Brecon Sales 15/06/25

nutjob said:
She has operated under several different names so it's difficult when searching for her on dodgy dealer fb pages to get the full story unless you remember her history. She used to do business with some of the very worst characters in the industry and was very vocal in her praise and support of these other businesses. Eventually, she was also screwed over by one of the characters she had been giving glowing references for and appeared shocked at the lack of sympathy she got from his other victims.

In this case, tbf she has made it clear that she has bought this pair as part of her business to sell on and it's up to other people whether they want to send donations to dealers.
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No doubt people will bit like the Cumbrian lot.
If you can't afford a vets bill don't buy a horse.
If your going to profit from it don't beg for money.
I guess it could of been worse for the mare she could of gone on the meal truck and the foal left calling for his mum
 
This made me wonder a bit this morning:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1237049324777883

This pony is entered into Brecon next Saturday but given its name it must have been an RSPCA rescue at some point. I know the RSPCA sign over ownership to the loaner after a year but to them sell it on via an auction just feels off to me ☹️
 
kaiserchief said:
This made me wonder a bit this morning:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1237049324777883

This pony is entered into Brecon next Saturday but given its name it must have been an RSPCA rescue at some point. I know the RSPCA sign over ownership to the loaner after a year but to them sell it on via an auction just feels off to me ☹️
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I don't think your ever allowed to sell them, could be worth sending the link to the rspca
 
jhoward said:
I don't think your ever allowed to sell them, could be worth sending the link to the rspca
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After a period of time (IIRC 6 months ish) in which the adoption is monitored the adopted pony/horse is fully signed over to the adopter/purchaser and is no longer owned by the RSPCA.

I have fostered ponies for the RSPCA.
 
Tiddlypom said:
After a period of time (IIRC 6 months ish) in which the adoption is monitored the adopted pony/horse is fully signed over to the adopter/purchaser and is no longer owned by the RSPCA.

I have fostered ponies for the RSPCA.
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Yes I was having a Google and it seems it happens a fair bit.
 
Sanversera said:
Yes,where do they all go?
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Luckily it's not too far for them to travel, near to Swindon. Of course that only applies to horses not signed out of the food chain, but I'm willing to bet most of these won’t be. A far worse fate would be if they were signed out and they ended up shipped over to Ireland then across to Europe.
 
Large batches of foals at sales is nothing new. Well before the internet, a local dealer would go to the sales to buy foals from Wales. He paid 20 - 50p per foal. Once home you could walk into his fields and have your pick of foals - 2 yr olds for £5. It must have paid as he did this for many years. He had a cattle wagon with sheep decks and could easily come home with 100 foals at a time.
 
rabatsa said:
Large batches of foals at sales is nothing new. Well before the internet, a local dealer would go to the sales to buy foals from Wales. He paid 20 - 50p per foal. Once home you could walk into his fields and have your pick of foals - 2 yr olds for £5. It must have paid as he did this for many years. He had a cattle wagon with sheep decks and could easily come home with 100 foals at a time.
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Which shows nothing changes, even though too many ponies/ horses are being bred, whilst they can make a few quid by breeding any old thing and bunging them all in the sale at the end of the year they will carry on doing it.
 
rabatsa said:
They were all unhandled and Welsh. The biggest would make about 13.2 and they usually became great childrens ponies with a bit of work. When leaving him they would be halter broken and used to having their feet handled but he did not break them in.
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So he was still putting a bit of value on them, doing the initial handling and sorting feet. Sounds like quite a good system all round, particularly for the ponies who otherwise might not have had that path into a decent home and a useful ridden career.
 
Steerpike said:
Which shows nothing changes, even though too many ponies/ horses are being bred, whilst they can make a few quid by breeding any old thing and bunging them all in the sale at the end of the year they will carry on doing it.
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Except that I don't think there are many individuals like @rabatsa 's dealer anymore - people with the land and the nous to take on a load of feral ponies and turn them into something presentable enough that they have a market. And probably the number of purchasers who are confident to buy a cheap, unbroken yearling and bring it on themselves have also fallen.
 
We rent a field from a lady who once told me the story of how she went to an auction to buy a companion pony for her broodmare. Prices weren't great so she put her hand up a couple of times...went to pay and the total seemed higher than expected so at that point she asked how many ponies she'd bought. "23" the lady replied 😂 She said it was a slightly awkward conversation when she phoned her husband and asked him to bring the cattle lorry.

ETA the point of the story (got distracted by small people and clicked post too soon) - she sold them all on over the next few months at a small profit. Her husband never let her go unaccompanied to market again though 😂
 
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Crazy_cat_lady said:
Agreed, so many coloured gypsy cobs that are probably indiscreminately bred, that batch of 30, should imagine theyre wormy etc as well. Is there even that much of a market for them?
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I don't pretend to have much experience, but five gypsy cobs have arrived at our yard in the past 12 months, three as liveries and two for the riding school. They have been without exception fantastic horses, cheerful, willing, safe and kind, and are much loved by their owners and students. One in particular springs to mind, 13hh at best and very hairy, with a short back and a weird little head. She was a riding school purchase and arrived very green with no history, about 8 years old we think. An ex-show jumper mum (tiny lady of course) started taking her out almost as a joke as she needed something to ride to accompany her daughter and the pony needed experience for the school. Well let me tell you, this little scrap of nothing that looks like she fell off the back of a lorry can JUMP, massive scope and so nimble and bold, honestly she outclasses the fancy Welsh competition pony (who is a legitimately brilliant pony in her own right). I went to a clinic with them, the kind 'proper' horses go to, and the instructor's face when she saw her and again when she saw what she can DO was hilarious.

I'm certainly not advocating for indiscriminate breeding but to answer your question based on my own anecdotal experience a decent number of those foals could probably make desirable horses which certain types of rider (myself included) would pay good money for.
 
jkitten said:
I don't pretend to have much experience, but five gypsy cobs have arrived at our yard in the past 12 months, three as liveries and two for the riding school. They have been without exception fantastic horses, cheerful, willing, safe and kind, and are much loved by their owners and students. One in particular springs to mind, 13hh at best and very hairy, with a short back and a weird little head. She was a riding school purchase and arrived very green with no history, about 8 years old we think. An ex-show jumper mum (tiny lady of course) started taking her out almost as a joke as she needed something to ride to accompany her daughter and the pony needed experience for the school. Well let me tell you, this little scrap of nothing that looks like she fell off the back of a lorry can JUMP, massive scope and so nimble and bold, honestly she outclasses the fancy Welsh competition pony (who is a legitimately brilliant pony in her own right). I went to a clinic with them, the kind 'proper' horses go to, and the instructor's face when she saw her and again when she saw what she can DO was hilarious.

I'm certainly not advocating for indiscriminate breeding but to answer your question based on my own anecdotal experience a decent number of those foals could probably make desirable horses which certain types of rider (myself included) would pay good money for.
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Those people want 6yr olds back and quiet. But no one wants to take them on as yongsters, pour money and time in and sell at a huge loss. I did it for a few years. Enjoyed it, learnt a lot and just treated it as an expensive hobby. I also had a huge field with hills, and streams and rough ground, perfect to bring youngsters up on.
 
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