Boots, tops, garter straps, spurs, spur staps

[Capriole]

and what is your point here?

seriuosly I dont understand what youre getting at.

Ive never been hunting, I asked a question about spurs.

 

[posie_honey]

and what is your point here?

seriuosly I dont understand what youre getting at.

Ive never been hunting, I asked a question about spurs.

don't worry - s/he's lost me too LOL!!

hopefully your local hunt will be a bit more welcoming and supportive - do try - you'll probably love it and as long as you are neat and clean and trying to stick to the basic attire rules - plaited horse, dark jacket, light breeches, long boots and no bling/bright colours etc after opening meet (<< i have to add that or Mr/s "professional" Judgemental will be jumping up and down pulling his/her whiskers out as its tweed - sorry ratcatcher - before opening meet ) then i'm sure you;ll be fine - IF you and your horse enjoy it then you can buy the correct attire

speak to your local hunt secretary - they will (hopefully!) be helpful and welcoming and give you the best advice

 

[Capriole]

thanks posie honey


I have dark and tweed jackets already, so thats not a problem.
Is a jockey skull with a velvet cover OK, or should it be a velvet cap? Id prefer to wear the skull tbh but have both...

 

[Judgemental]

and what is your point here?

seriuosly I dont understand what youre getting at.

Ive never been hunting, I asked a question about spurs.

Perhaps not but I just wonder how genuine your comments are bearing in mind on 18 September 2010 at 6:41 p.m you said:

" Re: So...... Why do you venture into the breeding forum????

I come in to read through threads looking for information.

I never dare to post threads asking questions in here anymore, as when I did, maybe 2 or 3 years ago? I DID feel the waves of disapproval you mentioned enfys, from some really rude people who may now have left".

Oh dear was that how you felt when going into the Breeding Forum, not too dissimilar to this one then?.

Then on 31 August 2010 at 08:34 am you said in Judging the Best Turned Out:

"Judging a Best Turned Out...

no, personally I think it should be judged on the horse being turned out to type, not discipline, rider dressed to suit, cleanliness of tack and horse... turnout etc. Not necessarily who paid the most and has the newest stuff though.

i have a dislike for placings being given to ponies/horses where the owners have yes, obviously tried very hard but have turned their ponies out like a sows ear, brightly coloured numnahs, badly dressed etc., because 'theyve made the effort and tried really hard'...well so has everyone else, and if those other people look better, are better turned out, i think the placings should go to them"

So you have strong views on the correctness of turnout etc in the show ring, why not the Hunting Field?

It appears you have an excellent knowledge of horses and all that that entails and it appears to me your comments are rhetorical.

 

[posie_honey]

thanks posie honey


I have dark and tweed jackets already, so thats not a problem.
Is a jockey skull with a velvet cover OK, or should it be a velvet cap? Id prefer to wear the skull tbh but have both...

it should in theory be a velvet cap = i've always hunted in one = but tbh the JS is prob safer as no fixed peak - so if you feel happier in it then wear it

 

[Spudlet]

See, I'd love to try hunting one day, but the thought of being associated with people like the ones I met the other day puts me off. I'd be far too embarrassed!

 

[Capriole]

where on earth does it say I dont have strong feelings about turnout in the hunting field?
As I said IVE NEVER BEEN!
Hence me asking a perfectly reasonable question about spurs so I COULD be correctly turned out.
I have no questions to ask you about show turnout, I am fully aware what I should be wearing in the show ring, thank you. I was asking about hunting attire on a thread in the hunting forum.

As for the breeding forum, whats that got to do with anything?

this is all very odd.

 

[Judgemental]

where on earth does it say I dont have strong feelings about turnout in the hunting field?
As I said IVE NEVER BEEN!
Hence me asking a perfectly reasonable question about spurs so I COULD be correctly turned out.
I have no questions to ask you about show turnout, I am fully aware what I should be wearing in the show ring, thank you. I was asking about hunting attire on a thread in the hunting forum. It's all Inter Alia.

As for the breeding forum, whats that got to do with anything? Your attitude
this is all very odd.

As I say I think your comments are rhetorical.

 

[Capriole]

It appears you have an excellent knowledge of horses and all that that entails and it appears to me your comments are rhetorical.

thankyou.

but honestly, my question was genuine, not rhetorical.
It was a genuine question looking for an honest answer as I do like to be turned out well, but dont want to use proper spurs on this horse just yet.

