Calling all Doggie Chefs!Recipes-tripe/ox heart mice etc

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SaharaS

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Quick home cook question as I am not long a meat eater myself & not wishing to experiment on my dog!:-) We've decided to wean off holistic dry complete feed and tried raw which only agrees with him if its veg...before anyone gets cross with me..there simply are some dogs who's systems just don't do raw meat...I've just bought an amazing selection of different meats which he will have cooked especially for him..same principles as raw diet..varied on different days & aiming to balance over the week not daily..has brown rice/veg grains eggs milk cheese herbs(choses his own!) wholegrain pasta etc etc too basically following natural diet and he's already looking really good on it..my ramble is getting to the point so hang in there!
Amongst my selection crammed into freezer I have:
minced tripe,
minced chicken(oddly looks same as minced beef v red in colour)
minced ox hearts & offal
ox kidneys (not minced)
ox liver(sloppy ectoplasmic mess form):eek:
I love the smell of liver,kidneys and beef mince...chicken boiled in a veg stew etc but am after your best recipes or ways to cook it so I won't have to fumigate the house or gag! I'm not great at touching raw expired masses that used to have fur/feather/scales legs etc and trying to give him variety so....
once defrosted if i cook the minced ox hearts will they smell like minced beef etc of will I be running out of the house never to return...and how do I do the tripe? I've smelt raw unfrozen tripe & wanted to gripfill my nostrils & never inhale again...so guessing it will smell vile cooked on the hob....soooo can I oven cook raw mice and how best to do it..if the ox hearts & ox mince with ox offal aren't too bad I'm happy to do on the stove first...would be very greatful to have some ideas...I'm thinking a stew type if raw in oven?or can I do a mice & veg bake style thing?
Sorry if this sounds a silly thread - I love cooking just am still a bit of a delicate flower with some things and ...I have a hungry polar bear on my hands here who has taken his broccoli & a brussel sprout wand to gnaw while we wait for your lovely recipes!:o
 
one of the points of feeding RAW, is surely that the dog eats it raw. you don't need to cook it. In fact the minced chicken will contain bits of bones that are OK for your dog to eat when they are raw. Cooked chicken bone is not OK for dogs to eat.

When I buy hearts for my dogs, I just cut it into chunks and they wolf it down - that is if the cats don't get it first. They go quite crazy as soon as they hear me open the pack.
 
his digestive system cannot tollerate raw meat. (I mentioned this in the first bit of my post:) i simply bought the frozen meat raw for cooking for him....raw eggs fine raw veg fine...raw meat big no no.thats simply the way he is.
 
Well, you can't give him mixed chicken if it contains bone fragments then! Sorry, but he will have to have chicken fillet.

As to cooking for your dog, we do that. They get boiled rice or oats (sometimes a mix!) along with boiled minced beef/pork/any non poultry.

They have raw offal including bones and raw fruit and veg on top of this, but there are ways around the raw issue for your dog, if you are sure he can't manage it.

Liver/kidney/hearts, etc: turn lightly in a pan until they are just cooked through and allow to cool before serving. You can chop them up if you wish.

Fish is best steamed or grilled, if you buy whole fish the innards can be cooked as per liver etc. Mackerel, sardines, and occasional smoked salmon trimmings are all good. You don't need to cook the smoked salmon.

I would go easy on feeding him cheese. We give ours cottage cheese mixed with chunky peanut butter, oats soaked in double cream and plain yoghurt - about a heaped tablespoon each - once a week with their fish ration. It's good for their coats but piles on calories and is very rich. Also expensive!

It's a shame he can't have raw meat. What happens if you don't mind my asking?

One of ours can't have tripe at all it gives him the runs, another one won't touch raw fish and has to have it cooked! She also is fussy about liver; it has to be chicken liver or she won't touch it. Third is a Labrador and can eat anything. Walls included...

They all get gassy if they have had a rich meal, such as a raw turkey leg, but they have no major problems. We weaned them onto it gradually. They get boiled rice and mince too since OH likes cooking for them, TBH...
 
