Boggle- USA bound!

[Cortez]

It won't take very long for Bog to acclimatise. Those saying that dry cold is different are right, it's extremely arid in Colorado and with little moisture in the air it will feel a lot less chilly at the same temperature. I used to have a heated barn (in Colorado), underfloor, but for us it resulted in all sorts of problems, both with respiratory infections and with horses not coping with going from warm inside to cold outside. I shut it off after 2 winters. In all my years in Colorado I only ever rugged the clipped horses, all the broodmares and youngstock wintered out with field shelters, and I had several TB mares in that lot. The imported mares felt the cold more than the Colorado bred horses. Rug your horse as you see fit, but don't worry, he will get used to it.

Then I moved the whole shebang to Missouri and Oh Boy, did we feel the difference! MO is much hotter in summer, just as cold in winter, and entirely humid. The winters were miserable (so were the summers...), and I did rug in the winter.

 

[SibeliusMB]

feel like he needs Baker Plaid in his life to fully embrace HJer life in USA!

Yeah but then she'll have to pick all the shavings out of the Baker ??

 

[Michen]

https://www.smartpakequine.com/content/colicare

Another thing you add to your plate - with the cost of colic surgery in USA this program which is essentially colic insurance is a good deal. They were great at paying out for clients who needed it.

That’s so helpful thanks!!!

 

[Michen]

Also the banking is so cool. Opened an account and get the actual contact details of someone to email or phone if I need anything - whaaaat!! No more waiting for NatWest on hold!?

 

[Michen]

It won't take very long for Bog to acclimatise. Those saying that dry cold is different are right, it's extremely arid in Colorado and with little moisture in the air it will feel a lot less chilly at the same temperature. I used to have a heated barn (in Colorado), underfloor, but for us it resulted in all sorts of problems, both with respiratory infections and with horses not coping with going from warm inside to cold outside. I shut it off after 2 winters. In all my years in Colorado I only ever rugged the clipped horses, all the broodmares and youngstock wintered out with field shelters, and I had several TB mares in that lot. The imported mares felt the cold more than the Colorado bred horses. Rug your horse as you see fit, but don't worry, he will get used to it.

Then I moved the whole shebang to Missouri and Oh Boy, did we feel the difference! MO is much hotter in summer, just as cold in winter, and entirely humid. The winters were miserable (so were the summers...), and I did rug in the winter.

Guess I’ll find out re heated barn. I’m certainly enjoying it for my raynauds and I assume the barn has no issue with it as there’s plenty of very fancy horses there!

I think it’ll be nice for Bogs hocks.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

It won't take very long for Bog to acclimatise. Those saying that dry cold is different are right, it's extremely arid in Colorado and with little moisture in the air it will feel a lot less chilly at the same temperature. I used to have a heated barn (in Colorado), underfloor, but for us it resulted in all sorts of problems, both with respiratory infections and with horses not coping with going from warm inside to cold outside. I shut it off after 2 winters. In all my years in Colorado I only ever rugged the clipped horses, all the broodmares and youngstock wintered out with field shelters, and I had several TB mares in that lot. The imported mares felt the cold more than the Colorado bred horses. Rug your horse as you see fit, but don't worry, he will get used to it.

Then I moved the whole shebang to Missouri and Oh Boy, did we feel the difference! MO is much hotter in summer, just as cold in winter, and entirely humid. The winters were miserable (so were the summers...), and I did rug in the winter.

I need to get out of this state ?

 

[Cortez]

Also the banking is so cool. Opened an account and get the actual contact details of someone to email or phone if I need anything - whaaaat!! No more waiting for NatWest on hold!?

When i opened a bank account once I got to choose a free gift: a toaster or a gun! I chose the toaster.

 

[DressageCob]

Just because I’m an enabler:

http://www.bakerblankets.com/

The original is a stable rug and a magnet for shavings ?

The poor horse in this photo made me laugh. Looks like a religious lady with that modesty-wear ?

 

[Michen]

When i opened a bank account once I got to choose a free gift: a toaster or a gun! I chose the toaster.

