bonny
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Can only thoroughbreds race under jockey club rules and why ?
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dorsetladette
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We used to have a member on this forum (Angrove?) who bred high % TB's that were tobiano (so skewbalds and piebalds) and raced them. I don't think they ran well but they were allowed to race.
I grew up in the same village as the lady that bred the 'colourbreds'. she started off with coloured that she used to show in hand when (even before) CHAPS was established. I'm not sure she still has horses herself but her stallion and a couple of the others she bred were doing quite well in the ROR and dressage fields.
I seem to remember they had to be 7/8th's thoroughbred to race under rules, but i could be wrong.
Widgeon
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Haha, yes, I was thinking of the Black Stallion, but same principle. Of COURSE the answer is yes - because these are true stories, right....right...?
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mini_b
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Really enjoying the replies to this - very informative!
spacefaer
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Several point to points run Hunt Scurries which are races for all comers, TB or otelherwise. The only restrictions tend to be that the horse must have been hunted and that neither the jockey or the horse be currently registered to race under Rules.
The High Peak hunt still run a form of their race over their stone walls but it's run as a relay rather than a traditional race.
Some point to points still run Members Races but they are tricky to get runners for as they are run under the rules of racing which mean that the amateur jockeys have to get medicals and a licence to be able to ride, which is rarely worth it. The horses will still be TBs as anyone riding round will want to be competitive!
criso
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While that's true , in France it's also recognised as a separate strand of breeding for a certain tyoe.
https://theownerbreeder.com/features/a-thoroughbred-in-all-but-name/
http://www.theracingapp.co.uk/blog/sprinter-sacre-not-a-thoroughbred-hes-a-what-aqps/
Interesting the route they take being shown as youngsters in conformation classes
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Whilst they claim Rhumbaba was the first coloured racehorse to be placed in the UK he was 4th beaten 74 lengths in a bumper at Hexham and never returned to the winners enclosure because they only bring in 1st-3rd there. He only ran 3 times, his final run being in another bumper at Hexham which had 3 runners so he was 3rd through default of the fact that it ks very hard not to finish a bumper given that it is just a flat race. Again he was betean out of sight and was officially a distance behind - from the way they work it out by time he was beaten nearly 200 lengths.
So whilst it was a spectacle for people to look at it was a pretty useless experiement. Same with the other 2 that ran.
Breeding for colour in any breed usually means you sacrifice other things. In this case racing talent and soundness. They have gone on to do other things.
So whilst it was a spectacle for people to look at it was a pretty useless experiement. Same with the other 2 that ran.
Breeding for colour in any breed usually means you sacrifice other things. In this case racing talent and soundness. They have gone on to do other things.
ester
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I never did see the point, especially as TBs can throw up much more interesting pattern mutations than tobiano is.
mini_b
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ester
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Of course 
TBs (and one line of Arabs) seem to throw up more KIT mutations (W genes) than the rest of the equine population.
TBs (and one line of Arabs) seem to throw up more KIT mutations (W genes) than the rest of the equine population.
Auslander
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Why would people want to cross TBs with other breeds? The general idea is to breed faster, not slower!
spacefaer
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Back in the day before passports, there were plenty of heavier boned National Hunt type TBs being passed off as Irish Sport Horses. Really not sure why you'd do it the other way- most ISHs are worth a lot more money than slow TBs ??
Meowy Catkin
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All racehorses are DNA tested to be regsitered.
They started crossing with Selle Francais to put more substance and stamina back into tb's for jump racing.
mini_b
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Dominant White Thoroughbred
Dominant White Arab
Second photo very other worldly - not seen anything like that!
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Dominant White Thoroughbred
Dominant White Arab
I could live the the dominant white TB but not the Arab! The head looks too weird with all the pink for my liking!
There was a White TB racing over fences in this country. For the life of me I can't remember it's name but I think Kerry Lee had it. Might be Russe Blanc or something of the likes!
HashRouge
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That fully white TB is utterly stunning! Bet he turns heads on the racecourse!
photo_jo
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The white thoroughbred pictured, Casta Diva, was bred at Windsor Park Stud in New Zealand, their mare The Opera House has had a few white TB running, there was also one sold in Ireland by Presenting which ran over here but picked up an injury. Back in the 1970's ish a French breeder had a family of TB white horses- Boule De Neige was one of them
photo_jo
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I'm pretty sure there was a South African 'white' yearling with chestnut ears
ester
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US TBs also have Frame/OLWS but I think that was a hop over in earlier breeding.
photo_jo
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There you go, this is The Opera House and some of her four white foals
ester
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For those that aren't familiar this is the current list of W alleles. But they get new ones cropping up fairly regularly.
https://www.animalgenetics.us/equine/coat_color/DW.asp
https://www.animalgenetics.us/equine/coat_color/DW.asp
photo_jo
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And they turn pink after being washed down!
photo_jo
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Russe Blanc won over fences, he was French bred and went eventing, the Irish bred was called The White Admiral and was by Revoque not Presenting
thefarsideofthefield
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You'd go pink if someone took pictures of you having a bath .
Snowfilly
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There’s a whole bunch of fancy colours in TBs. some very nice palominos and buckskins in America, as well as double dilutes. Most of them seem to be with sports horse breeders rather than racing yards, putting some blood and colour into eventers and the like.
Japan has a huge lot of various white ones as well, quite a few racing over there, although I don’t know how they’d do over here.
There was a roan line born from a stallion with a mutation as well, but I don’t know if that family still exists.
Japan has a huge lot of various white ones as well, quite a few racing over there, although I don’t know how they’d do over here.
There was a roan line born from a stallion with a mutation as well, but I don’t know if that family still exists.
Mule
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I believe before passports came in, some people used to try to pass tb's off as an ish to get more money when selling.
photo_jo
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The Opera House, dam of the white foals above was bred in the purple, she's a three quarter sister to Might And Power and Casta Diva her white Japanese raced daughter was due to be covered by Deep Impact but he died so she went to Gold Ship (grey) and had a white filly