SaharaS said:
his digestive system cannot tollerate raw meat. (I mentioned this in the first bit of my post:) i simply bought the frozen meat raw for cooking for him....raw eggs fine raw veg fine...raw meat big no no.thats simply the way he is.
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Also raw egg is not good for dogs - the yolk is ok but the whites aren't. They don't really need egg in their diet, usually, unless they are being used for breeding, etc. Very high protein.

And herbs, watch out none of them are related to onions!

You know, it's almost enough to drive you back to processed food, lol!
 
thank you...the minced chicken has just gone down the road in my food recycling-wasn't risking it!

eggs raw make me gag so tend to feed them to him scrambled with goat milk-he only has raw if dropped by mistake or if chicken gets out & lays it where he can get it!

re cheese..tiny bit grated on his cauliflower as part of his veg..really minimal!

I'm fine cooking chicken & fish...minced beef etc and would never feed raw fish as know is dangerous...

herbs-don't panic I have several natural dog/holistic natural diet books...tho simply just struggling with the odd new minced things...mainly how to cook so i don't curl up & die...can i put mince in dish & bake /roast in oven-cannot remove fat as it is minced so would have gone off by the time I work thru it!:eek:ergh yuk so its really....are minced tripe & minced ox heart ok to thaw & cook in oven or do i have to heat thru in pan first/strain fats & then put in oven or just bung in oven??...(important...WILL IT SMELL VILE?) tripe worries me the most..as been told NOT to cook it but as you all know food debates having their way we would all never eat again!:eek:

have tried him several times on raw & he is very sick both ends each time...then is off food. checked with holistic alternative friendly vet thinking may have been bug or something who said simply it doesn't agree with him. I tried doing the gradual switch & instant switch & also feeding small bits in addition between meals...this was the deciding key ...raw goes in...all quickly goes wrong!thats why I was tryign to say he can eat veg & dairy raw...as in I don't by choice, but his body CAN tollerate that...he also adores quinoa & barley so is easy to get other goodies in him and he digests those really well too(phew)...just my rubbishness with new alien mince that I am fretting over & gettign to the point v badly!:-)
 
In fairness to Sahara my older one and his sister, when we had her, couldn't tolerate raw meat. Bones fine, anything like chicken or liver did not work for them. A turkey leg every so often is about as much as he can take without removing all his hair :(

I feed raw eggs too, and small amounts of garlic every so often, EEEKKK!!!!

I don't cook mine either and agree cooked bones are a no-no, stick to the offal, but there are people on here who buy the Prize Choice stuff and sling it in an old microwave, would that suffice?
 
CaveCanem said:
In fairness to Sahara my older one and his sister, when we had her, couldn't tolerate raw meat. Bones fine, anything like chicken or liver did not work for them. A turkey leg every so often is about as much as he can take without removing all his hair :(

I feed raw eggs too, and small amounts of garlic every so often, EEEKKK!!!!

I don't cook mine either and agree cooked bones are a no-no, stick to the offal, but there are people on here who buy the Prize Choice stuff and sling it in an old microwave, would that suffice?
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Thank you CC...microwave is contained...and on extn lead on decking!:-)yay!

My boy has had massive hair loss around that time too..tho I'd put that down to stress..he as you know has issues with men/people with eyes/new dogs and stressed easily ...but thinking of it his furminating was far worse when he had tried the raw...so that seals that for me! I do wonder how he would cope with marrow bones tho with barely any meat ie just bone & marrow raw..I have bought those roasted tho am worried about the cooked bones aspect so gave them to a rescue centre...poor dog I tease him by buying these things then stress for hours while he patiently waits....and gets his usual rice chicken & veg! Just made honey blueberry & oat muffins which my bf was jealous of(sent pic on phone)....tho think it was the fact they were made in the only silicone bakeware i could find...which happened to be heart shaped muffins!Hes crying at them thru window while they cool(taking surprisingly forever despite the cold!)thank you v much xx
 
sorry to hijack but are raw eggs REALLY bad for dogs? Mine have one every day and don't seem to have come to any harm?
I would have thought minced chicken and bone cooked will be ok, it is because chicken bones splinter when cooked they are dangerous but minced should be ok?
We have had the hairloss problem too and been excluding red meat for 3 months now, still unsure as to the cause but vet thinks possibly hormonal.
 
