bonny
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That’s good news and a truly amazing photo.
Boggle- USA bound!
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meesha
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Sounds promising, gorgeous views ....
BMA2
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What is the rule re "can’t stay at current barn longer than two months not in training”
Surely he'd be doing some sort of rehabilitation? But even if not. Why would he have to move. Sorry if I have missed this information xx
Surely he'd be doing some sort of rehabilitation? But even if not. Why would he have to move. Sorry if I have missed this information xx
Ahrena
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I’m sure Michen will correct me if I’m wrong, but from what she’s told me it’s because it’s a requirement to pay for ‘credits’ on top of the boarding fee which are used for lessons/exercising.
I think it’s fairly common for the USA to have a training/lesson programme as part of your board package.
Michen
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New thing, you can go on a rehab package for two months but any longer it’s TBD. I think from what I understand with this, even IF he was ever to make a full recovery you’re talking a long time.
These training barns rely on you having lessons and schooling rides to make their money, it’s just not really the kind of place that can have broken out of work horses in stalls that could have money generating horses in.
And I get it. They were incredibly kind about his last 4 months of lay up (I’ve been doing most of his rehab- long reining/hacking much isn’t really a thing they do at the barn. Plus I didn’t really want anyone else doing anything with him)
Emilieu
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That looks good for the soul. And no wonder your poor wee soul is needing it. One day at a time- you have been here before and look how that turned out. You just never what is around the corner.
Laurac13
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Try not to worry about the future I know it’s hard especially being in the US and the training barn set up. Neuro issues are difficult as we often don’t know the ‘how or why’ . My boy deteriorated so much over 5 days 3 years ago that the senior partner called me on a Friday evening after multiple visits and various drugs including gamberpanthen ( not sure how it’s spelt) and said ‘just spoil him’ he’s got a week they thought it was a brain tumour he was ataxic in all 4 legs and his skin was twitching all over he was a very sorry state. If it wasn’t the weekend the next day I would have pts but I spent the weekend with him crying my eyes out and saying goodbye but by Monday there was a slight improvement with 200 steroid tablets a day and after 3 months I was riding again. Try to keep positive Bog has a history of Beating the odds 
Michen
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Try not to worry about the future I know it’s hard especially being in the US and the training barn set up. Neuro issues are difficult as we often don’t know the ‘how or why’ . My boy deteriorated so much over 5 days 3 years ago that the senior partner called me on a Friday evening after multiple visits and various drugs including gamberpanthen ( not sure how it’s spelt) and said ‘just spoil him’ he’s got a week they thought it was a brain tumour he was ataxic in all 4 legs and his skin was twitching all over he was a very sorry state. If it wasn’t the weekend the next day I would have pts but I spent the weekend with him crying my eyes out and saying goodbye but by Monday there was a slight improvement with 200 steroid tablets a day and after 3 months I was riding again. Try to keep positive Bog has a history of Beating the odds
Gosh thank you, that’s lifted my spirits a bit. Though hope can be a dangerous thing!
CanteringCarrot
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Man, the scenery where you live is absolutely rubbish, innit? 
Neuro stuff is so...interesting. I know that there can be a few different factors at play, but it's interesting to hear of so many riding their horses again after some sort of "traumatic neuro event" for lack of a better term.
Neuro stuff is so...interesting. I know that there can be a few different factors at play, but it's interesting to hear of so many riding their horses again after some sort of "traumatic neuro event" for lack of a better term.
Michen
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Yeah if the neck arthritis wasn’t a thing I’d probably feel a lot better about this situation. But, it is.
Of the ones that truly recovered I wonder how many had what he has re neck.
Of the ones that truly recovered I wonder how many had what he has re neck.
Michen
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Of all our horses I can’t believe Squirrel, the oldest and with the most mileage is the only one that’s not caused us catastrophic stress and pain.
Ahrena
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What did you go and say that for
I will now go and await Rachel’s phonecallIt’s probs just cos he’s not in either of our care
tda
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So I know nothing about America, but I guess they don't do equine retirement ? What would be fab would be a lower land, massive acreage with sparse grasses that he could go out on with a herd for a year, is there such a thing in Colorado?
Michen
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Yes of course there is! But I don’t think a herd would be good for Boggle. He’s too dominant I think he would get in a fight. He needs a quiet, laid back companion who’s going to ignore him.
Michen
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No significant improvement today. Very disappointing but vet says I need to be patient as could take weeks to months to see any big improvements.
You wouldn’t know anything was wrong to look at him in a straight line or gentle curve at this point. Main issue is crossing over/turn on the spot.
He’s been on high dose steroids for three days so apparently they will taper them a bit tomorrow.
You wouldn’t know anything was wrong to look at him in a straight line or gentle curve at this point. Main issue is crossing over/turn on the spot.
He’s been on high dose steroids for three days so apparently they will taper them a bit tomorrow.
meesha
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The fact that vet is implicating there may be an improvement sounds v promising. He has improved so much since onset.
I know we are all the same worrying but you have done all u can and he IS improving.
Having lost Dex in April after years of retirement due to 2 separate injuries to same leg (second injury as he put his foot through rotten arena board when recovering from first injury) I know about the constant worry and overthinking... The 2 Injuries were followed by compaction colic and hourly monitoring on camera .... Then PTS as leg finally failed within months ......
God they r a worry ...
Give yourself a break, you are doing your best and going above and beyond x
I know we are all the same worrying but you have done all u can and he IS improving.
