Cant help him no more

Very sorry for situation you are in.

But please just pts this horse, no ones life is wroth it, he's had his chance. It's not worked.
 
What a terrible story about the little girl :(

From my perspective, there are SO many abused and mistreated horses out there that would never lift a hoof, I would not waste time on one that has hurt so many people. If it was a dog that had badly bitten someone it would not be getting 5 chances to do so again - it would be PTS end of story. This horse can kill a whole lot easier than the majority of dogs. The money OP may spend on trainers etc to have a horse she may never feel safe and happy with would no doubt save quite a few horses from the sales.

I wish you all the luck in the world OP
 
it sonds like you have had a very rough time and have given this poor lad every chance you can.You sound very caring and sensative so good luck .... No matter what happens you have tried your best.
 
JuliaG - awful, awful story. Thank you for being brave enough to share it. My blood ran cold when I read it, because it is the case scenario that has been warned against so many times on this forum. You were in no way to blame for what happened, but I can understand why it haunts you. There is actually no point in even trying to opportion blame, but I do hope some people read it and inwardly digest, and possibly rethink their views. OP, it is an appalling decision to make, and I feel for you. Sometimes we have to just accept that we cannot do anymore. It doesn't make us a bad person. Whether such a horse is sent to yet another expert, or sold on, or given away, the risk and danger is still being shifted to someone else, even if they are happy to do it. I can quite understand why you may not want to put yourself at risk any longer. You will make the right decision for your horse, I have no doubt. Whatever you decide, be 100% sure it is your decision, and you are content with it. I know what I would do, but it would be my decision. Good Luck.
 
I know Julieg after 25 years about Poppy, but how did her husband feel, when he read the news as it coud have been one of his children. The OP will do what she needs to do, PTS or other. Me I think some of the human race should be pts as well.
 
for what its worth i think pts would be exactly the right thing to do in this situation ,this horse is clearly dangerous weather he's spanish or not ,that is no excuse

i have been unlucky enough to come across a horse like this and nothing could of helped him ,he was stunning and the owner sold him on :( she should have been brave enough to make the right choice and that was to pts god only knows how many people he has had in hospital now

he could kill someone ,its alright saying send him to this or that trainer but how many "horse trainers" out there are what they make out to be ,most i know are full of hot air and would make the problem worse and i belive this horse could never be trusted or "retrained"
a horse so badly mentaly effected in this way may never come right

and anyone thinking of taking on a horse like this can not be trusted as i think anyone wanting to have him must be clinicaly insane (not you op as you clearly were not aware he was this bad)


op don't let anyone make you feel guilty about pts this horse you have gone above and beyond trying to help him and have given him a nicer end than on a meat wagon for hours

good luck
 
Hi
When I posted on this it was the bases of your first post, Ive since read all the replies and read a couple of your other threads about him... Is he the same horse that bit you so you needed stitches ?
The trouble with getting a trainer to him is where to from there ? Do you ever trust him again? Do you sell him with the chance he could explode again and seriously hurt someone, or end up a welfare case again ?
I hope I am never in your position, (and I know I'm grouped in with the bunny huggers or tree huggers or whatever the term is ? ) but I wouldn't blame you if you cut your losses with this horse and had him humanely pts.
Whatever you decide, I wish you well.
Kx
 
To everyone mind at rest this horse will die with me weather i keep him for the rest of my life. How ever long that may be. or he will be pts. The problem with him 80percent hes a dream then a switch gos on and thats it all hell breaks loose. And you cant reason with him. He only 15 hands if i sold him on he could end up with a child i couldnt live with that. This is nothing against anyone they did at the time what they thought was right.This is my third sleepless night i think iv made my mind up. I love him now very much enough to do right by him.
 
please PTS before you or any one else is hurt do it quickly you tried to do a good thing but you have a family and friends who love you and you have a responsibility to protect yourself.
You owe your wise cob a lot now do your bit and end this now , it's not easy advice to give but I really believe you have been so lucky to escape being hurt.
 
Did Emma or James (apologies for being so familiar but can't spell the name of their yard!) come back to you? and also what was Richard Maxwells opinion as, unlike anyone else on this posting, actually knows you and the horse.
 
Hey op. Sounds like you have done everything u can for the horse. I would pts if your vet finds nothIng now, as many others have said he could seriously injure you or sOmeone else. I commend you on being so strong and sticking to your guns on the fact he stays with u until his last breath, this is extremely honest. Some horses like u say are just not able tO be helped, it is a very few, but I believe you have done right by him and given him many a chance and tried many avenues, but at the end of the day a horse that is dangerous like this is no fun for anyone, horse included. To live a life of fear like this is not fair On him, for some reason he cannot get over this and his fight or flight instinct is too strong. Good lick and let us know the outcome. X
 
Having seen the rest of this thread I now realise a bit more about this horse and the problems, and would fully understand if the OP were to pts.

