BHS exam dress code, oh dear!

Lol just spat my tea out!!! Pretty sure you would get some sort of law suit from the pc mums if you had to use a mankini as a sling! Would love to see the look on their faces though. :)

I'm pretty sure that a mankini is always used as a sling ;)
 
Two of my brothers went to Balliol, and other universities in the UK and USA and regarded wearing the gowns as dressing up. A waste of money but didn't restrict their ability to write or read. I doubt they'd have wanted to wear it when playing rugby.
That would be silly, wouldn't it ?

Sorry but I don't quite understand your point. It's totally dressing up, I agree - but still just a formal sign of respect. Everyone at my college enjoyed it, and the amount you use your gown soon pays for itself.

Don't quite get your point about rugby though? Rugby is a completely different sport to riding - a gown would actively hamper your playing of the sport, as well as it would very quickly get trashed... however a shirt and tie is our traditional uniform for riding, so it hardly hampers our ability to ride? Not going to get into tweeds as I agree there are more modern materials for jackets that look just as smart. However the point of the debate was the tie... and plenty of the rugby boys in my college had specialist rugby club ties so even the rugby lads like a tie!
 
The point is regarding the suitability of wearing a tie and woollen jacket for equestrian activities.

When I started riding, even lessons required full formal dress attire. I wear it when the occasion demands but its outdated and I'd love to able to wear clothes that are smart but practical.

Some traditions are worth keeping, but dressing up for snob value, isn't.
 
The point is regarding the suitability of wearing a tie and woollen jacket for equestrian activities.

When I started riding, even lessons required full formal dress attire. I wear it when the occasion demands but its outdated and I'd love to able to wear clothes that are smart but practical.

You think that people who choose to wear tweed and perhaps a tie are snobs that's just odd , the man who comes and catches moles wears tweed and a tie and he's definatly no snob .

Some traditions are worth keeping, but dressing up for snob value, isn't.



You think that people who choose to wear tweed and perhaps a tie are snobs that's just odd , the man who comes and catches moles wears tweed and a tie and he's definatly no snob .
 
Have to comment after reading all 10 pages!! I took my stage 3 exam 2 weeks ago. I wore a shirt and tie with a plain navy jumper for the stable management section with my hair all neatly tied back. I personally don't think there is any issue in wearing it as I compete so its not unusual. I always recommend to people to wear what they plan on wearing in exams/competitions so you become used to the clothes and feel comfortable. I love tradition and honestly hope we don't lose it in our sports. And on a slightly different note the older generation always look smart men in trousers/suits and ties and ladies in lovely blouses and long skirts is there going to be a time where this is no longer seen?? Older people will just be in onsies and track suits?? :(
 
The point is regarding the suitability of wearing a tie and woollen jacket for equestrian activities.

When I started riding, even lessons required full formal dress attire. I wear it when the occasion demands but its outdated and I'd love to able to wear clothes that are smart but practical.

Some traditions are worth keeping, but dressing up for snob value, isn't.

The point is that shirt and tie is totally appropriate for formal equestrian occasions - when you say equestrian activities there is such a huge range you can't negate the wearing of tweed in them all, the same as tweed isn't appropriate for them all. However when I want to be smart and show respect to the judges I would still dress smartly and correctly in my tweed!

Again, as I said, if you are used to wearing it it isn't restrictive - I can do anything in my tweed I can do in all the layers I wear for winter riding. It is brilliant in winter for warmth. And I think the main problem with equestrian wear is that there is very little that is both truly smart and truly practical (I absolute despise the new style SJ jackets, don;t look smart at all) - and in a formal situation I would always err towards smart than practical, just for respect. So if looking smart and being respectful towards the judges when I am competing makes me a snob, then so be it.

With regards to the OP, woollen jacket wasn't actually in the original point - the BHS doesn't require a tweed, only a shirt with sleeves and tie, plus jumper in the winter, and plain coloured jodhpurs or breeches. So the point is regarding shirt and tie - and I think there is very little you can say about a tie/stock being INapproriate to wear in an equestrian scenario if it isn't partnered with a jacket - how is it actually impractical? I think that their dress code is perfectly respectable, and not at all snobbish, just smart.

