). But guess what.....(drum roll) he's still alive to see another day. 😉 ta da!
 
[QUOTE="Janique, post: 15702976, member: 164865"

Of course, i don't know Baron Bounty personally but looking at her post and her beloved horse, i really don't think
that she meant it when she talked about hurting some cats.

So, do you think she was posting something that wasn’t true?
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I have no dog in this fight and certainly don't wish to buy into any drama, but I think it would be prudent to mention that BB previously worked as a prison warden if my memory serves me correctly (I am 99.9% I remember it written on a previous post), and thus sugar water (which originated and remains a very common prison assault option) would have probably sprung to mind quicker to make a flippant comment than it would to a lay person.
 
So, do you think she was posting something that wasn’t true?

I have no dog in this fight and certainly don't wish to buy into any drama, but I think it would be prudent to mention that BB previously worked as a prison warden if my memory serves me correctly (I am 99.9% I remember it written on a previous post), and thus sugar water (which originated and remains a very common prison assault option) would have probably sprung to mind quicker to make a flippant comment than it would to a lay person.
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Oh I never knew that! I always wanted to be a prison warder but I'd have been eaten for breakfast I suspect. Used to love Prisoner Cell Block H though. I wanted to be like Meg.
 
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I get that you are very angry but please tell me you would not throw hot sugary water at ANY animal? An horrific way to injure and possibly cause an extremely slow and agonising death. 😠
For clarity and balance, BB was politely given the opportunity as quoted above, to reassure that her genius solution to her neighbours cats was written as a rather poor taste off the cuff jest.

She chose not to, so any belated denial now, purely because a good few more people have become aware of such a disgusting and horrific attitude to any animal, does not cut it as far as I am concerned.

I make no apology for anything I have said on this thread or elsewhere on here in connection with this poster or her opinions. On more than one occasion she has been unpleasant and nasty to many, many posters on here and posted other offensive and ugly comments going out of her way to deliberately sow divisive and hostile content to afford herself some sort of self perceived kudos.

Please don't lecture me on being 'nice' etc. etc. Empty words with empty meanings do nothing to combat casual cruelty and lets not forget how many younger or more easily impressed people can read this forum. Is that what we are promoting on here now? I really would like to believe most of us would do our very best to make sure that is not the case, but perhaps that is no longer possible on this forum?
 
Also the rider hit the horse 3 times and the guy behind hit them once
You can hear the smacks if you can’t see them
But they’re clear to see when it plays the second time in slow motion
 
On more than one occasion she has been unpleasant and nasty to many, many posters on here and posted other offensive and ugly comments going out of her way to deliberately sow divisive and hostile content to afford herself some sort of self .. .
I must have missed all this then. I must say I am surprised at these comments. They don't tie up with the person I think know. Although I don't personally know them in RL, I know them from the many conversations we've had off the forum and they have been very supportive when I've felt vulnerable and hurt by things said on here by certain posters.

I guess when you've had this yourself you are more emphatic towards those who are going through it too.

Anyway going to bed now. Still feel rough 🤧🤧
 
I hadn't realised the cat comment was the same poster. Ironic. 🤦‍♀️

Also ironic given that people on this forum were adamant she was riding her 3yr old while it was lame not so long ago. I never saw the videos because she was on UI for so long as she was literally taking over the forum with her drivel and driving me mad, but those saying it are more than experienced enough to spot lameness and not known for stirring trouble for no reason, so I'm inclined to believe them
 
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