Latiano
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and if they are named and shamed they might think twice about doing it
Benefit Cheats Nick and Mair Arnold------its OUR money folks!
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and if they are named and shamed they might think twice about doing it
ponypilotmum
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I don't know quite what you expect? Should we make job seekers homeless? Because that would REALLY help them to find work
If you cared to read what I had posted rather than seeing how many extra letters and exclamation marks you can fit in one sentence to add a bit of drama to your point, you'd see I don't condone any kind of fraud.
Some just affects us more directly than others. Ie your local MP claiming expenses, because THAT comes directly out of YOUR bank, whereas benefits don't.
That, my dear, is my point.
perfect11s
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OK poppet , personaly I would like to see national service brought back, and I blame Labour for the present mess of uninmployment esp the young, they realy screwed us with there failed education policys and allowing uncontroled immigration which has driven down wages and shut the unskilled young out of the jobs market...I don't know quite what you expect? Should we make job seekers homeless? Because that would REALLY help them to find work
If you cared to read what I had posted rather than seeing how many extra letters and exclamation marks you can fit in one sentence to add a bit of drama to your point, you'd see I don't condone any kind of fraud.
Some just affects us more directly than others. Ie your local MP claiming expenses, because THAT comes directly out of YOUR bank, whereas benefits don't.
That, my dear, is my point.
Seahorse
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The lower rate care which is £18.95 a week you get if you can't cook a meal for yourself. I assume if someone is dyslexic then they cant read cooking instructions??
I only get that even though I'm in a wheelchair and can't stand up for more than a few minutes without being in horrendous pain.
I've had to appeal to get mobility allowance as when I first applied I was told I wasn't disabled enough :
Benefit cheats bloody piss me off, there's no way I could walk around like that, look after 1 horse let alone about 8 of them! I've had to loan out my precious horse because I can't look after him (or afford him) I've been on £80 a week SSP since May last year which ran out in december. Tomorrow I've got to go for a medical to see if I can get ESA and I got 'awarded' lower rate care of £18.95 a week last month, wow what am I going to do with all that money...
I only get that even though I'm in a wheelchair and can't stand up for more than a few minutes without being in horrendous pain.
I've had to appeal to get mobility allowance as when I first applied I was told I wasn't disabled enough :
Benefit cheats bloody piss me off, there's no way I could walk around like that, look after 1 horse let alone about 8 of them! I've had to loan out my precious horse because I can't look after him (or afford him) I've been on £80 a week SSP since May last year which ran out in december. Tomorrow I've got to go for a medical to see if I can get ESA and I got 'awarded' lower rate care of £18.95 a week last month, wow what am I going to do with all that money...
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Lila
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Wow you making it out like I chose to be out of a job.
I was on it for about 6 weeks and hated every minuet of it. Its embarresing going to that job center every 2 weeks!!
But sorry you must be totally perfect and never had a hard time!!!
ponypilotmum
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And what does that have to do with people claiming disability benefits fraudulently?
Education has failed people for many many years. And with the current government I can see many many more being failed. The cuts currently being made in education are shocking.
I would hope you never find yourself long term sick or redundant. And if you did, would you appreciate being 'made' to do national service because of that?
You can't blame everything on labour government with one hand and punish the unemployed for it. One's to blame, or the other.
There are scroungers in every walk of life, and yes, politicians go to prison, along with people who evade paying tax, and guess what, benefits cheats.... I just don't understand the hysteria. We don't have this hysteria over politicians and tax evaders, the ones who really do take directly from your wage packet.
bonny
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Finally a voice of reason amongst all the jumping on the bandwagoners (is that even a word ?)
AmyMay
Situation normal
When you read this - and listen to the story of the woman on Radio 2 just now who can't afford to eat since loosing her job, it makes me even angrier to think that there are people out there cheating the sytem out of thousands of pounds each year.
Despite what an earlier poster said - it does come out of my pocket, and I do fund their lifestyle because I pay taxes.
Lock them up, and quite frankly throw away the bloody key.
bonny
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When you read this - and listen to the story of the woman on Radio 2 just now who can't afford to eat since loosing her job, it makes me even angrier to think that there are people out there cheating the sytem out of thousands of pounds each year.
Despite what an earlier poster said - it does come out of my pocket, and I do fund their lifestyle because I pay taxes.
Lock them up, and quite frankly throw away the bloody key.
It costs an awful lot more to lock somebody up !
cindars
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This is also on the Arab websites as well. I was really shocked to see who it was used to really enjoy the articles written by him in one of the arab mags.
s someone asked on the arab forum what will happen to the stud if they are jailed?
s someone asked on the arab forum what will happen to the stud if they are jailed?
foxy1
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I think by jumping on the Daily Mail bandwagon it gives people someone to be angry at?
Benefit cheats, Immigrants etc.??
Unite against the common enemy and all that.
There is not this much outrage about armed robbers for example.
Benefit cheats, Immigrants etc.??
Unite against the common enemy and all that.
There is not this much outrage about armed robbers for example.