Oh no I haven’t been offered a free gift just lots of candy. And a swarm of people who have supposedly never met an English person. Which I find weird in a city like Denver at one of americas biggest banks..

 

[Cortez]

The poor horse in this photo made me laugh. Looks like a religious lady with that modesty-wear ?

Oh that's just an American-style cooler - no idea why they do it this way.

 

[Cortez]

Oh no I haven’t been offered a free gift just lots of candy. And a swarm of people who have supposedly never met an English person. Which I find weird in a city like Denver at one of americas biggest banks..

Oh yeah, they love an accent (as long as it's not a mexican one )

 

[DizzyDoughnut]

The poor horse in this photo made me laugh. Looks like a religious lady with that modesty-wear ?

Can you leave the horse unattended in one of these or is it the kind of thing they only wear while you walk them round or watch them? It looks like theres not much to keep it in place if it was windy or the horse rolled or an annoying field friend pulled a corner? My youngsters favorite game is grabbing hold of my old ones rug and getting towed round the field.

 

[palo1]

The poor horse in this photo made me laugh. Looks like a religious lady with that modesty-wear ?

But sadly the fabric is acrylic/man made. I was hoping for cotton or wool!

 

[Michen]

It won't take very long for Bog to acclimatise. Those saying that dry cold is different are right, it's extremely arid in Colorado and with little moisture in the air it will feel a lot less chilly at the same temperature. I used to have a heated barn (in Colorado), underfloor, but for us it resulted in all sorts of problems, both with respiratory infections and with horses not coping with going from warm inside to cold outside. I shut it off after 2 winters. In all my years in Colorado I only ever rugged the clipped horses, all the broodmares and youngstock wintered out with field shelters, and I had several TB mares in that lot. The imported mares felt the cold more than the Colorado bred horses. Rug your horse as you see fit, but don't worry, he will get used to it.

Then I moved the whole shebang to Missouri and Oh Boy, did we feel the difference! MO is much hotter in summer, just as cold in winter, and entirely humid. The winters were miserable (so were the summers...), and I did rug in the winter.

Cortez what did you do re shoeing. Bog is due but I’m thinking of just pulling them and using boots if I need for any longer trail riders. Some people here seem to have shoes and pads.

My hesitancy is that last winter when he was barefoot he did get footy after walking in and out over frozen ruts to the field. But I guess there isn’t mud here and therefore ruts not likely…

Would be good to know how you managed.

 

[Denali]

But sadly the fabric is acrylic/man made. I was hoping for cotton or wool!

So baker ain’t what it used to be beyond the pattern. Unfortunately no more wool.

@DressageCob I know very few people who put a cooler on in that manner with the brow strap. ??Modesty wear??

 

[Denali]

Cortez what did you do re shoeing. Bog is due but I’m thinking of just pulling them and using boots if I need for any longer trail riders. Some people here seem to have shoes and pads.

My hesitancy is that last winter when he was barefoot he did get footy after walking in and out over frozen ruts to the field. But I guess there isn’t mud here and therefore ruts not likely…

Would be good to know how you managed.

Obviously you didn’t ask me but, if there are a lot of rocks be careful about stone bruises. I didn’t experience that until I was living in Washington state. We pick rocks like poo in New England.

if he’s good barefoot do it. How I was taught, shoes go on for a reason. So my mare is better in hind shoes. She’s shod all around. I had a gelding that could not deal with shoes his hooves we’re so bad, so got old macs for his front feet. I had a barefoot quarter horse at the same time. Boggle will tell you what he needs.

I don’t know how it is in the UK but in the US people will tell you what you need based on ignorance and that one horse they own. So, what you did for boggle in the UK should work here in the states. If it doesn’t adjust accordingly. Horse keeping is different but not so different that all of your knowledge doesn’t apply.

 

[Michen]

Obviously you didn’t ask me but, if there are a lot of rocks be careful about stone bruises. I didn’t experience that until I was living in Washington state. We pick rocks like poo in New England.

if he’s good barefoot do it. How I was taught, shoes go on for a reason. So my mare is better in hind shoes. She’s shod all around. I had a gelding that could not deal with shoes his hooves we’re so bad, so got old macs for his front feet. I had a barefoot quarter horse at the same time. Boggle will tell you what he needs.

