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You arent being got at OP.

You sound very fragile and very inexperienced and people are just trying to help you.

Prior to the issues, how often were you planning on seeing Ozzy? You say you are on full livery. Is that because of your limitations?

You really need to do some very basic groundwork, bonding grooming and allow him time to settle before you get stressed and worried.
 
jhoward said:
When people at the start were saying about returning him etc and she was saying about his behaviour perhaps saying I rode him and he was ok but to handle he was a sod ...
Equally if you can't handle a horse on the ground and it's being a pig why would you get on it?

A passport doesn't have hundreds of pages and by rights should be at the yard, any decent yard owner should of checked it especially if it's a riding school the animals vaccinations should of been checked.

It is human curiosity to know things don't you think?my comment about age is about previous experience op said she's had plenty she's owned before surely that horse had a passport, so should of been easy enough to open a few pages and get some info. And know about a microchip etc.
She is not a naive teenager..
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Passports are not all identical, but generally start with original breeder’s name which also features as the first ‘owner’.
But if animal was sold as a foal, possibly before registration and passport issue, then there might be two names on the first page: the breeder AND also the first recorded owner. Easy enough to misconstrue.
Subsequent changes of owner should appear consecutively as transfers of ownership, usually on another page in the booklet.
This all assumes that every change of owner has been noted. Ha!
Generally dealers don’t do this (for obvious reasons, the horse will hopefully be sold on before admin can be completed, and will need his passport with him for any sale), so if a horse has been ‘round the ring’, between various dealers, might easily have had multiple changes of home with no record. Ha! Ha!
And this all assumes the horse is accompanied by his original passport, not a replacement, and that it was filled in correctly when he was a foal.....
OP, anything you can find out about Ozzy via his papers might be useful to a better understanding, but don’t hold your breath, and horses can behave quite differently in different situations anyway. Like other posters, I hope things settle down and the relationship can become what you wanted, but if there is any likelihood of selling him, posting videos and social media discussion of possible ailments is not advisable.
A full health disclosure is purely of what the qualified veterinary surgeon has observed during physical examination - which will quite possibly prove nothing detrimental, at all!
That dealership is notorious, but that doesn’t mean all their horseflesh is, by any means.
Hope you are both feeling a bit happier, anyway.
 
Don't forget. The passport isn't necessarily genuine

Jasmine2023 said:
And now I am getting ripped apart for not mentioning a quick tootle around the arena with the owner guiding him. I was more concerned with his other behaviour which would prevent me getting on him again. Thank you to the people that have been sympathetic and helpful instead of judgemental. I am done.
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Don't take this personally. Some posters are blunt and some very supportive, but on the whole what we seem mostly to be saying is that you've fallen into the same trap as quite a few first time owners, these people know a lot more about human nature than they do horses.
Get over that bit , Hoy the horse out and let him get his bearings. Let him settle and have a good look at what you have.
I felt exactly the same as you do when Chester arrived and to me it was the first time I'd experienced anything like it. Unfortunately for a lot of people on here it's just another horsey rip off story!
TOdays a new day !
 
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Jasmine2023 said:
Its too late to contact the YO now regarding turning him out and I doubt she will answer my messages in the morning so their isn't much I can do about that now. So I have made another mistake when all I was trying to do was spend time with him as suggested instead of giving up on him. I give up😣.
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you have got yourself into a very defeatist state of mind, which is easily done but also easily undone. Do you get support from drs re your depression ? Not that I’m a drug pusher but sertraline really sorted my brain out.

Just text her this morning no harm done. If I were you I’d go up daily to see if my mind shifted after a week, now he’s getting turn out he’ll be more chilled. They are generally the nicest when they’ve come in , all full up , tired and grass drunk.
 
jhoward said:
Passports are pretty simple documents how did you miss a second name and could it look like a possible? Correct me anyone if I'm wrong but passports contain an owners column.

