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That is all very positive. At least he was loved at sometime in his life.
Bought unseen problems returning
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Molly22
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This is what I would do. Get him insured, let him settle in his new place. He is probably been moved around a bit and is unsure of everything and everyone. Don't put any more pressure on yourself.
paddy555
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google them, search the internet do everything you can to find them. Even try the vet practice. They may not give you details but may pass on a letter for you. If he is now around 8 and he has 3/4 vac stickers someone loved him once. It would be so helpful to contact them. The previous owner may have had him till 2022 if he was vaccinated, maybe later. They may have fallen on hard times. They may have had to send him to auction very recently where the dealer bought him. Finding his history is very important. It will tell you what horse you have actually got. He could have been a well loved pet who had to be sold.If that is the case it may suggest you have a lovely horse which I am pretty sure that you have.
Not everyone likes to keep in touch about their old horse (before someone says that) but it is always worth a try for the horse's sake. I have kept in touch with many of the old owners of my various horses.
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100%. Insure now, make full use of it get investigations done as required and then you know where you're working. Most times it's the investigations that cost silly money. My horse is now effectively uninsurable as a result of this, but I now know exactly what I'm dealing with so I have her insured for external injury only.
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This. Happened to me, properly taken advantage of by a pushy YM.
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I don't think it's any of your YO's business if you choose to bring a "friend" to see your new horse and give you informal advice.
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Not been necessary in my experience, up to a certain value.
9tails
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He sounds like a scared horse that desperately wanted out of his isolation, hence jumping the barrow, pushing people away and running through his halter. I probably couldn't stop a frightened shetland but I would be attempting to build some sort of relationship with this horse, it doesn't have to be a love match but it could help him to show his true character rather than being labelled bolshy and dangerous less than a week after arriving.
Chianti
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Could he have been slightly sedated for the video? Re him being defensive about food. My pony is still like that after owning him for eight years! He was bought at Appleby as a youngster so goodness knows what his experience of food was with his then owners. At seven he was sold to a riding school. The ponies were only fed at the weekends when they would all be tied up in a long line and a bowl of nuts would be given to each one. They were very close together and there were lots of angry faces to keep the next door pony off their feed. My pony still puts his ears back when you give him feed or hay. I can see that you really loved your last horse. It's very hard replacing something that you've really been bonded with. I know when I lost my first horse that when I started searching for another I was really looking for her. It's almost impossible to believe that you will be able to fall in love with another one. This boy may not be for you- but he might. Please give him time to relax around you. My pony is always more relaxed when he is being groomed outside of his stable. Could you do this? If he'll tie up on the yard then give him a huge haynet and just chat to him. My pony hears a lot about my life!
Traks
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Most companies only need a vetting for over £5k purchase price so say he was £4995! Then no need for a vetting and you can literally insure him now online via Animal Friends or something like that. You can’t claim for 14 days anyway for accident/illness so the sooner he is insured the better! Just in case you need it x
TheresaW
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I bought Ollie from @Clodagh on here about 12/13 years ago. If anyone had seen photos of him, they would have said there were many things wrong with him. (I’m sure she would agree). He has 2 different sized front hooves, his front end absolutely doesn’t match his back end. He’s opinionated and has tested me. Hes never been sick or sorry, and although I don’t ride anymore, he’s got a loaner that dotes on him.
paddy555
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does he have a proper name on his passport? (not just Ozzy) if so google that as well. You never know he may have been at a local show etc or it may produce some more info and also his parentage if there is any clue.
I bought horse I was told was connie. I would have bought him anyway I wanted the horse not the breed. I doubted he was a connie and in fact he looked awfully like a highland X. His passport name gave it away.
You wouldn't give an Irish breed a Scottish name.
paddy555
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I remember you and your YM.I don't think it's any of your YO's business if you choose to bring a "friend" to see your new horse and give you informal advice.
I am also a cynic as a couple of the earlier posters are. I vaguely wonder if your YM will detail all Ozzy's problems and make you an offer for him. Obviously to help you out etc et and help you cut your losses.
That is a very very cynical comment and I really really hope it is not true and that they are working totally to get you and Ozzy happy together. Of course if Ozzy is going to be suitable for them he is going to be more than suitable for you.
In the case of bonnysmum several on here warned about the YM's antics. It seemed unlikely but sadly there was some truth in it.
Jasmine2023
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No he just has Ozzy on the passport.does he have a proper name on his passport? (not just Ozzy) if so google that as well. You never know he may have been at a local show etc or it may produce some more info and also his parentage if there is any clue.
