Biker does 104mph past horse

My horse is road safe, and I was not on a road when this happened (I did not state that I was) I was merely pointing out that horses can spook at anything at any time hence A slower speed would give drivers sufficient time to stop. So please get ur facts straight before u start insulting people!
 
MochaDun said:
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tearing-past-girl-horse-104mph-Yorkshire.html

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Capriole said:
has the clip gone or is it just me tht cant see it?
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I've watched it once, but now it wont seem to play. Perhaps it's my comp. Anyway, you will clearly see that the bike-rider, AT THE POINT OF PASSING THE HORSE was riding in an entirely responsible and correct manner. You will also notice him nod to the rider, presumably in acknowledgement of the girls thanks.

Far be it from me to suggest that the Mail have yet again misquoted a Police Officer, but if they are correct, and she did actually claim that the rider was doing 104 mph, AS HE PASSED THE HORSE, then she should be prosecuted for perjury, and the biker should, and would successfully appeal his sentence.

Alec.
 
martlin said:
I think it is a bit academic, tbh, horse or no horse, travelling at over 100 mph is an automatic driving ban anyway, no?
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That's exactly what I thought?

He's getting a ban anyway whether the horse is there or not. Over a tonne on a single carriage road? No way he was keeping his license. And that is completely right and fair.

That said, seems to me like he was perfectly courteous to the girl on the horse. Typical Daily Fail that one!

I like bike riders. As lots of people have said they're usually the most horse aware motor vehicle users. I guess because we're in a similar 'vulnerable' road user position. Two past me out hacking today, they were super.
 
Alec Swan said:
I've watched it once, but now it wont seem to play. Perhaps it's my comp. Anyway, you will clearly see that the bike-rider, AT THE POINT OF PASSING THE HORSE was riding in an entirely responsible and correct manner. You will also notice him nod to the rider, presumably in acknowledgement of the girls thanks.
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Oh yes, I did watch it before my first post and was planning to watch it again, but it disappeared for a while then it was back again. Probably my computer.
 
Coloured cob - I was not insulting YOU - so read replays properly before slinging mud..! You said imagine of the horse was not road safe - ie the horse in the VIDEO..!! I said its irresponsible and idiotic if it's not..!! So perhaps u need to get your facts straigh before jumping the gun..!! I'm not the type of person who would directly insult anyone, real life or a forum..!!! Unlike others on here.
 
I find the majority of bikers slow down and are considerate, too which I give a smile and a thank you nod, on the video he does look like he slows down when he see's the horse rider.

I see some of the usual idiot comments from ignorant *******s in the commnet section NOA
 
Ah, glad to see there are some others on this forum who have the same opinion as me.

I wondered whether I would come back on here tonight only to be found I had been hung drawn and quartered overnight for daring to say the biker was given a rough deal :rolleyes:

Some horse riders just need to take a chill pill and if they don't feel safe on the roads then don't hack out.

I passed some riders the other day who gave me some really filthy looks for driving past them (2 lane road, I was going in the opposite direction) at 20mph :eek: You would think I had been caning it past them irresponsibly.

I would be interested to know what others opinions are on the correct speed on a main A road with good visibility a car / vehicle should pass a horse(s) out hacking (which do not look spooked etc)?

I personally wave cars on if they slow too much as I know my horses are safe in traffic, assess the road conditions / hazards around me and would prefer traffic to pass quicker so the element of risk is past as opposed to dawdling upside the horse - where I feel it puts me / horse in a more vulnerable position.
 
OFG said:
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Some horse riders just need to take a chill pill and if they don't feel safe on the roads then don't hack out.
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What a stupid comment. Maybe we should apply this to every day life? If you don't want to be stabbed, don't leave your house. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat any food.
 
OFG said:
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I would be interested to know what others opinions are on the correct speed on a main A road with good visibility a car / vehicle should pass a horse(s) out hacking (which do not look spooked etc)?

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A good question.

