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Jasmine2023 said:
No he just has Ozzy on the passport.


I already put that to him and he took offence. The video shows a young girl tacking him up, picking all four feet up, getting on and off him and he stood their calm as anything. That's not the horse I have so I suspect he was drugged.
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Ozzy is a great name!!

I doubt that he was drugged.... may have had water witheld, which can sometimes cause them to be calmer( not a healthy option btw!)

Jasmine, I think you've bought yourself a cracking cob! That dealer will be kicking themselves in 12 months time!

What I'd suggest you do now is just go up to the yard when he is out in the field and just watch him for a while ( and maybe take more pics!! )
Then the nest day go up and watch him being brought in.
Does he have a tie ring inside his stable near the door? can the yard tie his haynet to it so you can just stand at the door and talk to him while he's munching? Just
so he can get used to your voice?
And then I'd ask if your usual instructor, during your next lesson, will ride him to warm him up and then lead you around on him - but only do one lap of the school each way then get off so your brain starts to associate 'the wonderful horse of Oz' with good things!

Also why has every one else seen a video of him? I neeed to see him move!!!!!
 
Hi Jasmine, I had to post.
I've told my story on here a few times, about how I went to the dodgiest dealer of all. At least dodgy enough to have an article on the one show.
I went all on my own and bought a bloody horrible horse. He looked nice though .
I paid the money and waited for him to arrive. I was so excited. I had waited all my life for my own horse and this was going to be my dream come true. As soon as the ramp came down and that ginger tosser got out of that horse box my life was a nightmare.
It was awful. I went through the exact range of emotions you are going through. The same realisation that the seller was keeping my money and I was keeping the nag.
I did try to ride him but I was out the side door every time.
Then I had to work out what I was going to do. It took a while. At first I would just bring him in, give him a feed brush him and then Hoy him back out. Then I would lead him round the farm and make sure we were on the same page with a few basic commands.
Then I started putting the saddle on and then onto lunging and eventually got back on.
By this time we had built up a bond and I can honestly say I never had any more bother with him. We absolutely loved each other and he was very close to 30 when he was PTS.
I like the advice you are getting here, it's cutting out all the first bit wasting time thinking that these people have to worry about things like consumer rights.
There's no rush to ride this horse even given your disabilities. The only rush is to get to s place where he feels safe and confident with you and you with him.
I look back now at my time with Chester and I honestly don't regret a single thing. He was a corker.!Image-2385.jpg
Good luck!❤️
 
luckyoldme said:
Hi Jasmine, I had to post.
I've told my story on here a few times, about how I went to the dodgiest dealer of all. At least dodgy enough to have an article on the one show.
I went all on my own and bought a bloody horrible horse. He looked nice though .
I paid the money and waited for him to arrive. I was so excited. I had waited all my life for my own horse and this was going to be my dream come true. As soon as the ramp came down and that ginger tosser got out of that horse box my life was a nightmare.
It was awful. I went through the exact range of emotions you are going through. The same realisation that the seller was keeping my money and I was keeping the nag.
I did try to ride him but I was out the side door every time.
Then I had to work out what I was going to do. It took a while. At first I would just bring him in, give him a feed brush him and then Hoy him back out. Then I would lead him round the farm and make sure we were on the same page with a few basic commands.
Then I started putting the saddle on and then onto lunging and eventually got back on.
By this time we had built up a bond and I can honestly say I never had any more bother with him. We absolutely loved each other and he was very close to 30 when he was PTS.
I like the advice you are getting here, it's cutting out all the first bit wasting time thinking that these people have to worry about things like consumer rights.
There's no rush to ride this horse even given your disabilities. The only rush is to get to s place where he feels safe and confident with you and you with him.
I look back now at my time with Chester and I honestly don't regret a single thing. He was a corker.!View attachment 161415
Good luck!❤️
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You stepped up. Made a plan, and made it work 💞💞
 
Jasmine2023 said:
No he just has Ozzy on the passport.