I bought horse I was told was connie. I would have bought him anyway I wanted the horse not the breed. I doubted he was a connie and in fact he looked awfully like a highland X. His passport name gave it away.
You wouldn't give an Irish breed a Scottish name.
I already put that to him and he took offence. The video shows a young girl tacking him up, picking all four feet up, getting on and off him and he stood their calm as anything. That's not the horse I have so I suspect he was drugged.
Jasmine2023
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I remember you and your YM.
I am also a cynic as a couple of the earlier posters are. I vaguely wonder if your YM will detail all Ozzy's problems and make you an offer for him. Obviously to help you out etc et and help you cut your losses.
That is a very very cynical comment and I really really hope it is not true and that they are working totally to get you and Ozzy happy together. Of course if Ozzy is going to be suitable for them he is going to be more than suitable for you.
In the case of bonnysmum several on here warned about the YM's antics. It seemed unlikely but sadly there was some truth in it.
Hmmm I will bear that in mind, thanks.
Amy May In A Manger
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I wouldn't assume that.
My last horse was kind and straightforward. A dream when I tried him. I Brought home a 16.2 fire eating dragon.
After a few weeks to settle and get in to a routine the kind, honest gentleman I bought returned and stayed.
Never, ever under estimate the anxiety a horse may feel when moving to a new owner and home.
JenJ
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OP please be careful when getting insurance. If you declare something that is not quite true eg purchase amount, then it is fraud and they may refuse to pay on any claim.
Jasmine2023
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Oh don't worry about that I know Insurance companies like the back of my hand. All my pets get insured and have done in the over 40 years of owing animals. I currently have 3 policies on the go for 2 cats and 2 dogs! I would never try to defraud them I know I wouldn't get away with it lol. He was just under £5,000 so that's not a problem.
meandmyself
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@Jasmine2023
If you'd be comfortable, send me the details you have and I'll see what I can find out. I'm a research assistant and very good at finding information. I'd be very happy to dig into his past if it would give you some peace of mind.
criso
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Also next time the vet is out, get them to check the microchip and that it matches the passport.
Jasmine2023
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Hi, thank you I may take you up on that offer. Looking at the passport again it looks like he may have had 2 owners.@Jasmine2023
If you'd be comfortable, send me the details you have and I'll see what I can find out. I'm a research assistant and very good at finding information. I'd be very happy to dig into his past if it would give you some peace of mind.
Will do.
motherof2beasts!
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Hi ,
Easier said than done but please try to relax, horses are so in tune with our feelings that if your feeling nervous etc so will he be. Cobs are very sensitive creatures and can take time to settle in , my boy took about 3 months for me to see his true self, before that he was jumpy at everything, a lot of them have had very crappy starts to life and are weary.
I think he looks a very handsome boy and if he does have CPL please don’t panic. There’s a really great Facebook group and you can treat yourself with over the counter products , feeding a good diet etc, my boy has it but now no signs visible we manage it.
I too have depression and my boy has been the best therapist I’ve ever had. Could you take pressure off and just spend time around him and get to know what he likes and doesn’t like ? Mine is very partial to a bum crack scratch.
Will the yard manager try him gently under saddle to see what he’s like?
Also my boy is fabulous but would 100% run out of stable if a wheelbarrow in way or not
also finds some vets terrifying but kinder ones he’s fine with.
Honestly you are very unlikely to see the real horse for a while, he’ll be unsettled and unsure and being at a riding schools a busy environment.
Easier said than done but please try to relax, horses are so in tune with our feelings that if your feeling nervous etc so will he be. Cobs are very sensitive creatures and can take time to settle in , my boy took about 3 months for me to see his true self, before that he was jumpy at everything, a lot of them have had very crappy starts to life and are weary.
I think he looks a very handsome boy and if he does have CPL please don’t panic. There’s a really great Facebook group and you can treat yourself with over the counter products , feeding a good diet etc, my boy has it but now no signs visible we manage it.
I too have depression and my boy has been the best therapist I’ve ever had. Could you take pressure off and just spend time around him and get to know what he likes and doesn’t like ? Mine is very partial to a bum crack scratch.
Will the yard manager try him gently under saddle to see what he’s like?
Also my boy is fabulous but would 100% run out of stable if a wheelbarrow in way or not
also finds some vets terrifying but kinder ones he’s fine with. Honestly you are very unlikely to see the real horse for a while, he’ll be unsettled and unsure and being at a riding schools a busy environment.