I was in Germany once, and taken out, with others, for an evening drive with a pair of horses and a four wheel vehicle. From memory there were 5 people aboard, and there were cars passing us, in excess of 70 mph. Cars passed at such speed that they rocked our vehicle. The horses batted not an eyelid, nor did anyone else, so presumably it was an everyday occurrence for them. Not me it wasn't, and the drive down the front drive came as a relief. It was madness, or so I thought at the time.

It also posses the question, whether horses really should be on any public highway, considering the speed of modern traffic.

I drive around our country lanes, extensively and daily, and I don't suppose that I meet a horse rider more than once every 10 days. My OH rides out daily and I will be honest, I wish that she didn't.

It just isn't realistic, considering the speed of modern traffic, to expect every car driver to creep around at 15 mph, just in case there may be a horse and rider in front of them.

I'm playing at being the devil's advocate here, as having a foot in both camps, I see the problem from both viewpoints.

Alec.
 
elsiecat said:
What a stupid comment. Maybe we should apply this to every day life? If you don't want to be stabbed, don't leave your house. If you don't want to get fat, don't eat any food.
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No, not so stupid when you consider the extremes of reaction from some riders.

My point was to highlight that if a rider feels all traffic should pass them doing 5mph then perhaps hacking on the roads where cars etc are isn't the best thing for them.

Riders shouldn't expect all other road users to come to an almost complete standstill just because they are passing a horse - this is not aimed at all riders BTW just a very small minority.
 
All the discussion about what is a safe speed to pass, seems a little pointless in the context of this thread. The biker was travelling at over 100 mph, on a road with a speed limit of 60mph, as a result of this he was banned from driving. Seems very clear cut to me. I will ask again, why do people feel it is acceptable to break driving laws and which other laws do they think they should be able to break and then be upset at the legal repercussions?
 
Yorksg - if you have never had a speeding ticket you must be in the minority..! Pretty much everyone I've even known has had one even my dad.

Regardless of the speed you were caught be it 34 in a 30 or 104 in a 60

Breaking the law is all the same..!! So unless the people ranting on here are of the few never to have had a speeding fine then maybe they should not be so judgemental - and I think it's fair to say its pretty darn clear from footage he was not passing that horse at above the speed limit. So yes he does deserve the ticket & ban as over a ton is normally a ban but he does not deserve the dramatised headline making out he was near enough responsible for hurts a kid on a horse. Poor man has been set right up..!!!
 
I have once been given a speeding ticket, and so I should have been at the time, as I was breaking the law. If the idiot in the article had not been going at over ONE HUNDRED miles an hour, on a country road, then he would never have opened himself up to the article. He was not set up, he chose to break the law, he then pays the penalty.
 
Yes I have, including the poster who claimed that the biker was innocent and that the police had stitched him up. The article was poor journalism, nothing new there, however the people who are defending this idiots driving, regardless of whether he slowed to pass the horse or not, make me very cross. Speed limits are there for the safety of all road users. I live in an area with very few pavements, children walk to school, people walk their dogs, people walk the mile or so to access public transport. Many drivers go over the 40mph speed limits, as they see no need for the limit, resent the suggestion that they should not go as fast as they like on these roads etc. etc. If people defend this law breaking, then I do not understand them, hence me asking which other laws they feel they should only obey if they want to!
 
People get caught speeding all the time and yes at over 100 but they don't hit a national newspaper over it, perhaps a local one at the most, that's my point. I'm not defending his speeding he deserved the ticket . What he did not deserve was a national newspaper taking the story splashing it across the UK / Internet and him being hung drawn and quartered for it by a bunch of do gooder hipicrots
 
I don't think anyone is defending the speed he was clocked riding at, just saying that he has been given a harder time of it through the supposedly shocking speed he allegedly passed the horse at. I'm a biker (not that you'd know it lol) and I tend to creep very very slowly around horses, however as a rider I've had to ride along very busy main roads before now and have had cars pass me far faster than 40 or even 60 miles an hour. My horse does not react. So as a rider I'll ride where I please knowing my horse is safe, but as a driver I'll pass a horse as slowly as possible whether in my car or on a bike. I'd say at below 20miles an hour most times.
 