I think it's a mad idea to not turn him out lock him in a stable and go sit in it ....with a horse that's already displayed dominant/defensive behaviour that's asking for a kick in the head if I'm honest.
Op you said you've owned horses before your of the older generation but honestly when people are asking questions trying to help you how do you "forget" you rode a horse?
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Goodness, how terribly rude and patronising....what a valuable contribution to the thread.

Re passports I assumed op meant she had deduced another owner from vaccination stamps, or that there is two ownership pages and the PIO had written a change of ownership accidentally over the page leaving the first page blank or something.
 
I know how you feel. I was in this position with my boy who I had missold me.

I'm ashamed to admit when I first encountered all the problems with him I wished he'd be struck with lightning or something. I was so heartbroken and dismayed and I resented him. I went to two equine solicitors who couldn't offer me any hope and it was very obvious that the person who sold him me had no intention of giving me my £12.5k back. I did have him 5 stage vetted by a 'reputable vet' but it wasn't my own vet, it was a vet up North as that was where he was kept. So it was a very hard pill to swallow that that vet couldn't find KS, neck, hock or coffin joint arthritis, nor did he detect the chronic SI from which he was suffering.

I spiralled into depression and missed my previous horse who I'd owned for 17yrs and who we'd had pts aged 24 some months before buying Lari. I worked so hard to try and get Lari fixed ploughing around £8k in vets and pro rider with steroid injections and I did groundwork.

But it didn't take long for me to fall in love with him and I adore the bones of him now. Sadly the ridden side didn't work out as he had too many physical issues. But he's got a home for life with me.

I guess while not offering any solution to your plight I just want you to know that I completely understand how you are feeling, particuarly the sadness and disappointment of your dreams not being fulfilled. Sometimes you can't see the woods from the trees and it's hard to weigh up what to do next.

Always here for a chat OP x
 
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Just wanted to offer some hope too OP. I bought my cob from a dealer who has cropped up more than once on the Dodgy Dealers pages. She had come over on the boat from Ireland two weeks prior, and had a replacement passport with scant info. She was not expensive and advertised as ‘the perfect all rounder’. Some later Googling revealed that she had been sold at auction in Ireland then spent four months at a dealers over there, before being shipped to Scotland. Day one of owning her, I opened the stable door and she barged past me to the grass. She would 100 per cent have no respect for a wheelbarrow in the same position

Here’s the positive bit! I’ve had her for five years. Apart from that first day she had never barged me out the way again. She is the most gentle, sweet, honest horse in the world. Her biggest vet bill to date has been ointment for conjunctivitis. She is utterly steady and reliable, will give anything a go. Vet and dentist happy that her age is as advertised. Never sick nor sorry. Everyone who meets her comments on what a complete sweetheart she is.

So basically- even if there are a few red flags it doesn’t have to mean that you have made a mistake or got yourself a dud. Chances are, once he has settled, Ozzy will be a lovely wee horse.
I hope you enjoy your visit with him today.
 
Everyone makes mistakes, Just text yard owner and say your plans have changed can she please turn Ozzy out this morning and you will be up later to see him in the field.
Re his passport, you have been offered help to understand it from someone here. Take a photo and send it too them and see what that shows up.
The fact you rode him and he was good is a positive.
Today is a new start.
Get him insured as a priority. Should any serious physical problems come up later you will be covered. If you wait and anything is found you will not be covered.
Next get a vet to finish his check, get his teeth done, Im guessing his worming is now up to date. He will probably need another jab soon if he had to start his vacs again. Why not get vet to complete his check over when she comes to do that?
What are his feet like? Is he shod? Does he need farrier soon?
Maybe get a physio to check him too to find any sore spots.
Along with getting regular turn out, being allowed to settle and chill out he may turn out to be what you want.
If not, you will have to look at your options then.
Try not to look on the worst side.
Take the help offered here.
I think you are getting over whelmed by it all.
Write a list of what you need to do and make a plan for insurance, vet, etc.
Even going to the yard and seeing him my help.
Do not get too down if he acts up. Its early days.
If he turns out to have problems down the line you can deal with them.
Get him insured as a priority today.
 