I already put that to him and he took offence. The video shows a young girl tacking him up, picking all four feet up, getting on and off him and he stood their calm as anything. That's not the horse I have so I suspect he was drugged.
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But the Ozzie in the video was in a place he knew with familiar people even if he hadn't been there long. Then he was moved to live in a new place with people he'd never even met before and, worst of all from his pov *he was shut in a stable and not let out*.
Then some more new people came and poked and prodded him, even shut the top door (I assume) to check his eyes, so he got even more frightened.
I am afraid that when cobs, in particular, are frightened they are usually bolshy. He might not have been drugged.
We bought our 2nd horse, an Appaloosa mare, from a dealer. She seemed perfect when I tried her but was a complete nightmare when we got her to the livery yard. We always suspected that she had been kept short of water before we tried her rather than drugged.
After 6 weeks we moved her to a different yard and she appeared to have a personality transplant. We kept her for another 24 yrs and have had 2 Appaloosas along with other mares, since her.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
Hi, thank you I may take you up on that offer. Looking at the passport again it looks like he may have had 2 owners.

Will do.
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Passports are pretty simple documents how did you miss a second name and could it look like a possible? Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but passports contain an owners column.

I think it's a mad idea to not turn him out lock him in a stable and go sit in it ....with a horse that's already displayed dominant/defensive behaviour that's asking for a kick in the head if I'm honest.
Op you said you've owned horses before your of the older generation but honestly when people are asking questions trying to help you how do you "forget" you rode a horse?
 
This reminds me of my first horse 🙈🙈 I bought my mother was non horsey and our budget was way to low even for back in the day. He was crazy and for the first few months off owning him I was constantly falling off him I actually couldn’t get on him because he would try to run off. I got someone very experienced to ride him a few times a week and lessons with him and had to bribe him with treats to stand at the mountain block everyone thought I was crazy . He turned out to be the best horse I have ever owned unfortunately heath issues is catching up to him he was hammered as a young horse so he probably only has a few years left in him before retirement or making a decision nobody wants to make.

Op I would agree with the others the chances of you getting a refund is slim and most of the time the dealers get away because they make it impossible sue them especially dodgy dealers. It raises the issue that horse shouldn’t be bought unseen. Op I also have a physical disability and you really need to be trying horses as you only will have a very limited amount of horses would suit you. Personally I would try a put the horse into training and see does he suit you if he still doesn’t in a year sell him on with full disclosure. Definitely have a better budget next time you’re talking about 15000 on the type of safe horse you want horses aren’t cheap anymore everyone knows there horses worth nowadays.
 
jhoward said:
Passports are pretty simple documents how did you miss a second name and could it look like a possible? Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but passports contain an owners column.

I think it's a mad idea to not turn him out lock him in a stable and go sit in it ....with a horse that's already displayed dominant/defensive behaviour that's asking for a kick in the head if I'm honest.
Op you said you've owned horses before your of the older generation but honestly when people are asking questions trying to help you how do you "forget" you rode a horse?
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She forgot to mention it in her posts, as it wasn't of particular concern, unlike the other behaviour which she was seeking advice on. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If something was giving me a whole list of troublesome symptoms, and I was feeling desperate and anxious, I probably wouldn't remember to tell everyone 'oh but this was fine' in relation to something non-troublesome.

Some passports can be pretty simple documents. Some are more complicated, also sometimes with random pages being used. If someone isn't familiar with a particular style, and doesn't know what they're looking for, things can easily be missed.

Older generation? OP is 62! That's not much older than me (and you...?), and I'm probably about average for this forum. And what of it, anyway?
 
JenJ said:
She forgot to mention it in her posts, as it wasn't of particular concern, unlike the other behaviour which she was seeking advice on. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If something was giving me a whole list of troublesome symptoms, and I was feeling desperate and anxious, I probably wouldn't remember to tell everyone 'oh but this was fine' in relation to something non-troublesome.

Some passports can be pretty simple documents. Some are more complicated, also sometimes with random pages being used. If someone isn't familiar with a particular style, and doesn't know what they're looking for, things can easily be missed.

Older generation? OP is 62! That's not much older than me (and you...?), and I'm probably about average for this forum. And what of it, anyway?
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You're right about passports but omitting she'd ridden him though?
If the post had said "he's been troublesome on the ground but was ridden ok on [date]" a lot of the responses would have been enormously different.
 
Its too late to contact the YO now regarding turning him out and I doubt she will answer my messages in the morning so their isn't much I can do about that now. So I have made another mistake when all I was trying to do was spend time with him as suggested instead of giving up on him. I give up😣.
 
