Benefit Cheats Nick and Mair Arnold------its OUR money folks!

i'm of the thought that national service should be brought back, it would help our armed forces, teach these younger people how to give respect and also teach them a trade for later life.

there should obviously be some exceptions to it, the disabled children should not be forced to do national service. also if the child has a secure place at university which would give them a good job afterwards then maybe they should be allowed to do their course. but if they mess up they sign up.

benefit fraud pees me off (any crime does) because my son can't get it because they regard him as a child who should have the care that's needed. he is diagnosed as autistic, same as his brothers. they spout a load of rules at me and think that should put an end to me appealing, it doesn't.

i'm in a similar position to someone above who said about cleaning up **** off the bathroom walls because their child isn't toilet trained. DLA tried to say that it was my fault he isn't toilet trained so i did invite them to stay in my home for a week and show me different, i was told i was being silly for that. i'm fed up with people thinking that my kids are easy and can manage with every day things that we take for granted. they can't.
i could go on but the poster above said it perfectly well about the stress of looking after an autistic child.
 
Petethehunt said:
Because they do have horses makes it worse as a lot of ordinary folk work dam hard to pay for their horses whereas these guys didn't, they got the income from the state.
For all you fraud guys on here why have they been alowed to get away with claiming benefits since 1995 and only be charged for a few months, something is wrong here. All come out in the wash I suppose.
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It could be because when they claimed in 1995 they were claiming legitimately and in fact were genuinely ill. Or it could be that they just can't prove that they weren't disabled prior to starting the investigation, so they have only been able to charge them back to the date the investigation and surveillance commenced.
 
Your link doesn't work for me and I haven't read the whole thread. Benefit cheating is not a good thing but whilst not wishing to open a can of worms a lot of horse business is done ' cash in hand' which cheats the taxmen and ultimately us.

Even calling it a gentlemans agreement doesn't change the fact its cheating the public purse. Can't have it both ways as much as we'd like.
 
Always Blue said:
at the end of the day nobody likes paying the taxman...cos he too is a theiving scumbag!! ;)
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Well I think what brought it home to me was that when you have your hour of need you get a bit fat zilch so I can fully understand anyone wanting to look after themselves if they are in a position to take cash in hand.


I suppose I only raise the point though in that if we are going to be holier than thou over benefit cheats we can't then take cash in hand with a clear conscious as ultimately whether it be benefit fraud or tax evasion the public purse is diminished.

If what you put in is linked to what you can take out I think people will see the system as fairer and be more inclined to be honest. The problem most of us have is those who constantly take out and never contribute anything in,
 
BBH said:
Your link doesn't work for me and I haven't read the whole thread. Benefit cheating is not a good thing but whilst not wishing to open a can of worms a lot of horse business is done ' cash in hand' which cheats the taxmen and ultimately us.

Even calling it a gentlemans agreement doesn't change the fact its cheating the public purse. Can't have it both ways as much as we'd like.
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sort of aggree however if you do cash in hand it all goes back in the system in the end, and maybe suports the more
discretionary spending on hobbys and jobs in the leisure industy that you would avoid if it was by way of a credit card, so we do a cash deal and feel like a little treat so go out for a meal or go in to a tack store and feel more inclined to spend on something extra and then vat is paid and money goes back in the economy a win, win for all perhaps....
 
Just to update this thread. Both Mr Arnold and Mrs Arnold got a suspended prison sentance of 95 days suspended for 2 months.
Both are tagged and have a curfew where only one goes out and about from Midday to midnight and visa versa the other.
They had costs to pay of £250 each and paid back all the money they cheated from the system.
 
DipseyDeb said:
I presume you mean he claimed Disability Living Allowance mobility componant......he wouldn't get that for dyslexia!!
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ditto this. My 17 year old son is is a wheelchair and is what the kind medical people call Mentally and Physically Retarded (not a label I like but it will do). We had medical checks and he had to get the high rate disability to get a car. I can't work as he is 24 hour care, and guess how much I get as a carer...£53 per week but thankfully hubby is working, this barely pays the desiel on his van.

I hate benefit cheats as it is taking the money from people who really need it, I have to prove everything that is wrong with my son every couple of years or so and its hard to imagine how these scroungers can do it.
 
Ladylina83 said:
Do you know this for sure ? (this is not an attack btw just curious) He is an able bodied 10 year old boy who is on the football team and goes to mainstream school - he has Dyslexia and some mild behavior issues! I am not sure what criteria are used to deem it necessary for the state to give him mobility allowance.
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Not all disabilities are visual. Disability Living Allowance is a very difficult benefit to claim. Backed up with Doctors reports in many cases. So im sure there is something else going on that you are not aware. Not everybody publicises what illnesses, disease or disabilities they have. :)
 
riding_high said:
i'm of the thought that national service should be brought back, it would help our armed forces, teach these younger people how to give respect and also teach them a trade for later life.

there should obviously be some exceptions to it, the disabled children should not be forced to do national service. also if the child has a secure place at university which would give them a good job afterwards then maybe they should be allowed to do their course. but if they mess up they sign up.

benefit fraud pees me off (any crime does) because my son can't get it because they regard him as a child who should have the care that's needed. he is diagnosed as autistic, same as his brothers. they spout a load of rules at me and think that should put an end to me appealing, it doesn't.

i'm in a similar position to someone above who said about cleaning up **** off the bathroom walls because their child isn't toilet trained. DLA tried to say that it was my fault he isn't toilet trained so i did invite them to stay in my home for a week and show me different, i was told i was being silly for that. i'm fed up with people thinking that my kids are easy and can manage with every day things that we take for granted. they can't.
i could go on but the poster above said it perfectly well about the stress of looking after an autistic child.
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He must be high functioning on the autistic spectrum (ie Asbergers) to not qualify for DLA?
 
kinky, have you gotten support from Cerebra? They are fantastic for kids with neurological conditions including autism, PDD-NOS, GDD etc? Were you turned down for DLA? A lot is due to the wording used, pm if I can help at all?
 
riding_high said:
i'm of the thought that national service should be brought back, it would help our armed forces, teach these younger people how to give respect and also teach them a trade for later life.

there should obviously be some exceptions to it, the disabled children should not be forced to do national service. also if the child has a secure place at university which would give them a good job afterwards then maybe they should be allowed to do their course. but if they mess up they sign up.
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Wow.... Just wow.... :rolleyes:
 
Petethehunt said:
Just to update this thread. Both Mr Arnold and Mrs Arnold got a suspended prison sentance of 95 days suspended for 2 months.
Both are tagged and have a curfew where only one goes out and about from Midday to midnight and visa versa the other.
They had costs to pay of £250 each and paid back all the money they cheated from the system.
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Bet they'll still keep their horses, who will now suffer as a result!!
 
janet horse said:
I think the interest is that Nick and Mair are arabian horse judges
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Were not are.

Taken from the AHS shows and events website...

AHS JUDGES, DCs AND STEWARDS The 2011 book AHS List of Judges, DCs and Stewards is available from Windsor House, or by completing this form

Amendments received since publication:

********* has a new address. 950 Atherton Road, Hindley Green, Wigan, Lancashire. WN2 4TA.

Mr N Arnold is no longer on the List.

********* home number is not in use for judging enquiries.
 
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