Birker2020 said:
I know how you feel. I was in this position with my boy who I had missold me.

I'm ashamed to admit when I first encountered all the problems with him I wished he'd be struck with lightning or something. I was so heartbroken and dismayed and I resented him. I went to two equine solicitors who couldn't offer me any hope and it was very obvious that the person who sold him me had no intention of giving me my £12.5k back.

I spiralled into depression and missed my previous horse who I'd owned for 17yrs and who we'd had pts aged 24 some months before buying Lari. I worked so hard to try and get Lari fixed ploughing around £8k in vets and pro rider with steroid injections and I did groundwork.

But it didn't take long for me to fall in love with him and I adore the bones of him now. Sadly the ridden side didn't work out as he had too many physical issues. But he's got a home for life with me.

I guess while not offering amy solution to your plight I just want you to know that I completely understand how you are feeling, particuarly the sadness and disappointment of your dreams not being fulfilled.

Always here for a chat OP x
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This horse isn’t even lame though , so OP don’t read this and think “I don’t have 8k” try and work on the basis he has no significant issues as we all know nothing about his health and I’m sure Yard manager would be in touch if he was lame. Don’t catastrophise just work with what you know, he’s unsettled .
 
motherof2beasts! said:
This horse isn’t even lame though , so OP don’t read this and think “I don’t have 8k” try and work on the basis he has no significant issues as we all know nothing about his health and I’m sure Yard manager would be in touch if he was lame. Don’t catastrophise just work with what you know, he’s unsettled .
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Yes I agree. He's not lame, just showing unsettled behaviour. I think I was trying to show the OP that it was okay to feel the way she does about the horse. She's disappointed and rightly so. She had envisaged a Summer of riding and building an enjoyable relationship with the horse and it's been anything but.

I think you need to invest in a pro rider who can 'get him going for you'. Maybe ten mins before the end of each session she can get you to lead him in and out of the stable/to/from the field until you build that confidence back up again.
 
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motherof2beasts! said:
This horse isn’t even lame though , so OP don’t read this and think “I don’t have 8k” try and work on the basis he has no significant issues as we all know nothing about his health and I’m sure Yard manager would be in touch if he was lame. Don’t catastrophise just work with what you know, he’s unsettled .
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Exactly, at this point all you are dealing with is a unsettled cob. He is in a strange place, been put in a stable and been poked and stabbed with needles by people he does not know. He has probably had some rough treatment by the dealer. He is feeling lost and scared and needs time.
You do not know he has physical issues yet. Deal with what you have at this point. Until a vet has been able to check him fully you do not know he has any more issues than being a scared unsettled boy. Yes he may have been bargy and rude but that is understandable.
 
motherof2beasts! said:
you have got yourself into a very defeatist state of mind, which is easily done but also easily undone. Do you get support from drs re your depression ? Not that I’m a drug pusher but sertraline really sorted my brain out.

Just text her this morning no harm done. If I were you I’d go up daily to see if my mind shifted after a week, now he’s getting turn out he’ll be more chilled. They are generally the nicest when they’ve come in , all full up , tired and grass drunk.
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I have been on medication most of my life with breaks at times but had to go back on them as I can't cope without them. They don't make me feel happy they don't work like that just able to cope with life a little more.
 
luckyoldme said:
Not our finest hour was it?
Someone came for help and we made them feel like shit.
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Thank you that is exactly how I feel. I now feel unable to cope with any of this and I think the best thing for him and me is to sell him on. I will be having a chat this morning with the YO and see what we can work out. I was promised help with him from them but so far nothing but quiet and only talk to me when I message them.
 
When I got my cob he came off the lorry and marched me down the track to the yard, luckily he stuck to a brisk walk because I had no control over the speed. The 2nd day he exited the stable with me hanging round his head with his headcollar half on, luckily I managed to finish doing up the headcollar by the time he'd got halfway across the yard and regained some control. That was my fault for assuming he knew not to exit the stable till we were ready and is quite funny to look back on now, I felt like a small child dangling off my ponies head it was like he didn't even notice I was there. But after the first week he's been good and actually has pretty good manners, his size, bulk and clumsiness means he's still like steering a wayward tank on the ground but he never drags or pulls me, if he gets frustrated or scared of something he can strike out with his front leg but now I know that's what he does it's easily avoided by standing to the side when I know it's likely to happen. He also stops doing it as soon as he's reminded it's not polite.