But then I have personally found that a lot more people seem to judge you these days for dressing smartly than casually - there is a lack of notice to people being 'underdressed' for an occasion these days. I think it's more inverse snobbery at work!
 
Good luck MaggieStar!

I wouldn't want to wear a tie personally, either - but I'm sure you'll be fine for the day, even if you feel a little out of place in.

Let us know how you get on :)
 
Before I give an opinion on the specific situation at hand, let me hasten to say that I love my tweed, had it specially made to suit my rather odd physique, and wear it happily with a tie or a stock as the discipline I happen to be competing in demands. I've been hunting once, and would love to go again, and would not want to wear a body protector; just as if I were lucky enough to be competing at dressage at a level high enough to wear a top hat, I would surely do so for the test (despite being aware that if I weren't pretty consistent about wearing a hard hat whenever I ride, I probably wouldn't be here). The thing is, I recognise that this attitude is actually pretty illogical, when it comes to what is actually appropriate to the activity at hand given modern technology. Since getting on a horse in the first place is pretty illogical, given modern technology, I'm not about to let this burst of illogic restrain me from doing as I please. However, I wouldn't presume to judge those who are possibly more sensible, and choose to wear body protectors and hard hats in both the situations I mentioned.

Now to the question at hand: when I did a BHS exam, as an adult coming to the UK from a different country, I wore a tie and my tweed and my long boots without complaining (and with pleasure, because I like dressing up), but with a considerable degree of amusement as well. I have never met a person that actually wears such an outfit while teaching or mucking out or general riding, outside of competition (I used to wear my long boots all the time because they were all I had, but that quickly destroyed them). There is an argument for looking smart for the ridden and theory portions of the exam, and one might argue that competition clothing is "equestrian smart", and therefore is appropriate. But wearing expensive tall boots, a tweed (which these days is pretty expensive too, often far more than a normal show jacket), and a probably light-coloured shirt (with or without male neckwear) for stable chores just seems like demonstrating a lack of common sense!

Traditions are both important and lovely; as a historical performer, I have an enormous professional interest in tradition. However, in the more practical sides of life, they often go the way of the Dodo for a reason. And sometimes, a tradition can be downright harmful. In the case of formal clothing (at competitions or otherwise) it's often charming. I love flapping about the university in my gown, and wish there were more occasions to do so. I love wearing a beautiful stock in the ring. But for an exam that is meant to assess your suitability to be professionally mucking out stables and grooming horses, wearing a shirt and tie seems more than a little silly.
 
I think part of the fun with horses is that occasionally you do get to look neat and tidy - polished even. A change from normal scruffy self. (In fact that was a nickname at school I had - scruffy :)).
 
Yes but it is a sign of respect. What you wear has no reflection of intelligence - it's just a sign of respect for the examiners who are giving up however many hours to watch you panic, then however many hours to mark your papers, then however many hours of trying to collate results and get them back to you. It harks back to when things were more formal, and how you dressed was a visible mark of respect - and respect was much quicker to be shown to people in authority. I went to a school that had a uniform, and therefore I had to wear it - doesn't affect my exams etc compared to a school without uniform, it is just a formality!
To be frank, I can't see most examiners taking it that way. In my opinion they are more likely to view it as merely a quaint tradition than anything to do with students' respect (or lack of respect) towards them. The examiners are more likely to take umbrage at poor English in essays, which could be taken as disrespect towards academic ideals, than adherence to a practice which is, after all, prescribed by the University. If gown wearing was voluntary, I think that support for it would quickly wane, not due to lack of respect but because it is more convenient to eschew subfusc. When I was a student, many years ago, respect was shown by how one addressed dons, by one's demeanour and how seriously one took the subject, not by one's choice of clothing.

That said, I have no particularly strong feelings about what the BHS requires of its examinees.
 
People now wear pj's to the shops. I get relieved when I see someone wearing a tie!

