Boggle- USA bound!

[ycbm]

Positive for lymes. I have limited battery and up a ski slope, if anyone wants to do some research that would be great lol. I think if it makes a heise neuro it’s pretty much game over.

I'm glad you have an answer, that alone would make things much easier for me, so I hope it's doing the same for you.
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[Michen]

It’s not really an answer though necessarily, just another “maybe”. I think. And not a great one.

@druid thanks, I’m not even sure whether to bother.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

Positive for lymes. I have limited battery and up a ski slope, if anyone wants to do some research that would be great lol. I think if it makes a heise neuro it’s pretty much game over.

I've gotten it and horses that I've been around too. I lived in a very Lyme prevalent area at one point.

When it affects the brain, then the prognosis isn't so good. The fact that he has the symptoms he has, do lower the probability of a good outcome, but I'm not a veterinary professional.

Still so sorry that you're going through this

 

[CanteringCarrot]

This would fit:

 

[Dust Bunny]

Just caught up with your post from Sunday and want to say that I'm so sorry to hear what you are going through. My thoughts are with you and Atlas.

 

[Michen]

Awesome that I’ve finished off another horse by moving it across the country

I guess that’s why he was so… quiet to “back”.

 

[JenJ]

Awesome that I’ve finished off another horse by moving it across the country

I guess that’s why he was so… quiet to “back”.

No no no no no!

This is NOT on you.

It's just shitty, really shitty, bad luck.

 

[Boulty]

AAEP Infectious Disease Guidelines: Borrelia burgdorferi infection and Lyme disease – AAEP

Infection with Borrelia burgdorferi, the Gram-negative spirochete bacterium that causes Lyme disease, is common in horses residing in regions endemic for Ixodes spp. ticks, and infection prevalence is likely on the rise as tick vectors undergo range expansion. While many horses will become...

aaep.org

This seems to be a fairly recent (5yrs ago) set of guidelines aimed at vets re testing & treatment. Sadly it does seem to agree with what’s already been stated re poor prognosis for the type that causes neuro signs (& that a positive test doesn’t guarantee it’s what’s causing clinical signs… although Cornell seem to suggest their multiplex assay may give more info than some of the other tests available (but then they would say that if test is exclusive to their lab wouldn’t they?!) https://www.vet.cornell.edu/animal-...laboratories/serology-immunology/lyme-disease

 

[Boulty]

Also THIS IS NOT ON YOU! Just really really crappy luck!

 

[nikicb]

This is a rider who is local to me (and you when in the UK). Her horse that she has had for a long time tested positive for Lymes last year in the UK. He is back competing. May be worth looking back at her posts, or contacting her. Have invited you to follow her page on FB. I am so sorry you are going through this. Horses are just utterly draining. x

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[Equi]

I’m so sorry M. That is completely and utterly shit. I don’t know what else to say.

 

[equinerebel]

I liveried with a horse who had lymes and was ataxic. It was rough for a while, but he did make a full recovery.

Michen, I’m so sorry. Take the time you need and not a single person here will judge any decision you make. This is absolutely not your fault. It’s just shit.

 

[Equi]

To add to the rest, it’s not your fault. It is possible he had it before he even came to you.

 

[JFTDWS]

I can understand that it might feel like this is your fault, or that the universe is out to get you - but lymes could happen to any horse. And neuro symptoms - that's more bad luck - but it's not something you could possibly have had any affect on.

If it is the lymes causing these symptoms, it's categorically and absolutely not your fault.


(And I say "if" not because I think there's some other explanation that is your fault, just acknowledging that it may not be relevant.)

 

[Michen]

I think the thing is with lymes is that once it’s THIS bad they are pretty f*****.

But anyway, I’ll treat. @jhoward you were into the right thing with flooding the antibiotics.

The worst thing is they weren’t even going to test for lymes- I had to direct it.

Thank goodness again for my Colorado vet friend who is directing exactly what should happy right now. Oh and the boy whose picking up the drugs, my mum whose meeting him to collect the drugs and deliver to barn, the barn for receiving them.

I shouldn’t have left

 

[Lamehorses]

I know luping ill is different to limes, but both tick related,but my friends horse was completely ataxia,couldn't even lift her head.
Intravenous vit e & steroids not sure what else & made a complet recovery.
Equally, if you wanted to draw a line& pts that wouldn't be the wrong decision.

 

[Peregrine Falcon]

My little mare had it but no neuro signs. 1st time around the doxy had her scouring so she had to come off it. Back into work after. 2nd time the doxy was feed based and we got the whole course into her.

It took a couple of weeks the 1st time round for me to pin point what was wrong though. At least you have a diagnosis, albeit not the best.

 

[Michen]

Alright well thank you all. @druid interestingly my Co Vet says Mino is far better than Doxy for this, so I’m going to grab some Mino from her on Sunday (because my Tucson vets.. don’t have it).

I’m sure I’m driving Tucson vets mental by having another person involved but whatever, one is far more experienced in this than the other.

I’ll also continue the EPM meds.

 

[jhoward]

I think the thing is with lymes is that once it’s THIS bad they are pretty f*****.