As for the groom, the vets should have done a risk assessment, that risk assessment should have recommended something like not to be handled without hat and gloves, and never with only one person present. Either the vets are liable due to not performing a risk assessment or the groom failed in her duty to follow guidance.

I hope that you will insist on the above measures for everytime anybody handles him now, including you, and especially that there be two people present.
 
Hi
Really sad but I think you have done everything you can. Huge difference between a problem horse and a dangerous horse.
Sadly, I have been in EXACTLY the same situation as you And had to make the right decision.
Please pm me If you need any moral support from someone who has been there.
The big question I guess is could anyone ever turn the horse around before it kills someone, or does he have something mentally wrong with him that could never be fixed ?
X
 
Iv been to the vets to see him they tried to xrays his neck as the vet think its the cause of his rearing. sadly hes panicked even under heavy sedation he hasnt hurt anyone though. he got so stressed he overrode sedation so the vet said there going to let him calm down and call me and im going to take him in he does trust me and hopefully he will be calmer. I do think if there is a problem it will be in his neck also the vet has said his sugar levels are very high does anyone know about this problem. I do not give him anything with sugar in it.
 
traceyann said:
Iv been to the vets to see him they tried to xrays his neck as the vet think its the cause of his rearing. sadly hes panicked even under heavy sedation he hasnt hurt anyone though. he got so stressed he overrode sedation so the vet said there going to let him calm down and call me and im going to take him in he does trust me and hopefully he will be calmer. I do think if there is a problem it will be in his neck also the vet has said his sugar levels are very high does anyone know about this problem. I do not give him anything with sugar in it.
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Hi traceyann.
I don't know anything about sugar levels I'm afraid but I just wanted to say well done for taking your boy to the vets for a complete check up before making a final decision. I hope that they find something that you can work with to resolve his episodes.
Good luck x
 
traceyann said:
Iv been to the vets to see him they tried to xrays his neck as the vet think its the cause of his rearing. sadly hes panicked even under heavy sedation he hasnt hurt anyone though. he got so stressed he overrode sedation so the vet said there going to let him calm down and call me and im going to take him in he does trust me and hopefully he will be calmer. I do think if there is a problem it will be in his neck also the vet has said his sugar levels are very high does anyone know about this problem. I do not give him anything with sugar in it.
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Interesting about the sugar - there has been a lot said in previous posts on your thread about how Iberian horses can't tolerate sugar. Put a note up with what you feed him - you would be suprised at just how much sugar is in most standard feeds. As for overiding the sedation - that is pretty common with a stressed horse. I saw mine, being operated on for surgical colic and he fought the sedation for the entire (6 hour) operation.
 
I really do feel for you OP as it's seems so sad as, from what you said, underneath this there is a lovely horse who you say is great to ride etc and I think that makes things harder as, if the horse was dangerous when you're on board then I think that's a whole different matter. This poor little horse does sound like he's just very scared and confused and there must be a reason why, whether it be triggered by physical pain or some dee-rooted mental issue (assuming there is no brain tumour - doesn't sound so if when ridden he is so good).

I may be very sad, and I have never actually done it myself (have wondered about it though as I have a quirky horse who will have moments where he just flips outs), but I would be so tempted to get a recommended animal communicator out - if they are as good as they make out to be then i'd love to hear what they say HE is saying!

I wish you all the best - i can't imagine how hard it must be as on the one hand you feel so sorry for him as he sounds scared and confused yet on the other you think how much more can you do? For some reason he just doesn't seem 100% comfortable with humans.
 
OP You have my complete and total respect, if I was with you a huge hug. What ever happens in the end you couldnt be doing more for your boy. Well done!. Wouldnt it be wonderful if the vets could find a reason which could be controlled. For me though poppy was just a bloody nutcase, this has brought back a lot of bad memories and I have been wandering around quite teary thinking about the parents of the child who was killed by poppy. I have to admit whilst in hospital I could only feel relief that I was never going to have to deal with the mare again. I dont want to see any animal being put to sleep for no real reason but there are horses out there (not that many fortunatley) that you really cant do anything for and my thoughts really are with anyone who has to make the decision to put to sleep because an animal is dangerous. Please Please learn from my mistakes though....... and dont spend 25 yrs regretting something that you should have done but didnt.
 
Juliag, I think it's very brave of you to disclose your tragic story. However, you didn't do anything wrong. You were injured and in hospital when the horse was sold. The dealer acted wrongly IF he sold her on without disclosing the problems. He might not have, the family who bought her might have thought they could cope.

Had you not been in hospital, things might have been different. None of it was your fault. A terrible, tragic accident.
 
Hi Traceyann,

I don't want to give you any sort of false hope or anything, but the high blood sugar comment went off like a light bulb for me.

