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smolmaus said:
I don't think it's equine industry specific. There are similar plagues of subscription based online courses for all sorts of things these days.

Personally, I got roped in to the TRT thing when I first got Sadie and honestly, was panicking a bit. I didn't have access to my old instructor, the instructors I did have access to were not working the way I wanted to work. It wasn't very useful tbh but it did give me something to lean on a little bit while I got my footing and was a little half step towards something "different" that eventually lead to positive reinforcement stuff.

I have chatted about this kind of thing with my current instructor, and she made the valid point that Parelli has been around for many many years longer than internet based subscription services and is/was essentially the same thing. It just used to be books and DVDs instead of pre-recorded webinars.
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Similar to you I subscribed to TRT because I got a youngster and was determined not to fall back on old habits. Its interesting, but I find its broken down into such small parts its difficult to follow! I have an instructor that helps me with groundwork (Turns out I overcompensate and am now too soft to avoid being too harsh 🤦‍♀️) and I think I'd changed my behaviours over the years way more than I gave myself credit for - being away from livery yards has definitely improved me for the better!
 
KikiDee said:
All these 'online courses' honestly baffle me a bit - are people just cashing in on a generation of over-thinkers (from a positive place, as I believe people do care about their horses wellbeing physically and mentally more these days than perhaps more old-school attitudes), or have we ended up somehow with a pandemic of horse-owners who lack basic horsemanship? and why? Is it people "buying in" to horse ownership more these days rather than the way many of us grew up earning our crust and learning from much more experiences horsemen/women? is that driven by the rising cost of buying and keeping horses, meaning people aren't coming in 'from the ground up' anymore?

i don't overthink any interaction I have with my horses. If they are polite, I am neutral. If they are bolshy or over-step the mark then my body language and energy instinctively hardens. If they are worried, then my energy softens to reassure them. My horses get rewarded for anything I feel they have inconvenienced themselves to do for me, and in return they are more willing to try next time - why make life hard for yourself forcing a horse to do something when you can have an enthusiastic partner on-board? I have never raised my hand to them, but they understand a growl means get-back-in-line with no fear attached, just a quiet, mutual respect. Of course I do not consider myself the panacea of horse training, in fact the opposite, I feel like these are just basic behaviours all horse owners (should) have, without having to watch a 75-part paid YouTube course.
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agree 100% with the over thinking.

I am horrified at people buying horses and they have actually no idea about what is normal horse behavior and think the horse is a problem, when they are in fact the problem due to their lack of knowledge. So sad for the horse.
 
silv said:
agree 100% with the over thinking.

I am horrified at people buying horses and they have actually no idea about what is normal horse behavior and think the horse is a problem, when they are in fact the problem due to their lack of knowledge. So sad for the horse.
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Aye but these people won't even look to an online course or anything else as they think they know it all already!!!
 
That's where it's such a shame now that so many riding schools that also had a livery section have gone for good. The riding schools I went to actively promoted clients taking the BHS Stage 1 and 2 training and exams (also income for the riding school as when it was too awful to ride in the winter they did stable management lessons). Clients like me then progressed to be horse owners at that yard along with the basic horse care knowledge provided by the stage 1 and 2 courses (even if the exams weren't taken).

It's also a shame that there is so much more focus on kids going straight to discipline specific memberships and avoiding the Pony Club and its own Test pathway.

Neither the BHS nor the Pony Club are perfect but they are certainly far better than the complete lack of knowledge of many horse owners these days. (Not saying there weren't ignorant owners in the past but back then there were still sufficient 'horsemen' still around to impart their knowledge - although not all of that was very horse kind!)
 
FieldOrnaments said:
I agree completely - every second of time you're with them you are training them whether it's conscious or not and they learn from every experience they have with us
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I think it was Ben Hart that once said to me that every person that interacts with an animal is a trainer, whether they want to be or not. I completely agree with this statement. You don't even have to have something on the end of the rope to be training.
 
reynold said:
That's where it's such a shame now that so many riding schools that also had a livery section have gone for good. The riding schools I went to actively promoted clients taking the BHS Stage 1 and 2 training and exams (also income for the riding school as when it was too awful to ride in the winter they did stable management lessons). Clients like me then progressed to be horse owners at that yard along with the basic horse care knowledge provided by the stage 1 and 2 courses (even if the exams weren't taken).

It's also a shame that there is so much more focus on kids going straight to discipline specific memberships and avoiding the Pony Club and its own Test pathway.