Dizzykizzy said:
sorry to hijack but are raw eggs REALLY bad for dogs? Mine have one every day and don't seem to have come to any harm?
I would have thought minced chicken and bone cooked will be ok, it is because chicken bones splinter when cooked they are dangerous but minced should be ok?
We have had the hairloss problem too and been excluding red meat for 3 months now, still unsure as to the cause but vet thinks possibly hormonal.
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No eggs are fine for dogs. They should be eating the whole egg not just the whites.
 
Mmmmmmm......muffins........

My dog's hair loss was triggered by allergies and when I switched him to raw it just went ballistic, maybe I should have worked through the cold turkey but he was bald and bleeding :( he is also very insecure and I think it may also be linked to stress, which I believe also has an effect on his immune systems. Fun times....as mentioned on another thread my new supplier is starting a type of Autarky that might suit him better than what he is on now.

Meanwhile the young dog is nomming on some hearts and ribs, ah, dogs, dontcha just love em....
 
I always heard raw eggs are good for dogs, both of mine love eggs and have never had any problems with them. I was told theyre 100% digested (every bit of the egg is used by the body, nothing comes out the other end) Arizahn, youre the first person ive ever heard to say eggs were bad :confused: almost everyone i know who feeds raw feeds eggs and have never had any problems :confused:
 
Thank you all....its so difficult with so many differing opinions, on everything for us let alone dogs, so think half the time its trusting your gut after doing ridiculous amounts of research & confusing yourself thoroughly!(keeps lap warm tho with Mac laptop & polar bear on atleast!)

CC I hope your boy is ok..sounds like he shares a few similar probs to mine, delicate souls hey! Have lovely muffin recipes that are actually rather yummy and still totally dog friendly..I've taken to chucking in some blueberries & also some local live probiotic yoghurt(blueberry or strawberry but organic so they are real fruit not artificial flavour) he absolutely loves them...I add molasses or muscovado(dark brown) sugar and have to say...he sits by the oven guarding them! happy to share recipes if anyone interested pm me you can have some real fun with the ingredients sweet or savoury & as hes a fussy eater ..or WAS should I say...I split his daily scoff allowance between three meals(suits me as am always not far from my kitchen/fridge!!!) he finds it easier to eat that way like with the horses, little & often..less sicky that way too!So have come up with these meals in a muffin type for breakfast or any times that you are in mad rush or simply no energy to cook.

I had him on Autarky Salmon or chicken which he loved when he first came(had been on some real expletive based filler with colourings & additives certral...but I really don't think he was ever that much into dry food..he turned his nose up on the vile food he arrived with and really picked up on the autarky but always seemed to eat it tiny biscuit by tiny biscuit..also started scratching alot.Since I started cooking for him, it stopped literally within days and he now turns his nose up at the Autarky, unless i use it as a topper on his stews!(typical of me to buy brand new sack day before starting home cooking!:rolleyes:)but with the home cooked, he still chews everything really carefully but doesnt lift his nose out of his bowl till its all gone & thoroughly licked..the bit I find most fun is when i get the fresh herbs out to add, he comes to help choses his own...:D....its like having a panel of super chefs judging my every attempt!
 
Stop, I am drooling!!!

My fella wasn't abused or anything, he lived on his breeder's farm for the first six months of his life and everything after that in the outside world was a bit of a headmelter for him. What with him being so big, when he kicks off, he kicks off big style (not so much any more) but to people who don't know him it looked aggressive rather than OMG what the hell is this thing? And this? And this?!
All comes from his mother, I only met her properly after I had acquired both him and his sister and their behaviour made a lot of sense after that....

This Autarky is low protein, fish based and cereal free (for oldies :o) so ticks all his boxes.
 
CaveCanem said:
Stop, I am drooling!!!

My fella wasn't abused or anything, he lived on his breeder's farm for the first six months of his life and everything after that in the outside world was a bit of a headmelter for him. What with him being so big, when he kicks off, he kicks off big style (not so much any more) but to people who don't know him it looked aggressive rather than OMG what the hell is this thing? And this? And this?!
All comes from his mother, I only met her properly after I had acquired both him and his sister and their behaviour made a lot of sense after that....

