Can only thoroughbreds race under jockey club rules and why ?

[Gingerwitch]

Just wondering really, if a non pure t b could ever be in a race and if not whom decided this.

It's quite funny in today's society, I am expecting a campaign as it is bound to affront someone in our society at this moment I time.

 

[HashRouge]

Just wondering really, if a non pure t b could ever be in a race and if not whom decided this.

It's quite funny in today's society, I am expecting a campaign as it is bound to affront someone in our society at this moment I time.

Do you mean in a race with TBs or just in general? Because there is Purebred Arabian racing, which I think comes under the BHA and is sometimes on the same card as TB racing.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Do you mean in a race with TBs or just in general? Because there is Purebred Arabian racing, which I think comes under the BHA and is sometimes on the same card as TB racing.

In the same race I suppose ? I just wondered if you could enter a mixed breed.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

We used to have a member on this forum (Angrove?) who bred high % TB's that were tobiano (so skewbalds and piebalds) and raced them. I don't think they ran well but they were allowed to race.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Another one.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Hey thanks for that, I wonder if that was more of a colour project ? Off to check what the lowest % tb genes would be sllowed to run in the same race as a full t b

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Yes they were definitely breeding for colour. IIRC they were very passionate about it. The horses were lovely and I'd have had one, just not to race.

 

[Henry02]

I believe in a hunt members race at p2p you can enter what ever you want

 

[Buster2020]

I was thinking the same thing. Some race horses look like they are Irish sport horse they look bigger boned than a Tb should be. my horse is a Irish sport horse and is big boned and some of the race horse looks extremely like her in build and color . It crazy but it wouldn’t surprise me if are breeding them with other breeds and trying to pass them off as race horses .

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I suspect that there is more variety within the TB breed than you realise. Also some 'ISH' are really very high % TB.

A flat, sprint bred three year old is not going to have the same body type as a National Hunt horse that goes over the big fences.

I used to ride a US bred horse, so bred to run on dirt tracks and he was massive. The big joke with him was that he probably wouldn't have fit in the starting stalls over here (he was retired from racing when I knew him).

 

[rabatsa]

I had a mare of unrecorded breeding who was registered with Weatherbys on the NTR as a broodmare. Her ofspring registered NTR by a TB could have raced.

 

[Gingerwitch]

I had a mare of unrecorded breeding who was registered with Weatherbys on the NTR as a broodmare. Her ofspring registered NTR by a TB could have raced.

What is NTR ?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I think it's 'non Thoroughbred registry' or something similar along those lines.

 

[spacefaer]

NTR Non thoroughbred register

 

[spacefaer]

Why would you want to race a non TB?
There are plenty of slow TBs - why add another non competitive horse into the mix!

 

[Errin Paddywack]

I believe a friend's appaloosa by a TB out of an appy mare qualified to race but can't remember what the rules were. One of those vague memories from way back.

 

[bonny]

I’ve seen pony racing, Arab racing, shetland racing and heavy horse racing !

 

[ester]

rumbaba was 75% TB iirc.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

To be able to race in the Derby or the Grand National the horse needs to be at least 7/8 tb. The coloureds were bred specifically for colour and were totally useless as racehorses but yes they bred them through with enough TB blood to race.

There is a TB stallion from America called I Was Framed who is an Overo and produces coloured stock but none of them are very good. It's more to catch the eye than for talent.

There is also Arab racing and whilst Arabs are a lot slower than TB's they can race against each other in bin end racing. It gives the really really naff tb's somewhere to race.

The Shetland Pony Grand National is very popular and happens at events all over the country.

Pony racing the ponies can be of any breed so long as they are under a certain height and the riders under a certain age.

Donkey racing, Camel racing and Heavy Horse racing is more of a spectacle for special events than a routine thing.

I *think* Hunter members races at Point To Points can have anyone enter them on anything if the hunt master deems you safe enough.

 

[ihatework]

Well you learn something new every day, I did not realise 7/8ths could technically run in top flight races!!

Has any 7/8th ever won a big race do you know?

 

[bonny]

I don’t think hunt members races for non tbs exist anymore. There used to be races over walls etc for them but they’ve all been consigned to history.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Well you learn something new every day, I did not realise 7/8ths could technically run in top flight races!!

Has any 7/8th ever won a big race do you know?

Many many times over jumps. Including Sprinter Sacre - He was AQPS as was Kauto Star I think.

On the flat - probably but I am not as interested in that side of things lol!

 

[ihatework]

Many many times over jumps. Including Sprinter Sacre - He was AQPS as was Kauto Star I think.

On the flat - probably but I am not as interested in that side of things lol!

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Every day is a school day!

 

[criso]

In France they have AQPS (Autre que pur sang) with a separate stud book that are not full tbs that race. There'll be one strand of AQPS or Selle Francais in their ancestry but if you looked at the pedigree they are a very high percentage tb and been bred to race for a few generations so it's a technicality really. Quevega was one, I don't know if her foals born here are registered as tb but in France they would not be.

Just double checked on SIRE and Quevega is actually registered as a Selle Francais.

 

[Gingerwitch]

Thanks for all the replies, learnt a lot thanks GW x

 

[Lulwind]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AQPS

interesting that non pure bred TBs have also won the national

 

[bonny]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AQPS

interesting that non pure bred TBs have also won the national

They are tbs in all but name, it just means they have an ancestor, usually a long way back that wasn’t on the Tb register.

 

[LadyGascoyne]

I think Selle Francais x Thb is quite a popular racing mix.

 

[Steerpike]

To be able to race in the Derby or the Grand National the horse needs to be at least 7/8 tb. The coloureds were bred specifically for colour and were totally useless as racehorses but yes they bred them through with enough TB blood to race.

There is a TB stallion from America called I Was Framed who is an Overo and produces coloured stock but none of them are very good. It's more to catch the eye than for talent.

There is also Arab racing and whilst Arabs are a lot slower than TB's they can race against each other in bin end racing. It gives the really really naff tb's somewhere to race.

The Shetland Pony Grand National is very popular and happens at events all over the country.

Pony racing the ponies can be of any breed so long as they are under a certain height and the riders under a certain age.

Donkey racing, Camel racing and Heavy Horse racing is more of a spectacle for special events than a routine thing.

I *think* Hunter members races at Point To Points can have anyone enter them on anything if the hunt master deems you safe enough.

They don't have the low rated TB races on Arab cards any more, haven't had them for 3 or 4 years. They never did race against each other.

 

[thefarsideofthefield]

Has nobody else read National Velvet ?
The Pie won the National .