FieldOrnaments said:
You're right about passports but omitting she'd ridden him though?
If the post had said "he's been troublesome on the ground but was ridden ok on [date]" a lot of the responses would have been enormously different.
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I have ADHD, I forget stuff all the time, so it seems perfectly normal to me to forget to mention something like that! 😂
 
JenJ said:
She forgot to mention it in her posts, as it wasn't of particular concern, unlike the other behaviour which she was seeking advice on. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. If something was giving me a whole list of troublesome symptoms, and I was feeling desperate and anxious, I probably wouldn't remember to tell everyone 'oh but this was fine' in relation to something non-troublesome.

Some passports can be pretty simple documents. Some are more complicated, also sometimes with random pages being used. If someone isn't familiar with a particular style, and doesn't know what they're looking for, things can easily be missed.

Older generation? OP is 62! That's not much older than me (and you...?), and I'm probably about average for this forum. And what of it, anyway?
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When people at the start were saying about returning him etc and she was saying about his behaviour perhaps saying I rode him and he was ok but to handle he was a sod ...
Equally if you can't handle a horse on the ground and it's being a pig why would you get on it?

A passport doesn't have hundreds of pages and by rights should be at the yard, any decent yard owner should of checked it especially if it's a riding school the animals vaccinations should of been checked.

It is human curiosity to know things don't you think?my comment about age is about previous experience op said she's had plenty she's owned before surely that horse had a passport, so should of been easy enough to open a few pages and get some info. And know about a microchip etc.
She is not a naive teenager..
 
Jasmine2023 said:
Its too late to contact the YO now regarding turning him out and I doubt she will answer my messages in the morning so their isn't much I can do about that now. So I have made another mistake when all I was trying to do was spend time with him as suggested instead of giving up on him. I give up😣.
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All you have to do is text.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
Its too late to contact the YO now regarding turning him out and I doubt she will answer my messages in the morning so their isn't much I can do about that now. So I have made another mistake when all I was trying to do was spend time with him as suggested instead of giving up on him. I give up😣.
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No, don't give up. It's a learning curve, that's all. Keep going.

Message your YO now asking to turn him out as tomorrow usual. If not now, she'll see it in the morning, or I'm sure whoever else is in charge of turning out will check the phone for any changes to plans first - plenty of people send through last-minute requests at my yard.
 
And now I am getting ripped apart for not mentioning a quick tootle around the arena with the owner guiding him. I was more concerned with his other behaviour which would prevent me getting on him again. Thank you to the people that have been sympathetic and helpful instead of judgemental. I am done.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
They don't always read my messages.
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They definitely won't read your message if you don't send one.

ETA - even if they don't see a message from you and he is in when you go, just bear in mind what's been said here and maybe don't just go straight in to sit with him. Be prepared that being kept in might unsettle him and be ready to adapt your plan. All people are trying to say is give him and yourself the best chance for things to go well.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
And now I am getting ripped apart for not mentioning a quick tootle around the arena with the owner guiding him. I was more concerned with his other behaviour which would prevent me getting on him again. Thank you to the people that have been sympathetic and helpful instead of judgemental. I am done.
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you're not being ripped apart! It just helps give everyone a better overview of the situation that you have managed to sit on him and no one died. That's good.

The advantage of the internet is it's entirely up to you whether you take others advice or not.
 
I am sorry you are feeling got at but Please do start thinking about this situation from the horse's pov. You say he is not your first horse, so really you should be aware of how to set him up to succeed, which won't mean replicating the conditions that made him freak out last time.
He is still very new to the yard routines so it's best for all concerned if he follows them and you fit round that.
 
Op fundamentally people just want this to work out both for your sake and the horse's, and if it comes across a bit shouty it's only because the horse out of everyone has no advocate in this . His only way of communicating is through behaviour.
He looks like he could be a really nice horse with time
 
FieldOrnaments said:
But they definitely cannot read something that isn't sent :)
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Yard managers have families and private lives perhaps respecting their privacy is advisable by not sending messages late at night. After hours messages are irritating and disturbing, many a yard manager start their day at 6am or before and will be in bed now.

Some of the comments the owner of the cob has endured are disappointing at best. We all make mistakes in our lives and we all work out how to cope and rectify our mistakes. Time and help, from the right person is all the owner needs right now, not ridicule or berating.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
They don't always read my messages.
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Stick to your plan @Jasmine2023 😊. I probably wouldn't actually go sit in the stable with him personally (nor would I with my lunatic Welshie!) but talk to him over the door, give him a few treats, a bit of a scratch if he's willing, then maybe see if you can walk with them to turn him out and then watch him from the field gate for a while?
 
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