Can only thoroughbreds race under jockey club rules and why ?

[criso]

I believe before passports came in, some people used to try to pass tb's off as an ish to get more money when selling.

I don't think it's completely gone away, someone I know bought an ISH youngster of unknown breeding whose passport had been mislaid who was much finer built than my French NH type tb who got mistaken for a warmblood all the time. And a transporter I know said they often find 2 or 3 chips in horses they bring over from Ireland suggesting it's not the first passport that horse has had.

 

[Mule]

To be able to race in the Derby or the Grand National the horse needs to be at least 7/8 tb. The coloureds were bred specifically for colour and were totally useless as racehorses but yes they bred them through with enough TB blood to race.

There is a TB stallion from America called I Was Framed who is an Overo and produces coloured stock but none of them are very good. It's more to catch the eye than for talent.

There is also Arab racing and whilst Arabs are a lot slower than TB's they can race against each other in bin end racing. It gives the really really naff tb's somewhere to race.

The Shetland Pony Grand National is very popular and happens at events all over the country.

Pony racing the ponies can be of any breed so long as they are under a certain height and the riders under a certain age.

Donkey racing, Camel racing and Heavy Horse racing is more of a spectacle for special events than a routine thing.

I *think* Hunter members races at Point To Points can have anyone enter them on anything if the hunt master deems you safe enough.

I read an article that someone on hho recently posted about a study of Arabian horses. The article described how the authors found that the tb may be descended from other hot bloods rather than arabs. What caught my attention was that the authors discovered a lot of tb blood in the genes of arab racers. It seems breeders have been introducing tb genes on the quiet for a long time.

 

[Mule]

I don't think it's completely gone away, someone I know bought an ISH youngster of unknown breeding whose passport had been mislaid who was much finer built than my French NH type tb who got mistaken for a warmblood all the time. And a transporter I know said they often find 2 or 3 chips in horses they bring over from Ireland suggesting it's not the first passport that horse has had.

Nothing would surprise me when it comes to horses. I think people will always find ways around the regulations

 

[bonny]

Its generally easier to sell a horse without evidence that it was an exracehorse !

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

There’s a whole bunch of fancy colours in TBs. some very nice palominos and buckskins in America, as well as double dilutes. Most of them seem to be with sports horse breeders rather than racing yards, putting some blood and colour into eventers and the like.

Japan has a huge lot of various white ones as well, quite a few racing over there, although I don’t know how they’d do over here.

There was a roan line born from a stallion with a mutation as well, but I don’t know if that family still exists.

Buchiko came up on Facebook a while back.Not pure white.
https://www.horsenation.com/2016/01/26/buchiko-the-spotted-racehorse-turns-heads-in-japan/

 

[Cloball]

I think there is evidence to suggest that coloured, dilute and spotted ones were bred out or lost in a lot of older European breeds which is a shame. I have no problems with putting them back in as log as it's not going to have a detrimental effect. I'm sure TBs don't need any more over breeding though.
Did Trakhenners and Kinskies ever official run under rules in European? Just because I have been reading a fascinating book about a women who won the Pardubice on a palomino Kinsky.

 

[Snowfilly]

I think there is evidence to suggest that coloured, dilute and spotted ones were bred out or lost in a lot of older European breeds which is a shame. I have no problems with putting them back in as log as it's not going to have a detrimental effect. I'm sure TBs don't need any more over breeding though.
Did Trakhenners and Kinskies ever official run under rules in European? Just because I have been reading a fascinating book about a women who won the Pardubice on a palomino Kinsky.

There’s all sorts of weird colours in the Iberian breeds, although I think it’s mostly been bred out. Lots of dilutes.
There was a very handsome coloured Lipazzaner colt foaled a couple of years ago, but he was a grey carrier and greyed out very quickly.

Look at all the patterns in the American breeds - they all came down from the settlers horses, as did the gaited movements.

What’s the book by the way? Sounds fascinating.

 

[Red-1]

I believe in a hunt members race at p2p you can enter what ever you want

This is true, or certainly was in times gone by. One of my early horses won such a race, and pulled up lame in the year after's with 2 blown tendons. It was all to the good, as I could never have afforded such a horse, and we bought her afterwards, as she was starting trot/canter work on her recovery. She had flares on her legs as opposed to drainpipes but, after a year of steady work, she went back to hard work and hunted hard for years with bloodhounds.

She was something like 1/4 Cleveland bay! Looked nothing like a TB. Heart of a lion though.

 

[Steerpike]

There is a couple of very good racing Arab Sires that have dubious backgrounds, such as Amer and Burning Sands, there is always great debate when they are brought up in discussions!

 

[Cloball]

There’s all sorts of weird colours in the Iberian breeds, although I think it’s mostly been bred out. Lots of dilutes.
There was a very handsome coloured Lipazzaner colt foaled a couple of years ago, but he was a grey carrier and greyed out very quickly.

Look at all the patterns in the American breeds - they all came down from the settlers horses, as did the gaited movements.

What’s the book by the way? Sounds fascinating.

Unbreakable: The Woman Who Defied The Nazis In The World’s Most Dangerous Horse Race

Pretty much National Velvet with Nazis. Very fascinating piece of history. I also read Race Across The Ice after as I was curious about the story of the East Prussian horses which was also very interesting if you're into modern history novels.