Neither the BHS nor the Pony Club are perfect but they are certainly far better than the complete lack of knowledge of many horse owners these days. (Not saying there weren't ignorant owners in the past but back then there were still sufficient 'horsemen' still around to impart their knowledge - although not all of that was very horse kind!)
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That was similar to my upbringing, I started helping at the riding school after my ride at age 11. That wouldn’t be allowed now because of health and safety but it gave me a good foundation of basic horse handling and everything involved like mucking out etc . I helped there for 10 years having graduated to taking out rides myself and teaching people the basics so when I bought my own horse at 21 I knew quite a bit more than many new horse owners now although it was still a steep learning curve having my own horse to be responsible for and until I gave up at 72 I was still learning more … but people these days seem to think they know every thing
 
splashgirl45 said:
That was similar to my upbringing, I started helping at the riding school after my ride at age 11. That wouldn’t be allowed now because of health and safety but it gave me a good foundation of basic horse handling and everything involved like mucking out etc . I helped there for 10 years having graduated to taking out rides myself and teaching people the basics so when I bought my own horse at 21 I knew quite a bit more than many new horse owners now although it was still a steep learning curve having my own horse to be responsible for and until I gave up at 72 I was still learning more … but people these days seem to think they know every thing
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And that is part of the problem. Kids learned so much from helping, not just about horse management either. It was especially helpful for those from poorer backgrounds, as there was no cost to the parents and maybe some pocket money or free lessons for the kids.

Where do they get their learning from now? Dubious sources on the internet. How do they work out what is worth is knowing and what they should avoid?
 
My livery yard is also a riding school. We still have kiddy helpers, from age 12+. Some of them eventually get their own, most of them don't. I was such a helper from 12 to 21, on and off, until I bought my own at 21. I join group lessons when I want to, I have lessons on riding school horses when mine are out of action. It works really well. I don't think I'd cope at a "normal" livery yard.
 
The world is changing, and I think its even more difficult now for children with non horsey parents to learn more about horsemanship. I would never be critical of anyone doing online courses to try and educate themselves, of course there are dreadful people doing online courses, as there are dreadful people teaching in real life too, and I appreciate its probably slower and more difficult to assess how good someone is online rather than in real life, but anyone trying to learn more should encouraged.

I teach plenty of people who are absolutely lovely, very kind and well meaning, but not all of them have enough knowledge to accompany their goodwill, and that can inadvertently cause problems. In my opinion one of the greatest things about horses is that we never stop learning, there is always room for everyone to understand and learn more, whatever your level of experience, so any attempt at that is a positive thing.
 
When you see how few horses have good musculature/posture and so few riders have been taught true, correct equitation (good riders getting there more by luck it seems), finding online courses that do offer good, horse centred classical instruction, from behavioural stuff up to upper level ridden (was having a lovely long chat with a customer/friend yesterday about the incredibly amount and quality of content on the Ritter Dressage courses, for example) is invaluable. There are many geographical areas where there's no-one hands on I could recommend. And then very few trainers offer groundwork and, if they don't, will always be tempted recommend just riding through a problem as they'll lose income if not.

Some of this isn't the trainers' fault at all, they feel under pressure to show a change in the horse in one lesson, to follow what the rider wants to do, rather than the slow methodical work that is training a horse. We all feel that sort of pressure.

The internet has also massively enabled this attitude of "learning something new is easy", teenage influencers in their matchy matchy showing horrendous equitation is now what people want to follow...so again, teaching the correct way is hard, as it takes so much more time and commitment. The internet also offers community with many courses, the ability to see other peoples videos, to learn from each other and not just the instructor. On the Ritter course my friend has also been matched into a small "pod" of peeople, one of whom is within easy driving distance. Brilliant.
 
Beausmate said:
And that is part of the problem. Kids learned so much from helping, not just about horse management either. It was especially helpful for those from poorer backgrounds, as there was no cost to the parents and maybe some pocket money or free lessons for the kids.

Where do they get their learning from now? Dubious sources on the internet. How do they work out what is worth is knowing and what they should avoid?
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I advertised recently for some help in the mornings. Changing rugs and turning horses out etc. I got a response from the parent of a 14 year old girl who told me that their daughter had had a lot of experience from watching ‘you tube’ videos on how to handle horses…
One or two here on my yard are big, opinionated warm bloods that give me the frights from time to time, so when I turned them down I got a very rude and abusive reaction!
 
