CDJ Eliminated??

If your response is to me MP, I haven't suggested that there's any necessity to change the rules.

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ycbm said:
I think given the number eliminated, we'll probably see some changes.
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Oh I see, from this did you mean changes in what competitors would choose?

I still think that a one-off out of the hundreds of tests she has ridden is possibly not going to lead to a big change for CDJ and I don't know what the other competitor whose horse bit its tongue could do to avoid that happening again tbh.
 
My big lump of an irish horse (well, he's 60% TB i suppose) has a coat which marks so easily during coat changing time that I am actually better off wearing roller ball spurs (metal only, the plastic ones get him too) than just plain boots, as the boots rub him worse. He is an obedient horse who has evented to a high level and rides nicely, its not a schooling issue, its just how he is. If I use the roller balls I don't get any rubs. So I'm not sure that banning spurs fixes this issue at all.

Allowing belly bands? Maybe. He doesn't rub with a belly band on but it isn't allowed for dressage comps. I'd imagine it would potentially dull the very precise aids at GP though, so maybe that wouldn't work.
 
conniegirl said:
Ive seen blood from boot rubs plenty of times. The mark from the spur is likely the same as a mark from a boot, a function of friction on a big moving warmblood

I choose to use spurs to make things easier for my horse. Spanish riding school, top western riders etc all use spurs to make things easier for the horse to understand, not to cause pain or to reenforce an aid but to make it more precise and thus easier for the horse to understand exactly what you want. It prevents frustration from the horse, makes schooling easier on them as it is easier for them to understand and give me exactly what i want and thus more likely to get the praise they seek.

I suspect i am talking to a closed mind, you do not seem to want to understand the proper purpose of spurs and are happy in your ignorant bubble of spurs being solely for inflicting pain
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i do not suppose it would occur to you that you have a closed mind, or that you are in an ignorant bubble, its you who have bought up pain?
 
tristar said:
i do not suppose it would occur to you that you have a closed mind, or that you are in an ignorant bubble, its you who have bought up pain?
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So I'm ignorant because I know the actual purpose of spurs?
It was you who said:
tristar said:
causing more forceful leg aids
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It is you who will not see that that is not how spurs are supposed to be used or indeed are used at that level. If you have seen spurs used to create more forceful leg aids then they were being used incorrectly and by someone who did not understand thier purpose

I've yet to see a rational argument from you as to why using spurs to create a more refined signal for a horse should be banned? thats what you wanted wasn't it when you said all spurs should be banned and illegal?

going on your logic, anything that could potentially be misused to create a more forceful aid should be banned, so crops, bits, bridles, martingales, headcollars, halters would all have to go
 
I had to ditch my ariats on one horse the spur rest which is rubber marked her I shaved it off the edge would still mark her .
Luckily she was very forward it’s must be a nightmare on a less forward horse .
The whole team GB approach to this was spot on .
Very very disappointing of course .
 
Hi, thank you for the support MP and Conniegirl. I will clarify what I said, I do ride in spurs, plastic roller ball ones at home, and metal ball ones in competition, but I do also ride at home without them, but I like trying different things, I also sometimes ride in a headcollar and sometimes bareback, because I find that sort of thing fun (on a comfortable, sane horse!).

I know because I have tried, that I can ride my GP horses through GP movements without spurs, and I know I am certainly not alone in being able to that, lots of GP riders can do the same. I also know that to get through the entire GP test with the best chance of a mistake free test I would want my spurs on, I want that for refined communication, not for more forwardness or responsiveness. Isolating and playing with GP movements at home is very different from the entire test in a competition environment.

When you have trained a horse to GP you realise just how many things your amazing horse has learnt and you have several aids for several different things are very close together, so the spurs help with precision and refinement.
 
daffy44 said:
When you have trained a horse to GP you realise just how many things your amazing horse has learnt and you have several aids for several different things are very close together, so the spurs help with precision and refinement.
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Well said! the furthest I ever got was medium many years ago but even at that level my amazing pony knew so many things.
I now play round at novice and very very occassionaly Elem but primarily do showing so I don't need lots and lots of buttons and I have to say I miss having them.
Hmm wonder if my 18yr old welsh cob is up for learning some new buttons!
 