 

[Spudlet]

congratulations - you have just probably

a) added fuel to the anti-hunt "all hunting folk are snobs" fire - the LACS would love you!

b) prob made some people who wanted to try hunting now feel like they can't/wont as they will be looked down apon for incorrect dress etc

and you call yourself a pro.....

Correct.

There's clearly no place for the likes of me, anyway!

 

[posie_honey]

Correct.

There's clearly no place for the likes of me, anyway!

hey - you'll be surprised - there are a lot of us normal folk out hunting too

i don't have all the gear - and can't afford a subscription either - but my local hunt still welcomes me and the secretary lets me do a 4 day deal so i can get out those precious few times that are the pinacle of my riding year tbh

(i can't keep horse fit enough to hunt all season as i work full time and don't have lights at the field i keep her at - so winter riding mainly involves moon light lol! so realistically i can't really hunt beyond xmas anyway - so 4 days is about all i can manage - esp as i also having working dogs)

 

[tootsietoo]

Sorry SA, I also was too busy getting (only a little bit) annoyed to answer your question! Personally, if you don't need spurs, I wouldn't wear them! It would be more respectful to Huntsman, Masters, hosts and field to have an in-control horse than to have spurs on your boots in my opinion!

Suffice to say I think people who feel like JM are in the minority. Some of us manage to be fully functioning useful members of hunts without the precisely correct equipment!

Oh and I would love love love a pair of made to measure Davies hunting boots, but I cannot spend £1000 odd on a pair when I have a very good pair of boots. Which I do not intend to replace with a cheap version with garter straps, because they fit me perfectly are look quite elegant I think, despite being not quite correct.

And having argued with my friend about this for AGES over supper one night, I know it isn't possible to change the opinion of people like him and JM on turnout but, sorry, you'll have to put up with us because we are hunting too, so we may as well be nice to each other. Provincial indeed!

 

[Judgemental]

What's with this spurs nonsence?

Can't folk ride a horse with spurs on without using them and keep their legs still.

Trouble is, some of these horses are so fat and insufficently run up, it's no wonder that they jabbed in the ribs all the time.

It's all down to skill!

 

[posie_honey]

It's all down to skill!

of which you clearly have in abundance

 

[Simsar]

Spud of course their is don't say that, thinking of starting my own hunt! x I have two dogs and as you can only hunt with two thats OK. But I would like to see traditional dress please. xxxx

The People who are arguing with JM I see one of you shows your horse, now do you turn out in correct attire I think so and if I was judging you it wouldn't make you win the class but the overall picture would help you stand out from the others, when I judge classes I do comment on correct dress especially for Hunter classes. As I have said before traditional clothing has nothing to do with snobbery at all, I am from the East end of London so no snob but I like to dress the part and have well turned out horses, I talk for England and wouldn't snub you just because I am dressed properly. The Majority of people that hunt go for the jolly well we have to except that but what I hate is the no nothings that think they are doing the right thing and are clearly not. I am affraid not many are aware of the horn blowing and who and what the huntsman are calling for be it the terrier man or the end of a cover etc, I just wish everybody in the field understood they are their to do a job not just smoke and drink and catch up on whats been going on since they last met. Rant over its like banging your head against a wall.

JM I see you have adopted my red writing you cheeky sod. x

 

[EAST KENT]

What's with this spurs nonsence?

Can't folk ride a horse with spurs on without using them and keep their legs still.

Trouble is, some of these horses are so fat and insufficently run up, it's no wonder that they jabbed in the ribs all the time.

It's all down to skill!

I have to confess to ,oh dear ,using black boots sans spurs ,always! But,please please do not wear those dreadful dressage type boots with the wavy tops,they look horrid at best anywhere..but simply dreadful out hunting. I mean,what are they..a poor imitation of the Household Cavalry boots..or what??
Reasonable dress ,in being basic smartness is fine,it is not snobby with most packs..certain etiquette,in both manners and dress, is required and a good read up beforehand is an excellent idea.WHATEVER you do..DO NOT call hounds "dogs"...now THAT really does offend greatly.

 

[tootsietoo]

My boots are lovely! Cavallos, not particularly wavy tops, but no garter straps because they are unnecessary!

East Kent, glad to hear you are breaking the spurs rule too! (Although I do wear mine now as they are quite useful on my current mount, not so useful on my previous one!)

As long as you are interested in what is going on, tidy and jump off to open and shut gates whenever you can then I'm sure you (anyone) will be welcome with any hunt!

 

[EAST KENT]

I am sure your Cavallo boots are indeed lovely,but incorrect in the hunting field...plain straight tops please.

 

[Simsar]

EK meant pet dogs not hounds.