I have a horse with sever sugar intolerance and she becomes aggressive and totally unmanageable if her blood sugar level rises. It's like she has a switch in her head which suddenly and unexpectedly turns her into an animal that wants to kill you. Teeth feet the lot.
It's 6 yrs now since I discovered what set her off and now that I know what it is I've never had a problem since.
In fact she is a trainable, bidable trustworthy horse who I can ride tackless she's that good.

Maybe your horse has a similar problem.
 
FionaM12 said:
Juliag, I think it's very brave of you to disclose your tragic story. However, you didn't do anything wrong. You were injured and in hospital when the horse was sold. The dealer acted wrongly IF he sold her on without disclosing the problems. He might not have, the family who bought her might have thought they could cope.

Had you not been in hospital, things might have been different. None of it was your fault. A terrible, tragic accident.
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I argee

You had a close relationship with the dealers, and in my eyes they did the wrong thing. Your husband sold the horse for meat money, not as a riding horse, I'm sure he thought it was going in the food chain.
 
thanks Fiona, thats really nice of you to say that. I was actually quite interested to read the post about the animal communicator. I am the first to be sceptical about this sort of thing........... however, one of my best friends and someone I respect a lot called a reiki healer out to her horse after being told he should be put down through lameness. I cant remember what exactly was causing the lameness but my friend had this lady out purely for the healing element. It staggered my friend to find that the horse was apparently talking to the lady in question and telling her pretty much his life story! Well all I can say is my friend was transformed and is now learning Reiki herself although she says she has no ability to communicate with her horses but they all benefit from her performing reiki. I have watched this lady communicate with several horses now and it is facinating. Not only do they appear to love it, totally relaxing under her hands and nudging her for more when she stops, (she does not actually touch them at any point) but they all seem to 'talk' to her. One example is,
12hh welsh mare bought from the welsh sales by my friend for her daughters to pony club. Hated jumping and refused to go over the smallest cross pole. my friend would never force a pony to do anything and was facing the decison to sell the little mare after another disastrous pony club rally. Reiki lady turned up and pony told Reiki lady she hated what the girls were trying to make her do. Reiki lady explained to pony that jumping small jumps was part of her job and that in return she had a good home, food and shelter and was safe. The pony then apparently asked her how high it was expected to jump, this question was relayed to my friend who said 2' would be great. The pony then supposedly asked how big 2' was and was led into the school where a 2' jump was put up for the pony to see. (yes I know you all think I am completly bonkers now!! but bear with me!!!). My friend was then made to promise the pony it would never be asked to jump higher than this. From that day on as long as the jumps were no higher than 2 foot the pony will jump happily and has never refused another jump since!

Sorry didnt mean to hijack this thread, but I would have def had a Reiki person out to speak to poppy if I had known about them in those days!
 
Another thing I agree with, had a AC out to a tb I had, was spot on with ALL his history and issues.

Seem happen with a few other people's horses too, such as a unexplained fears, lameness, back issues and stressy horses too
 
juliag said:
ok so everyone thinks I am a total nutcase now! The sugar thing is very interesting though isnt it!
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I don't think you're a total nutcase, I've had experience of very accurate AC.
I've also had experience of a horse with a very extreme reaction to sugar (and cereals) in her diet. She truly couldn't tolerate any refined sugar, although she was ok with grass, which might seem odd to some people. She was like a drug addict, if her feed was late, her behaviour changed apparently without warning, although those of us who knew her well could spot the subtle changes. She could certainly be explosive.
 
First of all OP I have a huge amount of respect for you. What you are going through cannot be easy & I am sure many would have just passed him on. I hope the vets find an answer for you and your boy.

Juliag - What an awful time it must have been for you. You cannot blame yourself but thank you for sharing your story it can't have been easy for you. I am sure no one thinks you are a nut case! The story about the welshie touched me - I had an animal communicator out to me - he was coming to the yard, I didn't believe it would work but he got my mare spot on! When asked why she was naughty he said she told him she rears because she finds it funny and is just being a cow! But my friends arab - he walked across the yard & said is he lame, my friend said no - he said well your horse is telling me he is in pain coming from his shoulder, 2 weeks later he was lame, then retired due to his arthritic shoulder!

juliag said:
ok so everyone thinks I am a total nutcase now! The sugar thing is very interesting though isnt it!
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Well he had his xray he was very good with his mummy there even i was surprised. It came back clear. Now we have the sugar levels this what he fed huge haynet everynight handfull safe and sound brewersyeast and calmer. Never fed apple or carrots as i know it blows his brains he is on good grazing though
 
Perhaps the grazing is too rich and his aggressive outbursts could well coincide with fluctuations in the sugar levels in the grass. Perhaps soaking his hay and increasing the amount and reducing the time he is grazing may reduce the overall sugar levels to where he copes better.
 
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