I don’t know how it is in the UK but in the US people will tell you what you need based on ignorance and that one horse they own. So, what you did for boggle in the UK should work here in the states. If it doesn’t adjust accordingly. Horse keeping is different but not so different that all of your knowledge doesn’t apply.

He regularly has shoes on and off in the UK, I am more just asking about the snow build up between barefoot or shoes and pads and how that can be managed.

And what hoof boots may be like in the snow...

 

[Denali]

He regularly has shoes on and off in the UK, I am more just asking about the snow build up between barefoot or shoes and pads and how that can be managed.

And what hoof boots may be like in the snow...

So for snow it really depends. Definitely get borium (I’m probably spelling that completely wrong) on his shoes for the winter for grip. I never got snow pads as you can buy cooking oil spray that will release the snow balls. Rim pads are great if you are going to work a lot outside. I’m that old school New England horsewoman that just hacks but basically give my horses the winter off.
So with his feet he will tell you. Also moving from a wet area I rotate hoof dressings. I use keretex when it’s super wet and peanut oil when it’s super dry. I have found this rotation to be necessary in the western us most especially.

If he’s good barefoot than he’s good barefoot

 

[splashgirl45]

for a horse who has travelled so far he is looking fabulous, not only are you brave taking yourself and your horse all that way, but also brave taking him out in just a headcollar.....

 

[Cortez]

Cortez what did you do re shoeing. Bog is due but I’m thinking of just pulling them and using boots if I need for any longer trail riders. Some people here seem to have shoes and pads.

My hesitancy is that last winter when he was barefoot he did get footy after walking in and out over frozen ruts to the field. But I guess there isn’t mud here and therefore ruts not likely…

Would be good to know how you managed.

I found a good farrier, which took quite a search at the time. I suggest you ask for recommendations in the "english riding" community (i.e. not western, Arabian, saddleseat, gaited). There won't be mud, but there will be ice, and snowpack, and snow drifts. You will also need to get snow tyres and chains.

 

[Caol Ila]

Cooking spray/vasoline/whatever has never worked for me. Either barefoot or pads. You need to do one or the other if the horse is being ridden or turned out in snow.

I wrote an article for HHO because I was so annoyed at for Brits flapping about snow. Get used to climate change, kids. That Gulf Stream is moving. https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/how-to-ride-in-snow-679426

I can tell you that Renegade Vipers are absolutely fine in snow. We had Fin out in snowy Mugdock (laughing joyously....sucks to be the rest of you with shod padless horses...we are from CO, barefoot, and give zero sh*ts) last year and had a great time.

The poor horse in this photo made me laugh. Looks like a religious lady with that modesty-wear ?

Hey, I own one of these! It must be about 25 years old, made out of wool. It somehow made it across the Atlantic with me but mostly lives in my attic.

If you have a sweaty unclipped horse and it's like 15F, you put it on and walk them around to cool and dry them out. Or that's what I did with it. Or, if you're a sane person, you can buy a fleece/wool rug that actually fits with normal rug straps, and if they are stabled overnight, leave them in the rug.

 

[Michen]

I love you Boggle I love you Boggle I love you Boggle.

New 100g stable because his weatherbeeta one has a single strap and pulls against chest, so no good to put a rug on top of.

New 200g stable because his stable rug is the exact same pattern and brand as his 200g turnout (rhino), as I got it in the sale. Confuses things

New 350g turnout- expensive one because the others looked like they had a gap between the neck and I don't want the poor darling getting snow in there

So, I think with that he can wear stable rugs under turnout when needed. And have another stable chucked on top. And I'm going to tag them all and colour code them (not helpful they are all blue!). Thanks to whoever suggested that- sorry I can't remember. I feel like stable rugs under turnouts will be fine here as not as muddy.