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It's a really sad fact that the horse world is full of people who think nothing of taking advantage of others' naivety. Obviously you've owned a horse before so you're not as green as I was, but you do sound like you're in a vulnerable place so just be careful and keep a healthy scepticism when it comes to others' motives.
BTW the end result of my situation is we have a beautiful, happy horse and I wouldn't have it any other way now, but it was a hard road for a good couple of years and I had to burn bridges.
And also btw we recently acquired a new mare as a companion, lovely in every way. Except both times my teenage daughter has tried to take her onto the yard (about 50 yards from the field) she's tanked off. "Can be strong on the ground", yes I'd say so lol! I wasn't sure you could get stronger on the ground than a stubborn chestnut Welsh mare but it seems I was wrong. We have things to work on with her for sure!!
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Jasmine2023
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I am starting to calm down a little. The thing that was really worrying me was that he may have some serious physical issues with his legs that may need operating on which I can't afford nor would I think that weeks of box rest would be good for him. People were mentioning something called psd which scared the crap out of me.Hi ,
Easier said than done but please try to relax, horses are so in tune with our feelings that if your feeling nervous etc so will he be. Cobs are very sensitive creatures and can take time to settle in , my boy took about 3 months for me to see his true self, before that he was jumpy at everything, a lot of them have had very crappy starts to life and are weary.
I think he looks a very handsome boy and if he does have CPL please don’t panic. There’s a really great Facebook group and you can treat yourself with over the counter products , feeding a good diet etc, my boy has it but now no signs visible we manage it.
I too have depression and my boy has been the best therapist I’ve ever had. Could you take pressure off and just spend time around him and get to know what he likes and doesn’t like ? Mine is very partial to a bum crack scratch.
Will the yard manager try him gently under saddle to see what he’s like?
Also my boy is fabulous but would 100% run out of stable if a wheelbarrow in way or not
Honestly you are very unlikely to see the real horse for a while, he’ll be unsettled and unsure and being at a riding schools a busy environment.
Two days before his vet visit and terrible behaviour I did ride him as I needed to before the 7 day warranty was up. We rode in an indoor arena for one of my lessons to try him out. I had forgotten to mention it in my melt down. I was also worried that he may just have been having a good day on that day and I am not comfortable getting on him again since his behaviour on Friday.
I will be up tomorrow to talk to the YO on going forward with him and try to weigh up what to do next. I have asked that he stay in until after my visit and I am going to sit in his stable for a few mins and see how he reacts.
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My Welshie has awful conformation. I didn't know at the time I bought her though, being quite clueless, and professionals who I thought were advising me had vested interests with the yard and, I now know, were not 100% honest with me. So yeah her conformation pre-disposed her to the issues it turned out she has, but if she had a sane brain cell in her head she would be fine for hacking. But she's a chestnut Welsh mare with attitude and history so...
Amy May In A Manger
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So you've ridden him, and he was well behaved?
fredflop
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Best off going up before they are all turned out, or even better when they’ve been brought in from the field
If all his friends are going out, and he’s left behind, he’s likely to panic.
Best off going up before they are all turned out, or even better when they’ve been brought in from the field
CanteringCarrot
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I wouldn't disturb his routine even further by keeping him in while the others go out. That may stress him when he's just getting used to it. Unless he's really just not phased by that. I'm fine with interrupting horses routines and whatnot, but I try not to initially/until they've settled. That in addition to having someone he doesn't know in his space/stable, I wouldn't expect him to be perfect about it.
He may be just fine, but you do need to set yourself and him up for success. If I wanted to interact with him, I'd probably do it after he's come in from turnout and eaten (if they're fed then). That would give me better odds of the horse being more chill.
Sometimes I like to stack all of the things in my favor in delicate situations.
motherof2beasts!
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Please do not worry about his legs or operations at this stage, no one has X-ray eyes. I have my boy insured it’s only £42 a month and they have paid out when needed, he doesn’t have a broken leg so no need to rush straight to worse case scenario .
Just a word of advice can you spend time with him in the field ? He may well be upset about being left in and won’t create a positive atmosphere for you to bond as he’ll be itching to go out. I spend many an hour in the field with my boy just observing/interacting, he’ll be happier out than in.
Were you happy riding him ? That’s great that you did and haven’t said Anthing awful about it. Try again , his behaviour with vet was likely him being a wimp. Mine had a “kicks” marker on when I first got him but it’s since been taken off as he never would but was very unsettled/nervous .
FestiveFuzz
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I agree, I’d just keep him in whatever routine the yard now has him in otherwise you might still find he stresses in the stable.
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