Besides a tie can be useful. I rescued a stray horse from the middle of a busy road. I didn't have ropes, head collars or dog leads in the car but a kind man gave me his tie to catch the horse and lead it away
 
To be frank, I can't see most examiners taking it that way. In my opinion they are more likely to view it as merely a quaint tradition than anything to do with students' respect (or lack of respect) towards them. The examiners are more likely to take umbrage at poor English in essays, which could be taken as disrespect towards academic ideals, than adherence to a practice which is, after all, prescribed by the University. If gown wearing was voluntary, I think that support for it would quickly wane, not due to lack of respect but because it is more convenient to eschew subfusc. When I was a student, many years ago, respect was shown by how one addressed dons, by one's demeanour and how seriously one took the subject, not by one's choice of clothing.

That said, I have no particularly strong feelings about what the BHS requires of its examinees.

When the student vote on making subfusc voluntary went ahead, we asked a few of our fellows about it - and the respect thing was what they said. Respect for tradition an respect for the people who uphold those traditions, being the dons who give up their time for you. I know a lad who tried to turn up for an end of term academic meeting in a hoodie and jeans as he's overslept - the DoS in question took real offense, not just because it is required dress, but because not bothering to wear it when the don has given up his time to 'dress up' as well is just a sign of bad manners and disrespect.

I agree that is subfusc became voluntary it would disappear, but that's why the students voted a huge majority to keep it mandatory - otherwise it would disappear by default. And you can't really go to a uni like Cambridge or Oxford, or I believe St Andrews also does the whole gown thing, without getting on board with all the traditions. And that's kind of how I feel about smart dress in shirt, tie/stock and jacket for equestrian competition as well.
 
When I was a student, many years ago, respect was shown by how one addressed dons, by one's demeanour and how seriously one took the subject, not by one's choice of clothing.

Er, right......

No one is suggesting that respect is shown SOLELY by clothing.
Do you think, however, that it would be respectful for someone to turn up in jeans and a hoody, blatantly ignoring the dress code and flouting the rules, as long as they gave a polite 'Good Morning!' on the way in?

I don't.
 
I agree that is subfusc became voluntary it would disappear, but that's why the students voted a huge majority to keep it mandatory - otherwise it would disappear by default. And you can't really go to a uni like Cambridge or Oxford, or I believe St Andrews also does the whole gown thing, without getting on board with all the traditions. And that's kind of how I feel about smart dress in shirt, tie/stock and jacket for equestrian competition as well.
Actually Cambridge doesn't do the gown-in-exams thing. Gowns must be worn at formal occasions like graduation, and when students eat in Hall (as opposed to the Buttery). Otherwise, they are optional.
 
No one is suggesting that respect is shown SOLELY by clothing.
Do you think, however, that it would be respectful for someone to turn up in jeans and a hoody, blatantly ignoring the dress code and flouting the rules, as long as they gave a polite 'Good Morning!' on the way in?
As I said, I don't have strong feelings on the matter. Turning up for a BHS exam in jeans and hoody would show a lack of sense for safety and function worthy of significant mark deduction or even failure. I personally think that one should look smart (as well as dressing sensibly) for such exams. I'm less sure that not conforming 100% to a specific dress code should be a reason to fail a student.
 
Other sports with a long tradition have moved on, so why do some disciplines in equestrianism cling on to their outdated clothing ?
Golf,lacrosse, swimming, tennis, cycling, mountain climbing etc, etc have abandoned the restrictive and impractical dress for styles that give freedom of movement and are cool or warm as required.

Some equestrian sports have grown up, like point to point, XC and endurance. What other sport other than for example, showing or hunting, requires you to dress in a tie and woollen tweed jacket in a heat wave or in freezing driving rain ?

The dressage at the Olympics was embarrassing. The ridiculous tail coats and top hats without straps detracted from the skill of the athletes and served no purpose. Riders sweltered in the heat or got soaked during downpours when riding.

Hunting in a hat without a harness ? Tradition or idiotic ? Do racing cyclists wear a helmet without a strap ?

It's time we grew up and stopped playing fancy dress. The BHS should take the lead. Smart doesn't mean you can't be practical too.

What- may I ask- is wrong with a bit of tradition? Yes, some equestrian sports have come forward with their fashions and safety gear, and others (like showing and hunting and dressage) remain behind a bit. I personally think there's nothing smarter than someone turned out for hunting, I love the iconic image that has remained virtually unchanged for hundreds of years. I think that is amazing. There can't be many other sports where items of clothing/ equipment can stay in families for generations and still be used, and not made defunct to an attic to become a relic.

