EAST KENT
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OK the silence is deafening..twelve year old grown up now and show jumping and his missus is also involved in a horse sport......
Boots, tops, garter straps, spurs, spur staps
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Simsar
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Ricketts Fletcher Smith?
AML
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I would be guessing a gentleman connected to the Billy Stud ....
Warm or in the arctic?
Warm or in the arctic?
Simsar
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Oh OK But Will's dad was Huntsman.
AML
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I'm just guessing.
Probably totally wrong
Probably totally wrong
Simsar
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EK you can't just leave now!
cptrayes
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now would I be caught dead at a drag-hunt????
Quite possibly if you jumped the hedges we jump and got it wrong
Eagle_day
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Godammed right on spurs, Claire. As the 10th Duke said, you only wear spurs if you need them.
Is JM the best thing for hunting since the 10th Duke of Beaufort?
Is JM the best thing for hunting since the 10th Duke of Beaufort?
Starbucks
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Well, I'm going to keep a look out now but do people still have garter straps on their boots?? at the end of the day, does anyone really care about such fine details?
pipsqueek
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as long as you and horse are clean and smart think you are generally excused the finer details! garter straps seem to have disappeared from boots now (anyway what are garters??)
Starbucks
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as long as you and horse are clean and smart think you are generally excused the finer details! garter straps seem to have disappeared from boots now (anyway what are garters??)
I was just saying to my mum the other day actually, (ladies) boots have changes so much I don't even know where you'd buy a pair of traditional (ish) looking hunting boots now!! I've got some Cavello ones that I've only just got round to wearing and although fairly normal looking would probably have been classed as dressage boots 10/15 years ago!
I think it's nice to see hunt staff to look really correct but for everyone else I think it comes a lot down to what they can afford? Luckily I have my lovely 12 yo hunt jacket that is falling to bits a little bit but only on the inside - looked at new ones the other day, they were £360!!! :O
Horsetan
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Only joined this thread at very late stage but, for what it's worth, when I hunted as a visitor with The Clares in Ireland from 1999 to 2003, I always had garter straps on my (30-quid secondhand Regent Cotswold) boots. Still do, even though I don't currently hunt. They look incomplete without straps.
My Caldene black coat was bought new in 1991, and has been with me ever since. I've worn it for occasional (and hilariously-disastrous) forays into local showjumping classes, where it's not out of place.
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Starbucks
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See I think I'm a bit opposite of out of date!! I bought my first pair of long boots maybe 14 years ago, they didn't have straps although my mum bought a pair at a similar time and hers did. Mine have since fallen to bits (literally) so I'm on my second pair. Maybe I don't look after them in well enough!!
My coat is caldene, had it about 13/14 years I think and it's hunted hard, still looks good on the outside but all the pockets and lining has come apart! Oh well... who needs pockets!!
Judgemental
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Eagle Day if one is going to refer to 'Master'. Then let it be in the correct form, i.e. His Grace The Late 10th Duke of Beaufort.
His Grace provided many opinions and one would be interested to know where you could direct one to the authority concerning spurs, either quoting his grace, or more importantly and ideally the wisdom quoted in his own hand?
Of course the presentation of your comment is defective.
Similarly if one presents in the hunting field and is not properly attired and therefore one is defective in one's appearance.
I have witnessed somebody sent home for inappropriate presentation, namely a sheepskin coat! The master, (a man of exacting standards) informed the unfortunate lady in acid terms that she might be mistaken as the quarry for the day.
Fundamentally, as I have said hitherto, if a laissez faire attitude is going to creep into hunting and dilute it's genre, then the whole essence of the sport will disintegrate.
One might as well say soldiers on parade need not polish their boots. Police officers need not bother with the chain for their whistle, which is still mandatory. Or the Masons should not bother with their regalia, or the clergy should not bother with their vestments or the judges and barristers should do away with their robes and horsehair wigs. The latter generating considerable income for the suppliers of the raw material.