Fairynuff
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Nice to see that the so called 'pillars of society' are nabbed alnong with the 'chavs'. I always enjoyed nabbing the former more than your knuckle dragging eedjit whos aim in life is to procreate as many children as possible and preferably not using the same partner more than once.
Fairynuff
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Armed robbers here in Italy are at 'high risk' of being shot so at least they are risking more than just a public shaming/short prison sentence and having to pay back what they stole by having a small amount subtracted from their weekly giro. Dole frauders are parasites..end of.
I hope they manage to find homes for their horses, that way they can pay us all back in a one off'er!
Always Blue
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I in no way condone benefit cheating, claiming what not entitled to etc etc. but I agree with some here have to say too...why not set up a thread about the disgusting murderers, sex offenders, burgalars and 'proper' criminals??
at the end of the day these people who cheat the system are not harming anyone as such...just trying to get as much as they can out of this 'ridiculous' government we have in this country.
also if there wasn't such thing as benefit cheats then we would still be taxed all the same so whats the difference!!
at the end of the day these people who cheat the system are not harming anyone as such...just trying to get as much as they can out of this 'ridiculous' government we have in this country.
also if there wasn't such thing as benefit cheats then we would still be taxed all the same so whats the difference!!
Fairynuff
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these threads can be set up if required. We are not talking about murderers., pedo's and co. We are talking about benefit fraudsters. There is no point in discussing moon travel with the ideal growing conditions of windowsill herbs...me thinks!n XXX
Always Blue
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yes but what I was trying to say was that we would still be taxed the same way and the same amounts even if there wasn't any benefit fraudsters...so why does it affect us taxpayers???
Serephin
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thats a very naive comment - of course it effects taxpayers!
I am disappointed to see people defending benefit fraud, as if it is nothing to worry about, no big deal. Thats why people do it, because as a society we are accepting of it - it used to be frowned upon to be jobless and feckless, these days it is heralded as the holy grail of existence. And to stand up against it you are labeled as alarmist of reactionary.
And for the record I have as much contempt for all the dregs of humanity. All the entitlement whingers, the layabout good for nothing scum, the off the chain greedy bankers, the selfish out of touch politicians, murderers, rapists etc etc - the whole fecking lot.
brigantia
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Of course, people are right to be angry about benefit cheats, because it steals money away from us all, especially those who have a *genuine* reason to be on benefits.
Just because people aren't afraid of expressing anger at benefits cheats, doesn't make them blind Daily Mail zombies. Because a lot of us are *also* angry about low corporate taxes, undertaxed bankers, expense account cheating MPs and the rest of it. It's all bad and robs from the common good.
Just because people aren't afraid of expressing anger at benefits cheats, doesn't make them blind Daily Mail zombies. Because a lot of us are *also* angry about low corporate taxes, undertaxed bankers, expense account cheating MPs and the rest of it. It's all bad and robs from the common good.
Always Blue
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but your perfect?? also very naive
Serephin
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quality response, thanks.
bonny
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People defraud the system because they can, in the same way that other's lie on their tax returns, or their expenses forms etc. Or turn to crime.....none of it's right but it is human nature to try and get more than you are entitled to if you can. The benefits system is an expensive mess and the statistics of how many people claim disability allowances is frightening. Either we have become a nation of liars or their are an awful lot of people unable or unwilling to work.
The answers are not easy but locking up the few who get caught cannot be the solution. It costs more to lock someone up and if it works the prisons would be empty rather then overcrowded. I think for alot of people they see an easy way out of their situation, yes it's money for nothing and it's wrong but it seems to be easy to do. Much the same with other people who defraud the system......and that includes most of us to some extent !
The previous reply saying that it doesn't affect what taxes we pay is right. It's a very small amount of the taxes we pay that goes to fraudalent benfit claimers and if they all stopped over night taxes would not go down. In fact we pay more to have teams of people trying to catch them than the amount that they save.
I still say naming and shaming individuals is wrong
The answers are not easy but locking up the few who get caught cannot be the solution. It costs more to lock someone up and if it works the prisons would be empty rather then overcrowded. I think for alot of people they see an easy way out of their situation, yes it's money for nothing and it's wrong but it seems to be easy to do. Much the same with other people who defraud the system......and that includes most of us to some extent !
The previous reply saying that it doesn't affect what taxes we pay is right. It's a very small amount of the taxes we pay that goes to fraudalent benfit claimers and if they all stopped over night taxes would not go down. In fact we pay more to have teams of people trying to catch them than the amount that they save.
I still say naming and shaming individuals is wrong
Serephin
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I would say both.
it is still a waste of other people's money regardless of how small the amount is to you.