I think it's pretty normal to have the what have I done thoughts when you get a new horse. With all of mine there have been out of character incidents in the first few weeks where I've wondered why I've bought them, but they've all settled down and become the lovely ponies that they are now.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
Thank you that is exactly how I feel. I now feel unable to cope with any of this and I think the best thing for him and me is to sell him on. I will be having a chat this morning with the YO and see what we can work out. I was promised help with him from them but so far nothing but quiet and only talk to me when I message them.
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I think you are expecting too much from the yard tbh, as well as from Ozzy. He has only been there a few days, so far as I can tell, I'm sorry if that's wrong. They will be giving him time to settle before doing anything much with him, That they feel is worth reporting on. I'm sure if there had been a problem they would have let you know, so in this case no news is good news. I would take from it that he is going in and out at the sane time as the others without incident, which, after all is what you want. They can't help you with him, if you are not there and you have been keeping away.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
I have been on medication most of my life with breaks at times but had to go back on them as I can't cope without them. They don't make me feel happy they don't work like that just able to cope with life a little more.
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Same, coming off them is not an option.

Please just try to spend a couple of days around him , see how you feel then, forget the legs comments. If you still feel the same way then maybe selling him is the best idea, but currently not much to write on ad, as he’s still very much an unknown.
 
OP I am so sorry that some posters are behaving like total sh1ts. I honestly don't know why a person would read a thread from someone who is mentally unwell, has had a really distressing experience, is feeling desperate and vulnerable and is doing the best they can and then decides that the best appropriate repsonse is to kick them some more. Please rest assured that the VAST VAST VAST majority of posters are on your side, want to help and are rooting for you. Plus there is a lot of good advice here.

Having said that I know how it feels to have critical posts mixed in with constructive ones and the critical ones can be the ones that stick in the mind. I have had to come off forums in the past when I recognised I was simply not able to read the posts calmly and just ignore trolling. If that is the case please just step away, or maybe PM people you feel have given helpful advice.

Wishing you and Ozzy all the best.
 
Jasmine2023 said:
Thank you that is exactly how I feel. I now feel unable to cope with any of this and I think the best thing for him and me is to sell him on. I will be having a chat this morning with the YO and see what we can work out. I was promised help with him from them but so far nothing but quiet and only talk to me when I message them.
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I think it’s so hard when you have MH issues. In theory the horses are a wonderful help with that. In reality it can be very overwhelming.

I stopped enjoying riding, it felt pressured and I over analysed everything and it sucked the joy out of it. I now have two ponies as pets and being able to do what I want, when I want with them and removing all of that pressure means I now want to ride again. So taking a bit of time just to get to know Ozzy and removing the pressure seeing as you know you won’t be returning him, might help?

You can’t undo what’s been done so best to focus on a plan going forward. See how he is when you visit today and how you feel.
Maybe take Ahrena up on their offer to give an outside opinion, they can just be a friend coming to meet your new horse!
The fact you were able to ride him is great, and the fact he has some history in his passport is a positive sign too (means it’s not a replacement passport and that you might also be able to trace some of his history)

Did you keep your last horse with this yard?
Is there any other yard that might suit you and Ozzy better?
With the yards communication, it is tricky because if he’s on full livery I wouldn’t necessarily expect them to be giving daily updates or being in touch a lot, on training livery where they’re there to work on issues specifically (rather than just offer daily care like full livery) I would expect more communication.
The cost difference between full and training livery somewhere might be quite small in the grand scheme of things, so something to consider?