Then he has a 200g which seems to have lost filling turnout. I just hope the 100g new stable rug will be ok under a turnout or heavier stable, hopefully yes with the double fronted clips.


So if anyone wants a 6'3 100g liner, 200g liner, 200g rhino stable rug to buy I'll bring it back for ya! Oh and a totally unused 350g...

 

[Pinkvboots]

Going back to the rugs saga I use liners and I just change the top rug accordingly, I can't see how that can cause that much confusion! I find it a fairly easy quick way of rugging really once it's explained to someone it's pretty easy I would think.

 

[Michen]

Cooking spray/vasoline/whatever has never worked for me. Either barefoot or pads. You need to do one or the other if the horse is being ridden or turned out in snow.

I wrote an article for HHO because I was so annoyed at for Brits flapping about snow. Get used to climate change, kids. That Gulf Stream is moving. https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/features/how-to-ride-in-snow-679426

I can tell you that Renegade Vipers are absolutely fine in snow. We had Fin out in snowy Mugdock (laughing joyously....sucks to be the rest of you with shod padless horses...we are from CO, barefoot, and give zero sh*ts) last year and had a great time.



Hey, I own one of these! It must be about 25 years old, made out of wool. It somehow made it across the Atlantic with me but mostly lives in my attic.

If you have a sweaty unclipped horse and it's like 15F, you put it on and walk them around to cool and dry them out. Or that's what I did with it. Or, if you're a sane person, you can buy a fleece/wool rug that actually fits with normal rug straps, and if they are stabled overnight, leave them in the rug.

Great I have vipers!!! So they still get snow ball up in barefoot?

 

[Michen]

Going back to the rugs saga I use liners and I just change the top rug accordingly, I can't see how that can cause that much confusion! I find it a fairly easy quick way of rugging really once it's explained to someone it's pretty easy I would think.

Because to add a layer, ie later on, they have to remove the top layer then put the liner in then clip it in. It's not as easy as just chucking a rug on top and having rugs that can be "standalone"

I wouldn't put stable rugs under turnouts in the UK cos they'd get filthy but I feel like here it'll be ok!

 

[BBP]

I love you Boggle I love you Boggle I love you Boggle.

New 100g stable because his weatherbeeta one has a single strap and pulls against chest, so no good to put a rug on top of.

New 200g stable because his stable rug is the exact same pattern and brand as his 200g turnout (rhino), as I got it in the sale. Confuses things

New 350g turnout- expensive one because the others looked like they had a gap between the neck and I don't want the poor darling getting snow in there

So, I think with that he can wear stable rugs under turnout when needed. And have another stable chucked on top. And I'm going to tag them all and colour code them (not helpful they are all blue!). Thanks to whoever suggested that- sorry I can't remember.

Then he has a 200g which seems to have lost filling turnout. I just hope the 100g new stable rug will be ok under a turnout or heavier stable, hopefully yes with the double fronted clips.


So if anyone wants a 6'3 100g liner, 200g liner, 200g rhino stable rug to buy I'll bring it back for ya! Oh and a totally unused 350g...

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I think your move to the states and associated ‘stuff’ has probably cost you what I earn in 2 years! ?

 

[teapot]

Also the banking is so cool. Opened an account and get the actual contact details of someone to email or phone if I need anything - whaaaat!! No more waiting for NatWest on hold!?

What fresh hell is this?! Boggle looks cracking too!

 

[Caol Ila]

No, they don't. Whether you use the boots or not depends on how many rocks you have to ride over and how well your horse copes with said rocks.

If the rocks are completely covered, I would not bother with the boots at all.

 

[Moobli]

Mostly off topic so apologies, but I’d love to know what the general view is on the reintroduction of wolves into Colorado (by the end of 2023 I believe it is). The proposition was passed with a narrow margin so I imagine it’s a hotly debated topic!

 

[HappyHollyDays]

Great I have vipers!!! So they still get snow ball up in barefoot?

Snow can still ball up barefoot just as mud does. I used to pack Kelso’s feet with good old fashioned axle grease and never had an issue and I hacked out in snow drifts that came up to his knees.