No, the full kit properly turned out and nothing but the highest standards of correctness and accepted order of things will do. All these whingers about spurs are soft and wet!
They and their horses need to toughen up to an exceptional hardness.
It is the only way hunting will survive!
rubysmum
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i was plannig to go to the New years day meet this year - to show support- BUT as my horse will be using her top end treeless saddle & i will be wearing my black mountainhorse boots & an e-bay tweed - perhaps I should give it a miss
some people here clearly just dont get out enough
some people here clearly just dont get out enough
outandabout
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I have been following this thread with interest, as I hope to take my horse hunting for the first time next month and was a bit worried that I would not have the proper clothing/tack. I still am!
However, I must leap in at this point and correct you however on a couple of the above points: it is not mandatory for the police to carry/wear a whistle. If they were in full dress uniform (ie their tunics), yes, but not day to day (the equivalent of a lawn meet, perhaps?). My OH is a copper (as well as being a police history buff) on a very rough beat and I think he finds his baton more useful
Also, the standard of dress for barristers and judges is becoming less formal - there are now many occasions when they do not wear their gowns and wigs. It is really only those at the criminal bar who regularly wear them, and even they take them off when they are dealing with children or vulnerable witnesses.
Simsar
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Lets not even talk about hairnets LOL.
posie_honey
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actually - you've hit a nerve there with me
i don't wear a harinet at home but wear one all at all other times - i HATE to see hair flapping about all over the place MissySmythe
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actually - you've hit a nerve there with me
Quite, PH and Simsar! LOL, am pulling out the soapbox as I write!
combat_claire
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I do my best to entertain!
combat_claire
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i was plannig to go to the New years day meet this year - to show support- BUT as my horse will be using her top end treeless saddle & i will be wearing my black mountainhorse boots & an e-bay tweed - perhaps I should give it a miss
some people here clearly just dont get out enough
You will look just fine wearing that rig. Go and have a wonderful time.
combat_claire
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However, I must leap in at this point and correct you however on a couple of the above points: it is not mandatory for the police to carry/wear a whistle. If they were in full dress uniform (ie their tunics), yes, but not day to day (the equivalent of a lawn meet, perhaps?). My OH is a copper (as well as being a police history buff) on a very rough beat and I think he finds his baton more useful
I would also add that from time served with the reserve forces boots were not polished for every parade. If we were due on field exercise you don't shine your boots as it can give away your position to enemy troops! This rather sums up my argument that you follow a dress code as far as is practical.
combat_claire
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I've had my hair cut to avoid the hassle of mid-length hair being too long not to be in a net, but not long enough to fill the whole net! The things I do for hunting.
Judgemental
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Clearly the above two posters have a point and the detail may be, that from time to time, there is a relaxing of protocol in certain circumstances.
However we are dealing with hunting and it is essential that the ambience in it's entirety is maintained.
What is clear, that after twelve years ofLabour Rule many elements of society have been brain washed into believing and or thinking that 'lowering the tone' is acceptable, it is part of Labour's second rate parocialism.
Indeed there are those in these matters, who like to make a 'personal statement' by not conforming to the accepted protocols. But as I say they have been brainwashed by twelve years of Labour Rule whose misguided totemistic banning of hunting, results in one simply re-educating and showing the right way things should be done.
However we are dealing with hunting and it is essential that the ambience in it's entirety is maintained.
What is clear, that after twelve years of
Labour Rule many elements of society have been brain washed into believing and or thinking that 'lowering the tone' is acceptable, it is part of Labour's second rate parocialism.Indeed there are those in these matters, who like to make a 'personal statement' by not conforming to the accepted protocols. But as I say they have been brainwashed by twelve years of Labour Rule whose misguided totemistic banning of hunting, results in one simply re-educating and showing the right way things should be done.