 

[marmalade76]

As long as you are interested in what is going on, tidy and jump off to open and shut gates whenever you can then I'm sure you (anyone) will be welcome with any hunt!

Quite agree - I have never worn spurs or garter straps out hunting - yet had a hunt virtually begging me to come out every week to gate shut as my horse was so good at it. So good I rarely had to jump off!

 

[EAST KENT]

EK meant pet dogs not hounds.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

and you have started 89 Threads.

you are living in the past i am afraid- is it all about how many threads folk have posted(which i suspect it is) or bragging about proper hunt dress and code? I for one find you totally boring and insulting to people who are wanting to hunt, your speeches are enough to put new hunters off trying. Just leave them to dress tidily and go out and enjoy them selves. Thanks be to god you dont hunt this way as you would not be a popular person out in the field!!

 

[Kat]

Wow doesn't happen often but I just want to say -

well said rosiefronfelen!!!!

 

[xloopylozzax]

judgmental, i think we ought to have a picture of you hunting (preferably at a recent meet, not 1930's), then we will all be clear on the correct turnout... there will be no chance for us to criticise will there.

 

[Capriole]

The People who are arguing with JM I see one of you shows your horse, now do you turn out in correct attire I think so and if I was judging you it wouldn't make you win the class but the overall picture would help you stand out from the others, when I judge classes I do comment on correct dress especially for Hunter classes.

I dont know if Im the poster you mean here, but as I do show, I will answer it. Yes I do show, and I take great care in my appearance. However I havent hunted as yet and so at this point I dont know all the finer detail on what is/is not acceptable in the hunting field, hence me asking about dummy spurs. I merely wanted to know if using dummy spurs would be acceptable (a better option than using no spurs whatsoever?), I honestly thought it was a reasonable question to ask.
I think I know better than to ask questions now though.

 

[Simsar]

No I mean't PH, and SA dummy spurs are a great idea, didn't mean you at all.

This is the thing people getting the wrong end of the stick. I like to be turned out and do a job, People that go for the jolly hooly think we as well turned outs are stuck up our arses, not all smart people are stuck up.

 

[xloopylozzax]

its cant be any worse than my first taste of hunting- i was out hacking and we got caught up in the field, and the secretary asked me if i wanted to tag along for a bit. of course i jumped at the chance, in my checked breeches, long stripy socks, jod boots and jumper and nobody said anything and were really nice.

next time i went, i had a tweed (blue aswell, wasnt ruining my nice green show one), blue stock and dressage boots on. again nobody cared, we had a great time and people really made me feel welcome.

thats a sign of the times, i am going to hunt more regularily this season, which is far better than me saving up for the "correct" gear and not being able to go for the next 10 years (and so not paying the hunt)

 

[Capriole]

No I mean't PH, and SA dummy spurs are a great idea, didn't mean you at all.

OK, thanks

 

[Darkly_Dreaming_Dex]

you are living in the past i am afraid- is it all about how many threads folk have posted(which i suspect it is) or bragging about proper hunt dress and code? I for one find you totally boring and insulting to people who are wanting to hunt, your speeches are enough to put new hunters off trying. Just leave them to dress tidily and go out and enjoy them selves. Thanks be to god you dont hunt this way as you would not be a popular person out in the field!!

^^ Another first timer at agreeing with this poster

we welcome all newcomers regardless of dress- although we would prefer it if they left the bling at home..
SA- dummy spurs always complete the look beautifully if you dont want to wear full spurs

 

[tootsietoo]

I don't usually get involved in heated internet debates, got better things to worry about! But I have been mulling this over, and I think it's perhaps more a generational thing than a hunting thing.

Dress codes used to be quite important, but these days they just aren't considered so important. For instance, racecourses don't enforce dress codes in members areas, most restaurants don't require ties and jackets (in fact I wouldn't go near a restaurant which did!) and most businesses have gone "business casual" in their dress requirements. People don't make judgements on the basis of other people's dress as much as they used to. And it's a good thing, because more flexible attitudes allow progress! For instance, a lot of people now wear coats made of nylon hi-tech type fabric out shooting, which is probably a lot more effective than tweed!

I think many of an older generation haven't cottoned on to this yet, but they need to as they are becoming outnumbered by younger people who aren't as hidebound by dress codes and don't "read" the same messages from dress as they do.

Fixing a particular very detailed style of dress for hunting as correct is a bit pointless, surely, it doesn't allow progress in functionality. And I think it is mostly about excluding people who "don't know" rather than actually caring about respect to others.