This Autarky is low protein, fish based and cereal free (for oldies :o) so ticks all his boxes.
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oh is that the Autumn Light?I shall investigate...that might be worth a look...tho my little fur baby is still v much a baby but no harm in having a look as it won't be his main course!he wasn't so keen on the hearts after all this!:D

Which breed are yours?? funny how so many people mistake melt downs for aggression esp in big breeds or because they are having info overload..its actually quite amazing how many people just presume..I've sworn from day 1 he genuinely has no aggression..purely fear & other days its just all too much...very amused to say have had several 'very important' behaviourists who live & walk v locally stop me & offer to help with his locally well known 'fear aggression'...(pffff) ALL 3 of them actually eventually apologised and said they took it back & it doesn't even come into that category...its just pure fear!He's coming on really well now, still baby steps, but we had a free run today with his 2 new friends...one very happy mum & one very knackered little bear!
 
Hmm, I'm hearing the opposite regarding eggs - especially raw egg whites! But interesting to see that many people feed them with no issues:) Was also told that egg shells must be powdered so the dog can safely digest them.
I think I will try ours on a raw egg each and see what they think.

OP, we feed raw fish all the time, save for the one who prefers it cooked. Messy but the dogs are fine on it:confused:

There seem to be at least a dozen ways to do everything, TBH, lol! Regarding the mince, we leave the fat in and they are happy to eat it all. They need fatty bits in their diet too. We solve it by buying lean mince. It's not too greasy but still has some fat through it.

Do you ever think we are over thinking this?
 
I think we might be :p I never measure or weigh anything raw or do any of the percentages, I just chuck stuff at mine....he's 36kgs, coat is fantastic, teeth are fantastic, he is well muscled and built like a mini-tank....but I am probably doing it all wrong :o :o :o
 
Arizahn said:
Do you ever think we are over thinking this?
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YES!!! :D Am guilty sorry!I think there is possibly too much info out there and too many opposing opinions..for eg..I bought two excellent natural whole food dog diet books.Both recommend each other in the books & on the internet..really well written & informative..both are vets with numerous reams of letters after their names & both have the same goal..yet one says nutmeg is deadly..the other literally shovels it into her recipes..its the same with fish as with the eggs & garlic..i'm always VERY open to new ideas & opinions as at the end of the day they are all different just as we are..wouldn't it all be super boring if we weren't!

I do have a silly ad on bones question ..so click new posts tab now if am giving headaches!:D
he can't cope with raw meat...but I wanted to give him a marrow bone with no meat to try, literally bone & filling..beef i think.is that likely to upset or should I roast it when defrosted...and how roughly long would you defrost for?Have plenty of willing mouths to give to but interested to see others experiences if their dogs could cope despite not being able to cope with raw meat..
 
Arizahn said:
Hmm, I'm hearing the opposite regarding eggs - especially raw egg whites! But interesting to see that many people feed them with no issues:) Was also told that egg shells must be powdered so the dog can safely digest them.
I think I will try ours on a raw egg each and see what they think.

OP, we feed raw fish all the time, save for the one who prefers it cooked. Messy but the dogs are fine on it:confused:

There seem to be at least a dozen ways to do everything, TBH, lol! Regarding the mince, we leave the fat in and they are happy to eat it all. They need fatty bits in their diet too. We solve it by buying lean mince. It's not too greasy but still has some fat through it.

Do you ever think we are over thinking this?
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The issue is that eggs whites contain avidin which can deplete your dogs biotin. But egg yolks have massive amounts of Biotin more than enough to counteract the Avidin.

So if you were feeding 20 egg whites a day you may have a problem but feeding the whole egg you will have no problem.

People feed the shells for added calcium.
 
CaveCanem said:
I think we might be :p I never measure or weigh anything raw or do any of the percentages, I just chuck stuff at mine....he's 36kgs, coat is fantastic, teeth are fantastic, he is well muscled and built like a mini-tank....but I am probably doing it all wrong :o :o :o
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nasty mother!there really can't be rights or wrongs tho..condition says it all ...all boxes ticked..and that means one happy healthy dog...and you are probably FAR safer than say with relying on manufacturers recommendations..after all..they all have some filler content and also they are going to be keen to sell as much as poss as often as poss..
 
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