Both me and my husband are bikers but before he met me he'd had nothing to do with horses

If he seen a horse while out on his bike he'd slow right down yet once we were driving in car and he went to keep going at around 50 - I was like oi what the hell are you doing.?? Slow down. He turn round and said why.?? Were in a car it's ok that won't bother a horse..??

Oh my heed..!! I then had to explain to his, ok it not noisy like a bike but still wise up
And for him is was lack of knowledge more than trying to endanger anyone etc he just did not really think the horse would car

And I believe alot of car drivers is just ignorance and lack of knowledge - they see a horse almost like passing a push bike.
 
OFG said:
No, not so stupid when you consider the extremes of reaction from some riders.

My point was to highlight that if a rider feels all traffic should pass them doing 5mph then perhaps hacking on the roads where cars etc are isn't the best thing for them.

Riders shouldn't expect all other road users to come to an almost complete standstill just because they are passing a horse - this is not aimed at all riders BTW just a very small minority.
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I can see what you mean, I think. I do however get VERY ticked of with the fact that I ride on rural lanes and get the odd idiots in vans, tankers, cars etc screeching past, revving etc. It really does only take a few seconds extra to slow down and go around us. I'm very curteous to everyone on the roads and I find it disheartening that people can't commit a few extra seconds to their own safety, other peoples and an animal's.
 
elsiecat said:
I can see what you mean, I think. I do however get VERY ticked of with the fact that I ride on rural lanes and get the odd idiots in vans, tankers, cars etc screeching past, revving etc. It really does only take a few seconds extra to slow down and go around us. I'm very curteous to everyone on the roads and I find it disheartening that people can't commit a few extra seconds to their own safety, other peoples and an animal's.
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Yes, sorry I couldn't quite articulate in text what I was trying to say so glad it came over sort of!

Rural lanes, yes, drivers of other vehicles really do need to slow down and drive according to the road type / condition. It's the main roads with 2 lanes that I feel riders need to reassess their perception of vehicle speeds and accept that it is not feasible for all vehicles to crawl past just because they are on a horse.

I too am courteous to other road users and am often like a nodding dog thanking drivers / bikers for slowing / passing carefully while out hacking.

Unfortunately, there will always be the odd inconsiderate rider / car driving / biker who is too wrapped up in their own world to give a dam about others.
 
Just watched the video & no way is the bike passing the horse at an unacceptable speed. The guy has slowed right down & may have had time to slow more if the rider was wearing hi viz.

Bike may have been doing 104 but was never doing that going past the horse... Personally I don't care if cars/bikes come past at 40+ as long as I have room, my pet hate are the cars that sit off your tail for an age when the road is clear & safe to pass
 
The biker pleaded guilty and he said he was going slower round the bends and tried to slow down for the horse. Another biker within minutes of him was doing 112 mph and was also done for it.
 
Never understood why people don't realise if you speed you are taking manslaughter actions. I.e. you cause an accident by speeding and someone dies in that accident every step of what you do is investigated including your speed. Why risk it? Why be selfish? A girl at work hit a lorry on the m1 she was doing 85 and crashed into a speed barrier. It was wet on the road luckily nobody was hurt but they knew what speed she was doing.
 
tango'smum said:
not good .. but where's her hi-viz!!
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From the pictures Ive seen you cant see the full horse. Yes shes not wearing a tabard, but as I said earlier the horse could have a full bridle kit and 4 hi viz boots on, so unless there are other photos/angles I havent seen I dont see how anyone can assume there is no hi viz.
 
moleskinsmum said:
Blimey! No mention of what happened to the horse and rider so am hoping it was a saint. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19758459
ETA - just seen the North Yorkshire Police press release which praises horse's "very good road sense" http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9510
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He dosent do 104mph past the horse, he slows right down, dosent make it right but he does acknowledge that he's seen her and that pony is an absolute superstar, most horses would have turned and run, although she should be wearing hi viz it dosent help the case for riders !!
 
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