But anyway, I’ll treat. @jhoward you were into the right thing with flooding the antibiotics.

The worst thing is they weren’t even going to test for lymes- I had to direct it.

Thank goodness again for my Colorado vet friend who is directing exactly what should happy right now. Oh and the boy whose picking up the drugs, my mum whose meeting him to collect the drugs and deliver to barn, the barn for receiving them.

I shouldn’t have left

It was all the reading and everything saying about infection and horses are not so like us with developing a barrier plus he's so young he wouldn't of had loads in the past.

As I said it wouldn't hurt to try.

Just out of interest because of the link with cattle would him and bog of been in the same situations? Ie close to water and /or cows?

I know a human that had lymes from the tiniest tick ever...

 

[druid]

Alright well thank you all. @druid interestingly my Co Vet says Mino is far better than Doxy for this, so I’m going to grab some Mino from her on Sunday (because my Tucson vets.. don’t have it).

I’m sure I’m driving Tucson vets mental by having another person involved but whatever, one is far more experienced in this than the other.

I’ll also continue the EPM meds.

Mino is a good shout. The majority of ours had tetra iv if hospitalised and the doxy was for cost constrained cases.

 

[Jojo2go]

It was all the reading and everything saying about infection and horses are not so like us with developing a barrier plus he's so young he wouldn't of had loads in the past.

As I said it wouldn't hurt to try.

Just out of interest because of the link with cattle would him and bog of been in the same situations? Ie close to water and /or cows?

I know a human that had lymes from the tiniest tick ever...

I'm not sure why you are associating Lyme with cattle? Lyme is spread by small deer ticks which can be spread by any mammal, even other horses, they don't discriminate unfortunately. They are a smaller type of tick.

 

[SEL]

It’s not really an answer though necessarily, just another “maybe”. I think. And not a great one.

@druid thanks, I’m not even sure whether to bother.

Absolutely bother with Lymes!

Look up Dr Brenda Bishop in the US. She advised someone I knew whose horse was infected in the UK (New Forest area). Struck me as a bit "alternative" but very knowledgeable.

I've known quite a few horses recover from it. Horrible when they're poorly but so long as vets give the antibiotics long enough - & it is a marathon - then it's fixable. My OH had the bullseye bite on his calf a couple of years ago and the GPs were very quick to prescribe antibiotics. Getting more common here now too sadly.

 

[Michen]

Mino is a good shout. The majority of ours had tetra iv if hospitalised and the doxy was for cost constrained cases.

Ok thanks. No cost restraints here but he doesn’t get a hospital stay- in any case he’s not really bad enough to need it as he’s busy sticking his nose in places he shouldn’t and entertaining himself.

 

[jhoward]

I'm not sure why you are associating Lyme with cattle? Lyme is spread by small deer ticks which can be spread by any mammal, even other horses, they don't discriminate unfortunately. They are a smaller type of tick.

I'm not it's a different thing...

 

[jhoward]

Ok thanks. No cost restraints here but he doesn’t get a hospital stay- in any case he’s not really bad enough to need it as he’s busy sticking his nose in places he shouldn’t and entertaining himself.

Haha well then that suggests that he's just a bit dysfunctional ATM and has lots more to give you.

 

[Michen]

Alright well boy is about to hand drugs over to mum and then mum will hand them to barn (there’s a 2 hr drive between barn and vet) and then Sunday my friends will drive me to the Colorado hospital to get the better drug and I’ll fly home and give it to Atlas.

Really, WTF. Alcohol really does help though

 

[Michen]

It was all the reading and everything saying about infection and horses are not so like us with developing a barrier plus he's so young he wouldn't of had loads in the past.

As I said it wouldn't hurt to try.

Just out of interest because of the link with cattle would him and bog of been in the same situations? Ie close to water and /or cows?

I know a human that had lymes from the tiniest tick ever...

No Bog was never around cattle in the USA. Atlas is at a barn with cattle but never nose to nose.

But Bog had his “episode” in October 2023 so they never shared the same cattle type environment. Unless a tick bit bog and then bit atlas?

But either way, bogs symptoms were 100% a neck thing. It was clear by the end.

 

[Michen]

Also my Colorado vet says no to steroids right now. So just the antibiotics.

 

[Caol Ila]

Your mum and boy sound brilliant. I like well-trained boys.

This all sucks, but it's in no way your fault. You bought a lovely young horse and didn't make any stupid calls -- but sh1t can hit the fan anyway. It's just a f*ck ton harder when it does, because the whole bloody point of buying rank youngsters is to have a horse who you know everything about, and if f*ck ups with the training happen, at least they are yours. But sometimes weird medical sh*t just happens too, and there is nothing you could have done. And that is unfathomably terrible. Beyond words. I totally get why you are angry, because I would be. If something terrible went wrong with Hermosa, I would be handling it very, very badly. Because it's a young horse, and you are doing everything right, and it's not f*cking fair. Your anger at the universe for being a f&(*cking c&79nt is totally justified.

I really hope the right drugs and time will turn him around, but any decision you make for him and yourself will always be the correct one.

 

[Dave's Mam]

Ticks are hideous little things that survive all sorts.