When I feel overwhelmed I start by making a list of things I need to do. So maybe for you that might be visit and give him an apple over the gate. Insure him. Do some sleuthing on the passport (or send photos of it to the person who has offered to do it)
And just try to tick one off at a time, don’t look at the full list, just keep focussed on one thing.
I find the worry of doing something is often harder than just doing it - and once it’s done I usually feel a lot better. And if I don’t I can go back to bed and try again another day.
(Of course, you might be totally different but just trying to think what helps me when I get sucked into not seeing the wood for the trees)
 
Jasmine2023 said:
And now I am getting ripped apart for not mentioning a quick tootle around the arena with the owner guiding him. I was more concerned with his other behaviour which would prevent me getting on him again. Thank you to the people that have been sympathetic and helpful instead of judgemental. I am done.
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Your story is certainly very sad reading but not uncommon unfortunately so at least you are not on your own.

I agree with the person who said write things down. I always write lists.

I have to admit I'm a bit confused.
I thought you said you rode him in this new home, as your lesson at the RS where you now keep him?

When you say you rode him was that at the dealers' yard then, or after he arrived with you? If it was afterwards how long after you bought him did you ride? Was he OK to groom and tack up that time & then his behavior went down hill after that?

(It might sound like I'm just picking holes in your story but actually the timings might make a big difference to people understanding what is going on here.)
 
Goldie's mum said:
Your story is certainly very sad reading but not uncommon unfortunately so at least you are not on your own.

I agree with the person who said wright things down. I always wright lists.

I have to admit I'm a bit confused.
I thought you said you rode him in this new home, as your lesson at the RS where you now keep him?

When you say you rode him was that at the dealers' yard then, or after he arrived with you? If it was afterwards how long after you bought him did you ride? Was he OK to groom and tack up that time & then his behavior went down hill after that?

(It might sound like I'm just picking holes in your story but actually the timings might make a big difference to people understanding what is going on here.)
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I think she ment the yard owner tbf to her
Although the post about him on trace my horse indicates the owner of Izzy is younger person with kids so who knows.
 
chaps89 said:
I think it’s so hard when you have MH issues. In theory the horses are a wonderful help with that. In reality it can be very overwhelming.
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Absolutely this. We have horses because the original one was bought to help my daughter through some really cr*p times. She has severe anxiety and also, we now realise, probably autism. They can be a wonderful help for her. But sometimes - and we're going through this right now with the new one - she gets completely overwhelmed by her own expectations of herself and her perceptions of others' expectations. Then she ties herself in knots and can't do a thing except their basic care. Right now she's wrestling with whether she really wants to ride or not, at all. So all I'm saying is that horses are a total mixed blessing, and when you add to this that they're basically psychic and you can't hide anything from them, well it makes for a very complex situation xx
 
If you manage to rehome Ozzy, I would look for a loan rather than purchase.
Jasmine2023 said:
Thank you that is exactly how I feel. I now feel unable to cope with any of this and I think the best thing for him and me is to sell him on. I will be having a chat this morning with the YO and see what we can work out. I was promised help with him from them but so far nothing but quiet and only talk to me when I message them.
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You need a good horsey friend - or professional- not this yo to advise you. I would feel completely lost if I couldn’t get advice from more experienced people at times. People on this thread have offered to help - reach out to one of them! Getting advice from one trusted person can be more beneficial than lots of different opinions when you’re not in a good place mentally.
 
Good luck today @Jasmine2023 . I hope you are pleasantly surprised by an improvement which will give you some encouragement. Horses really can take an awful long time to settle. It took ours months to be really settled on a new yard and we had owned her 8 years and we were still there with her so she at least had a ‘constant’.
 
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Kirstineridesagain said:
If you manage to rehome Ozzy, I would look for a loan rather than purchase.

You need a good horsey friend - or professional- not this yo to advise you. I would feel completely lost if I couldn’t get advice from more experienced people at times. People on this thread have offered to help - reach out to one of them! Getting advice from one trusted person can be more beneficial than lots of different opinions when you’re not in a good place mentally.
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Sorry, first bit of reply was an old draft that I forgot to delete.
 
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