As for dressage... again I find nothing more elegant than dressage riders in tops and tails. Yes they don't wear hats, but thats a risk they take. You can't say they influence other lower level dressagers that much because its mandatory to wear a hard hat in the lower levels of competition.

As much as I don't like the BHS exams, I never had any problems with making the extra effort. I remember buying my first pair of leather gaiters especially :) Loved getting dressed up, as I still do for dressage
 
Actually Cambridge doesn't do the gown-in-exams thing. Gowns must be worn at formal occasions like graduation, and when students eat in Hall (as opposed to the Buttery). Otherwise, they are optional.
I know it doesn't - I'm a Cambridge girl myself (went to Pembroke) but my BF was at Oxford so I spent a lot of time there too. But we still had to wear gowns for college dinners, formal hall, meetings with the Dean or Senior Tutor or Proctor, going to Chapel or singing in the choir, and ofc graduation and matriculation, so would have to wear it several times a week. (Different colleges have different rules, some require gown wearing more than others, Trinity being one of the most strict).

By saying Oxford, Cambridge and St A does gowns I meant in general, for formal occasions. I do stand by the fact students who don't want to get on board with the traditions though are missing half the point of the place. There are plenty of great unis in academic standard, but Oxbridge is about tradition.

We were all used to dressing subfusc on a regular basis so wouldn't really have impacted us more by dressing for exams - and when the Oxford vote went on the Cambridge student press all supported them. We've lost our need to dress for exams, but it's just another lost tradition where we try so hard to maintain them at Oxbridge.
 
I know it doesn't - I'm a Cambridge girl myself (went to Pembroke) but my BF was at Oxford so I spent a lot of time there too. But we still had to wear gowns for college dinners, formal hall, meetings with the Dean or Senior Tutor or Proctor, going to Chapel or singing in the choir, and ofc graduation and matriculation, so would have to wear it several times a week. (Different colleges have different rules, some require gown wearing more than others, Trinity being one of the most strict).
St. Johns may have been one of the less strict ones - I remember having to wear my gown only a few times in a year, for formal hall (though I ate in the Buttery as a rule). I only went to Chapel twice during my whole time there - to give a reading (which all students had to do at least once) and for a carol service. And once each at Matriculation and Graduation, of course. I formally met The Master ("You will obey me!") only once and I don't recall having to wear my gown to see my Tutor, but that only happened once a year anyway.
 
St. Johns may have been one of the less strict ones - I remember having to wear my gown only a few times in a year, for formal hall (though I ate in the Buttery as a rule). I only went to Chapel twice during my whole time there - to give a reading (which all students had to do at least once) and for a carol service. And once each at Matriculation and Graduation, of course. I formally met The Master ("You will obey me!") only once and I don't recall having to wear my gown to see my Tutor, but that only happened once a year anyway.

Yeah, sounds like you definitely had it a bit less formal than us! I know Trinity, Magdalene and Emma had it that bit stricter, like us at Pembroke, think some of the newer colleges were more relaxed as well. But Pembroke had formal hall every night, plus being a member of our college ladies' "sporting society" ;) we spent a lot of time in and out of our own and various other college's formal halls - plus society dinners, subject dinners, boat club dinners, I did dinners with alums to help with fundraising, black tie drinks evenings, Chapel (had friends in the choir and who did readings/music so we often went), various meetings and ofc matric and grad so we did wear ours several times a week. Pembroke probably is quite traditional but we all loved it, so I do feel fairly strongly about it. (Although didn't feel that strictly traditional compared to visiting the BF over in Oxford...)

ETA Pembroke did formal hall every night whilst we were there, a lot more than other colleges, so our college did have a culture of going to formal before most nights out, for birthdays, when friends had visitors from outside Cam... so we did go to formal probably once or twice a week at least.
 
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Just had a thought... Does the ABRS have the same dress requirements as BHS for their exams?

Yes - From the syllabus for their teaching certificate

'The candidate’s appearance will be taken into account. We do expect candidates to wear clean hacking jackets or smart riding wear. Shirts, ties and hard hats will be expected'
 
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