Having lost Dex in April after years of retirement due to 2 separate injuries to same leg (second injury as he put his foot through rotten arena board when recovering from first injury) I know about the constant worry and overthinking... The 2 Injuries were followed by compaction colic and hourly monitoring on camera .... Then PTS as leg finally failed within months ......
God they r a worry ...
Give yourself a break, you are doing your best and going above and beyond x
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2 Dragons
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I've just had a long catch-up read and boy does my heart go out to you Michen. You are so brave and you love for Boggle shines through.
Michen
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Sandstone1
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The good thing is however small the improvements are they ARE improvements and he is going in right direction. It may be slow but at least he is improving not declining. Stay strong! Look after yourself too as you are no good to Boggle if you make yourself ill.Feel so not brave right now
meesha
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Just realised post sounded doom and gloom, didn't mean it like that. May have had a gin or 2!!
Boggle has totally recovered before and he is improving pretty rapidly this time !!
I know you don't dare hope, but it does sound hopeful !!
Boggle has totally recovered before and he is improving pretty rapidly this time !!
I know you don't dare hope, but it does sound hopeful !!
gunnergundog
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What's a happening? Just having a wobble or any new news?Feel so not brave right now
If just a wobble.....ice cream and wine....not necessarily together..... hang on in there.
Trouper
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Please try and stop meeting those demons before you need to. The "what ifs" and second guessing every scenario are not helping you to deal with all of this - horrendous as it is. I am not suggesting that you don't plan - but plan on the basis of what progress Bog is actually making and not what your galloping mind is imagining. I am sure you have probably done this already but it seems to me that you need a clear indication from your current barn on whether they can take him back or not. I think it would be a bit heartless of them not to take him back, at least for a while, while his recovery is ongoing because familiarity will only help him. If his situation stabilises to a position which does not fit their business model, well that is another issue and obviously you would have to consider alternatives.
But we are not there yet!! Wait and see how the picture unfolds. We are all rooting for the pair of you.
But we are not there yet!! Wait and see how the picture unfolds. We are all rooting for the pair of you.
Michen
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No no more news just feel pretty hopeless. Slept for a few hours and now my friend and I are going off to see him, maybe I’ll think he seems a bit better 
Red-1
I used to be decisive, now I'm not so sure...
I know from when Jay had similar, the watching was terrible. It was ages for him to show an improvement. He too looked great in a straight line or once established on a curve. He too was terrible turning in his own space where he may have to cross. But the steroids did help him, so I have hope for Boggle.
I hope you feel better after visiting him.
I hope you feel better after visiting him.
Michen
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They totally will for a while- he’s absolutely going back there Monday. But probably need to think about elsewhere before Christmas.
Michen
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Thank you, a good reminder I need to be patient and not expect miracles!
meesha
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Keep checking back hoping for good news 
Cavalier
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Me too
Caol Ila
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How was your visit?
Michen
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Visit wasn’t good. Even just grazing him he occasionally staggers behind or buckles a leg. I am not comfortable with the barn hands leading him, it would take one spook…to get to the turnout he has to go up and down a steep hill and honestly I don’t feel happy doing that until he improves.
So I had to have a good chat with the barn manager who was extremely helpful. For the next few weeks I’m going to supervise any turnout and use a little area where her old horse who lives outside is on- bring him into boggles stall for an hour or so whilst I turn boggle out.
He needs to improve enough to safely go up and down the hill to get to his other turnout. Ultimately unless he improves rapidly in the next few weeks this is a ticking time bomb before the snow arrives (and I have to travel for work). I am going to start looking at other options asap- and barn are happy to let me out of my (60 day!) notice period if we get to that point nearer the time. He is in the mountains at the moment so that’s where the snow is feeling too close around the corner compared to the foothills.
What barn is going to want to accept an ataxic horse though? He NEEDS to improve. I’ve also reached out to a rehab barn as well (crazy expensive) but at least that could be a definite he could go to. And I’ve seen several horses come back from there in really impressive condition. Not that he needs rehabbing, he needs rest, but they at least be experienced and know how to deal with him/be willing too.
And here’s another curveball- his test for EPM came back positive. Very mildly and they feel it’s unlikely it could be that as the levels are so mild, but they want to treat him with the drug anyway (it’s extremely expensive, I think like $300 a day or something crazy). I have no idea how long for. The levels basically suggest he was exposed at some point.
So I had to have a good chat with the barn manager who was extremely helpful. For the next few weeks I’m going to supervise any turnout and use a little area where her old horse who lives outside is on- bring him into boggles stall for an hour or so whilst I turn boggle out.
He needs to improve enough to safely go up and down the hill to get to his other turnout. Ultimately unless he improves rapidly in the next few weeks this is a ticking time bomb before the snow arrives (and I have to travel for work). I am going to start looking at other options asap- and barn are happy to let me out of my (60 day!) notice period if we get to that point nearer the time. He is in the mountains at the moment so that’s where the snow is feeling too close around the corner compared to the foothills.
What barn is going to want to accept an ataxic horse though? He NEEDS to improve. I’ve also reached out to a rehab barn as well (crazy expensive) but at least that could be a definite he could go to. And I’ve seen several horses come back from there in really impressive condition. Not that he needs rehabbing, he needs rest, but they at least be experienced and know how to deal with him/be willing too.
And here’s another curveball- his test for EPM came back positive. Very mildly and they feel it’s unlikely it could be that as the levels are so mild, but they want to treat him with the drug anyway (it’s extremely expensive, I think like $300 a day or something crazy). I have no idea how long for. The levels basically suggest he was exposed at some point.
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