On a sort of related note to the whole “yes you *can* ride a GP test without spurs but they give you more refinement” thing, would anyone mind letting me know if the same applies to riding at that level in a snaffle instead of a double bridle? I see quite a lot of photos of the top riders training at home in a snaffle and drop noseband rather than the full double bridle so have often wondered.

Apologies if that’s a really daft question - I’ve never ridden in a double bridle so don’t really understand how they work! This is such an interesting thread.
 
conniegirl said:
Ive seen blood from boot rubs plenty of times. The mark from the spur is likely the same as a mark from a boot, a function of friction on a big moving warmblood

I choose to use spurs to make things easier for my horse. Spanish riding school, top western riders etc all use spurs to make things easier for the horse to understand, not to cause pain or to reenforce an aid but to make it more precise and thus easier for the horse to understand exactly what you want. It prevents frustration from the horse, makes schooling easier on them as it is easier for them to understand and give me exactly what i want and thus more likely to get the praise they seek.

I suspect i am talking to a closed mind, you do not seem to want to understand the proper purpose of spurs and are happy in your ignorant bubble of spurs being solely for inflicting pain
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so far you have called sanctimonious, ignorant, holier than thou, misinformed, closed in mind having no understanding,and you have misquoted me regarding the forceful leg aids.

you sound an utterly horrible person and i will not respond to anymore of your posts
 
Lexi_ said:
On a sort of related note to the whole “yes you *can* ride a GP test without spurs but they give you more refinement” thing, would anyone mind letting me know if the same applies to riding at that level in a snaffle instead of a double bridle? I see quite a lot of photos of the top riders training at home in a snaffle and drop noseband rather than the full double bridle so have often wondered.

Apologies if that’s a really daft question - I’ve never ridden in a double bridle so don’t really understand how they work! This is such an interesting thread.
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yes the double is also used for refinement. I believe that in BD competitions you can ride in a snaffle at any level now (it changed a few years ago) but having the extra communication of the double makes life so much easier for you and the horse.
 
ester said:
F was perfecting his half passes at 24 ;):p we had a late rush on dressage prowess (with the best instruction I've ever had) so crack on :p
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got to get my knee sorted, cobbus' skin sorted and then find me a decent instructor who isn't either a) a billion miles away, or b) only available once in a blue moon! really really makes me want to go out and play though (would be far more fun than sat in an office working on spreadsheets)
 
Lexi_ said:
On a sort of related note to the whole “yes you *can* ride a GP test without spurs but they give you more refinement” thing, would anyone mind letting me know if the same applies to riding at that level in a snaffle instead of a double bridle? I see quite a lot of photos of the top riders training at home in a snaffle and drop noseband rather than the full double bridle so have often wondered.

Apologies if that’s a really daft question - I’ve never ridden in a double bridle so don’t really understand how they work! This is such an interesting thread.
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Hi Lexi, not a daft question at all, but it really depends on the horse. Of my two GP horses, one goes well in both the snaffle and the double, and I ride her at home in the snaffle and only use the double for competition. My other GP horse absolutely hates the double so he does everything both at home and competition in a snaffle. I have had other horses that never really settle to the snaffle, but love the double, so its really down to the indivdual horse.

eta: BD changed its rules a few years ago so National competitions can be ridden in either the snaffle or the double up to and including GP, its the riders choice. But under FEI rules, so International competitions, the double must be used from PSG to GP.
 
conniegirl said:
got to get my knee sorted, cobbus' skin sorted and then find me a decent instructor who isn't either a) a billion miles away, or b) only available once in a blue moon! really really makes me want to go out and play though (would be far more fun than sat in an office working on spreadsheets)
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I'm sat in an office listening to my robot in the room next door waiting for it to finish waiting until I can go pony shopping :p
 
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