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I think the only solution is vote with your money, I now no longer interested in anything promoted by riders or watch competitions, and I followed dressage before it was fashionable.
One of my most clear memories is watch the practice arena in front of Goodwood house in 1993, and some riders daughter watching, she looked about twelve, practising the moves on foot. There was no money or hype. I think it all changed when dressage to music became a thing, they had the Euros at Hickstead 2003, I was so excited and slept in the car in the horsebox area, and then it became a selling experience, and more about a show.
Yes, I've heard others comment that the Kur was the beginning of dressage as entertainment etc etc. Agree that voting with money/feet (as well as lobbying and spreading the word) is the only real option open to most of us. The Aachen CHIO thread on here makes me think I'm living in a different world from other HHOers.
 
In the second photo jovian is very tight in his throat lash, and almost As if

he is trying to see where he is going

Probably longing to give his sticky lips a good rub on his legs, how annoying for him
 
Its Helgstrand, what do you expect? As well as voting with your wallet, personally I think the penalties for abuse should be so much stronger, Helgstand is a case in point, systematic, widespread, long term hideous abuse, he deserved a lifetime ban. I think if bans were for significantly longer, and included being banned from training and dealing then we might see a difference.
 
Its Helgstrand, what do you expect? As well as voting with your wallet, personally I think the penalties for abuse should be so much stronger, Helgstand is a case in point, systematic, widespread, long term hideous abuse, he deserved a lifetime ban. I think if bans were for significantly longer, and included being banned from training and dealing then we might see a difference.
I would love to see the FEI take a zero tolerance approach but when the results of that type of training are so prevalent at the top level they'd soon have no one left. Even Ingrid K seems to have succumbed. Recent video clips show work that looks a lot less than classical :(
 
I would love to see the FEI take a zero tolerance approach but when the results of that type of training are so prevalent at the top level they'd soon have no one left. Even Ingrid K seems to have succumbed. Recent video clips show work that looks a lot less than classical :(
Well if there's no one left so be it 🤷
 
Jovian enjoying a marshmallow at Aachen
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This is horrific, it makes me want to cry for these poor horses, his eye says it all 😥
 
I'm not talking about riding in a less than perfect way, impossible to have zero tolerance for that, no one is perfect. But zero tolerance for clear abuse, Helgstrand, for example was exposed by Operation X to have abused multiple horses in his yards, and is fully deserving of a lifetime ban at the very least.
Yes he was, but if he hadn't been there'd have been little to separate him from many other GP riders in terms of the way his horses go. So, was he an outlier or (as suggested by his training of another rider also briefly suspended) is the kind of "whack them till they get it right/lift their legs up/etc" training actually endemic in top yards? These days it seems not a year goes by but some horrendous act of abuse is outed, upon which there's always a number of people on social media saying "there were always rumours" or "when I worked for x y did that", or "I've seen worse" ( :o ) and so on. And honestly I find a lot of the riding itself, on display in tests, pretty abusive. It's not as simple as people who get caught beating horses up are the abusers.

ETA Operation X only uncovered as far as I know day to day training which was clearly abusive - rather than Charlotte getting to the end of her abilities as a trainer of riders (perhaps) or Heath Ryan downright battering a horse. But Helgstrand employs how many riders who learn his system and take it out into the world when they leave? If those daily training sessions constituted abuse because of the use of spur, whip and auxiliary reins, abuse is probably going on in many other places on a similarly frequent basis. I'm reminded of the owner whose horse came back from the Bartels' yard with the lower jaw hugely damaged at the diastema presumably as a result of training.
 
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Well i don't know what anyone expects the others to be like when him jovian were world champs 2021

If that's the fei best it's time to bin the fei
 
Is there history with her new ride, Vayron? Seems super chilled in her vids of him on the ground (compared to your usual hothead dressage mess)
 
what sort of history do you want?

I did read he was supposed to be sold to the US before Ingrid got him

Ta! Not up with whether Bachmann's a goodie or a badie riding wise, but it's certainly not the first time the Germans have shuffled horses around under people's noses
 
Read somewhere that with the introduction of the new noseband tightness gauge and inspections bridles are already being produced with a gap/space in the padding over the top of the nose where the gauge will be inserted to check tightness.

At the moment these bridles are legal. I hope that the FEI get to grips quickly and bans these nosebands designed solely to keep the horrid tied down pressure on horses' noses despite the new test gauge.

The riders using these evasive nosebands also ought to receive sanction.
Tack rules have been updated, not permitted in any discipline

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It's a bit wild how people have been so quick to circumvent a rule and also how they thought this would be fine... My noseband isn't right steward see there's a big hole in it here 🤷🤦
This is why I've never really felt it's possible to regulate welfare into horse sport without a level of scrutiny most people would find unacceptable. There are always going to be people who think of welfare as an obstacle to their success.
 
Is it only padding that stops on the nasal bone thats banned? Or does that mean the fairfax style nosebands are also out as they just had the padding on the nasal bone didn't they, to relieve any pressure on the sides?
 
Is it only padding that stops on the nasal bone thats banned? Or does that mean the fairfax style nosebands are also out as they just had the padding on the nasal bone didn't they, to relieve any pressure on the sides?
This is why no nosebands is the way to go. Nicer for the horse, less tack to clean and fit, less for the remarkably supine stewards to do, no arguments about what's too tight, etc. Win win all round, except for heavy-handed riders.
 
Is that Andrew Gould leading the way there for British dressage?
 
This is why no nosebands is the way to go. Nicer for the horse, less tack to clean and fit, less for the remarkably supine stewards to do, no arguments about what's too tight, etc. Win win all round, except for heavy-handed riders.

To counter that argument, the horse I took to advanced level dressage preferred a noseband 🙈, she liked the bit stability it gave (fairfax style or grackle styles were her preference) hence my question.

I guess bitless and noseband'less is the only way 🙃🤪...

Though really if she'd maybe had the 'right' training from backing maybe she wouldn't have been quite as fussy in the contact, but we made great strides with the tack we had.
 
To counter that argument, the horse I took to advanced level dressage preferred a noseband 🙈, she liked the bit stability it gave (fairfax style or grackle styles were her preference) hence my question.

I guess bitless and noseband'less is the only way 🙃🤪...

Though really if she'd maybe had the 'right' training from backing maybe she wouldn't have been quite as fussy in the contact, but we made great strides with the tack we had.
I suppose I would have to ask how you know it was her preference? Did it reduce oral conflict behaviours?
 
I suppose I would have to ask how you know it was her preference? Did it reduce oral conflict behaviours?

Yes, we tried a lot of different bits and nose bands before we settled on an eggbutt myler and Fairfax style noseband. She was more settled in the contact, more confident to take the contact forward and easier to maintain softness. She was very contact shy when we got her and very sensitive, so once we got the combo she liked right it was a revelation!

But she’s not the norm really, the others I’ve backed and ridden away myself go in simple snaffle and cavasson nose bands.
 
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