Spudlet
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JM, 'its' does not take an apostrophe in the possessive form. Please can we have some standards in grammar as well as in appearance!
posie_honey
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judgemental - you are lamenting over a past that will not ever be recreated - society moves on - regardless of who's to blame etc. i'm afraid hunting will never again be what it was 20/30 years ago - as lovely as it would be to have it back there its just not going to happen. stamping feet and pulling whiskers about how it 'should be due to tradition' will not help anyone.
We have come to a point where the majority of the british public are anti hunting - and their main argument is generally 'why should toffs ride about killing poor defenceless fluffy animals in suich a crual manner' - an ignorant view yes - but actually probably justifiable due to the generally embarrassing pro-hunt propaganda showing clipped accents stating how "we should be allowed to continue as its our land, our tradition and why should we change it?!" - crikey me - they'd not have won a school debating trophy would they!! arrogance is not an argument - its a way to get anti hunting folks backs up even more
in this day and age - where society is now - we have to look forward and we have to be more encouraging for people to try hunting and for people to understand it too - we have to use facts and figures that justify hunting as a method of fox control and we have to show that its not about a few landed gentry enjoying hob-knobing about the coubtryside looking down their noses at the rest of the world. if that means relaxed rules and changing attitudes then so be it - surely its better to look forwards in a more inculsive manner than strive towards an ever increasing exclusivity that will alienate further the potential followers and turn more middle-ground folk to anti hunt attitudes?!
*steps off soap box and goes for a cuppa*
We have come to a point where the majority of the british public are anti hunting - and their main argument is generally 'why should toffs ride about killing poor defenceless fluffy animals in suich a crual manner' - an ignorant view yes - but actually probably justifiable due to the generally embarrassing pro-hunt propaganda showing clipped accents stating how "we should be allowed to continue as its our land, our tradition and why should we change it?!" - crikey me - they'd not have won a school debating trophy would they!! arrogance is not an argument - its a way to get anti hunting folks backs up even more
in this day and age - where society is now - we have to look forward and we have to be more encouraging for people to try hunting and for people to understand it too - we have to use facts and figures that justify hunting as a method of fox control and we have to show that its not about a few landed gentry enjoying hob-knobing about the coubtryside looking down their noses at the rest of the world. if that means relaxed rules and changing attitudes then so be it - surely its better to look forwards in a more inculsive manner than strive towards an ever increasing exclusivity that will alienate further the potential followers and turn more middle-ground folk to anti hunt attitudes?!
*steps off soap box and goes for a cuppa*
Judgemental
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How remiss!
Judgemental
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I take your points, but why does any of that effect the correct protocol of wearing blunt (snub nosed) spurs as part of one's correct dress when hunting?
Spudlet
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Horsetan
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You've got a Caldene coat as well? They do last, but you hardly see their coats on sale any more, which is a shame.
In the 20+ years that I've enjoyed riding, I've managed on three pairs of traditional long boots, and they are all still with me:
1. Loveson "Classic" - bought in 1990, but changed the garter straps to something a bit more refined. James Taylor & Son, a very old shoemakers/cobblers in Marylebone, modified the heels to make them a bit longer (and therefore more in proportion), as well as doing a superb re-sole and re-heel every two/three years. I would spend hours trying to achieve a military parade-style polish on them! They are still in good condition, but are now in a sealed protective bag in my garden shed.
2. Regent Cotswold - spotted them in 2000 for sale secondhand in a shoe repair shop in Stevenage Old Town for just £30 (a new pair was nearly £200 at the time). They turned out to be a perfect fit, and came with garter straps. James Taylor & Sons did some minor repairs to one back seam. This is the pair that have done most of the hunting in Ireland, and now need another repair to one of the seams -I just haven't got around to it!
3. Another pair of Regent Cotswold - bought secondhand from eBay for £70. They had originally been considerably taller, but the previous owner had clearly had problems and cut them down a little. They are now the same height as my first pair of "Cotswolds".
I have no complaints - if I buy, I try to make them last a lifetime.