People used to be put in the stocks so they could be publicly shamed in front of theirs peers. I see nothing wrong with naming and shaming, maybe it will make people think twice. Half the problem is that more and more people have no shame.
perfect11s
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Not what I wanted people to think just that cash or payment the system is paying out and if you were
in need I have no problem ,the system should be there to help the needy, help people get
back on there feet.... not as a alterntive to contributing to socity...
perfect11s
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Sorry but this
attitude is.... in a nut shell why we are in a mess ... shocked and disapointed that you think antisocial behavour is "just human nature" and there isnt any thing we can do. so if crime touches your life you would just shrug and say oh well.!!!?? the reason we police things is so people understand there is a negative to doing just as you please, for the good of the majority...
bonny
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If it's not human nature then why do so many people do it ?
Most people will try and get something for nothing.....very, very few of us have never cheated the system in some way, even if it's just adding a few extra miles on an expenses sheet.
Oh and crime has touched my life and yes, I shrugged.
You need to see things how they really are if we are to have any hope of changing things.
Me, a cynic ? Guess I am, and I despair how alot of people live their lives ......
pip6
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Surely these people made a positive choice to lie in order to obtain money fraudulently? As such, why not name them when their lies are uncovered? They put themselves in this position, it's no-one elses fault.
I used to work with secondry school children in an area where many lived on benefits. They had no desire to work (at school), because they saw their parents with a house, car, clothes, beer, fags, tv, holiday each year & all the free time they wanted to do what they wanted as they were on benefits. The children had no desire to go out to work & have to sacrifice time & all these perks just to try & get what their parents had. If they screwed up school, were unemployable, they'd get everything for nothing as well & couldn't see an issue with it. They thought I was the stupid one for having a job & working for a living.
An aquaintence (very nice person) is living on disability. he has a house, car (on mobility - lovely new Quasqai), eats take aways every night, smokes like a chimney. Yes he is killing himself & aggrevating his conditions which others manage & work with, it is self-inflicted. I couldn't afford to live like he does. Why isn't he penalised for making his condition worse through his own actions? The drive is to stay that ill, otherwise his benefits will decrease & he may be able to do a small job.
Support for people in trouble yes, long term financial security no. The ethos of the system has to change. It needs to pay to work. Those who abuse the system should be shamed, they are cheating everyone who works & pays taxes.
I used to work with secondry school children in an area where many lived on benefits. They had no desire to work (at school), because they saw their parents with a house, car, clothes, beer, fags, tv, holiday each year & all the free time they wanted to do what they wanted as they were on benefits. The children had no desire to go out to work & have to sacrifice time & all these perks just to try & get what their parents had. If they screwed up school, were unemployable, they'd get everything for nothing as well & couldn't see an issue with it. They thought I was the stupid one for having a job & working for a living.
An aquaintence (very nice person) is living on disability. he has a house, car (on mobility - lovely new Quasqai), eats take aways every night, smokes like a chimney. Yes he is killing himself & aggrevating his conditions which others manage & work with, it is self-inflicted. I couldn't afford to live like he does. Why isn't he penalised for making his condition worse through his own actions? The drive is to stay that ill, otherwise his benefits will decrease & he may be able to do a small job.
Support for people in trouble yes, long term financial security no. The ethos of the system has to change. It needs to pay to work. Those who abuse the system should be shamed, they are cheating everyone who works & pays taxes.
bonny
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Ok, so if we all agree that the system is wrong, how does it change ?
You suggest penalising your friend for making his condition worse, does that include all of us ? People who choose to smoke, are overweight, don't excerise etc are a huge burden on the NHS - should we not pay our taxes to help them ?
There are millions of people unemployed either because they choose to be or because they cannot find a job, what do we do with them all ?
There are no easy answers ...maybe no answers at all so it's easier just to blame the occasional fraudster who gets caught .....
Tzarinaarabians
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She always wears a dress whether doing the horses or at a show.
The whole of the UK arab fraternity is annoyed by what has happened, and as it does not show them in a good light, no one is going to have any sympathy with them, so if the person who feels that this subject shouldnt be on this forum, how would they feel if it was their breed society or organisation they belonged to that was associated with this. Not happy, I know.
The whole of the UK arab fraternity is annoyed by what has happened, and as it does not show them in a good light, no one is going to have any sympathy with them, so if the person who feels that this subject shouldnt be on this forum, how would they feel if it was their breed society or organisation they belonged to that was associated with this. Not happy, I know.
ZAHRA
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I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO SHRUG WHEN CRIME TOUCHED YOUR LIFE.
What a stupid and flippant comment to make. Your comment has made me really angry!
Our family house got robbed at 3am in the morning, they stole my dad's merc amoungst other things, a car that my dad had worked really hard to own, he's 60 years old, and has now had to take loan out to replace what originally got stolen.
not to mention the countless time i've had rugs nicked off my horses back, i had well over £3000 worth stuff stolen from my stables not that long ago.
Or do you think a rape victime shrugs after being raped, and then has to deal with what has heppened for the rest of her life? Affecting her relationship with people, and how she see's them.
Sorry but you have no *****ing idea!
Benefit cheats are no better than the people who broke into my house, only imo more sly, i met this nick arnold once and he spoke to me in a upper crust voice-apparently usually talks with a welsh accent
perfect11s
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A great journey begins with one step..