Thank heavens I grew up long before internet - and learned from a great old school instructor who ran her (small) riding school combined with a few children's livery ponies, which we all rode and cared for. She was a hard taskmaster but taught us properly from how to muck out leaving the stable immaculate, clean piles of muddy tack till it shone, and groom those ponies till they shone too 🤣 And none of us actually got to ride until we got the care for side right. How lucky we were to learn like that☺️
 
Sad to see Becky Moody training this horse, clearly in draw reins of some sort, and working so overbent and on the forehand with very poor balance.

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Sad to see Becky Moody training this horse, clearly in draw reins of some sort, and working so overbent and on the forehand with very poor balance.

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Sadly I am not actually surprised - I've never understood the hype about her, and even less so after listening to the podcast where she openly stated she uses draw reins to get young, weak horses to stay straight when learning changes.
 
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Sadly I am not actually surprised - I've never understood the hype about her, and even less so after listening to the podcast where she openly stated she uses draw reins to get young, weak horses to stay straight when learning changes.
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These days, riding a horse that doesn't look like it's in the midst of a nervous breakdown in international competition is the height of sympathetic equitation. Apparently.
 
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Becky Moody était une déception de plus pour nous au Jumping Amsterdam. Son style rappelait clairement celui de Fry et Werth. Elle a d’ailleurs terminé troisième, derrière ces deux championnes...
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Note the repeated simultaneous yank on the inside rein and pony club kick in the early part. Finesse not a thing when the horse is struggling to distinguish between go and stop (and possibly no longer cares)
 
I can only say that its how the horse feels, is he giving himself up to me, with a happy feeling , and which emotion do I feel after the session, I am aiming to feel elation and pick up from the horse the same feeling so we finish on a high

Scores don't matter its how it really feels when sitting on the horse

And I know one thing with certainty sitting on a lot of those horses is not where I would find what I am looking for

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Becky Moody was another disappointment for us at Jumping Amsterdam.

Her riding style clearly echoed that of Charlotte Fry and Isabell Werth. She finished third, behind these two pull-kick champions.

In addition to her podium placing, Becky also received the Harmony and Equity Award, a €10,000 prize voted for by the public and awarded to the most harmonious horse–rider combination.

After Amsterdam, she confirmed her goal of reaching the final in Fort Worth, Texas, although she does not intend to compete in further qualifying events in order to preserve her horse’s condition ahead of the World Championships in Aachen this summer.

It appears that the horse genuinely needs rest. We hope that Becky Moody will use this short break to reflect on the path she wishes to follow:
– recentering herself and learning to manage her stress without taking it out on her horse that seems to have become desensitised to her leg aids, as her riding increasingly resembles the pull-kick riding.
– or continuing along the path shown in Amsterdam and joining the brutal pull-kick riders who do not respect their horses.

Perhaps she was simply having a bad day, but the horse was clearly dulled to the aids. And when you are surrounded by riders who have lost all restraint, it is easy to give in to pressure and imitate them — especially when no one reprimands the misuse of bits, legs and spurs.

With Fry and Dujardin in her team, how can Becky continue to be part of what these riders themselves would call “softies”? This system does not allow good examples to remain intact. It transforms them and consumes them. “Good examples” are regularly presented by the FEI to maintain the illusion that top-level dressage is an ethical sport, but the system ultimately forces them to give in.

It is amongst others, for this reason, we do not show the so-called “good examples” promoted by the Fédération Équestre Internationale. They serve to preserve the Social License to Operate, after which they disappear or end up just like the others.

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splashgirl45 said:
Funny how it seems that everyone is criticising the British riders yet the other nationalities seem to be ignored . I see so many of them much more forceful especially the men so why no mention of them in the foreign press
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My german friend forwards me similar bits in german language outlets focusing on German riders. Isabelle Werth also mentioned by name above. I don't disagree that there are many of them slipping under the radar tho.

Becky Moody probably suffering from the same sad irony as CDJ with this in particular. The "you were supposed to be better than this" thing.
Janique said:
Becky also received the Harmony and Equity Award, a €10,000 prize voted for by the public and awarded to the most harmonious horse–rider combination.
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splashgirl45 said:
IW over the years has hardly had any criticism over the years and has always ,IMO, been overmarked. At a German competition recently she got the harmony award
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We be reading different things 😂

None of them are getting the criticism from official bodies that they should be, I will agree with that.
 
Carl Hedin is a lovely rider to watch. All his horses live out, are typically barefoot and competes at top level dressage and SJ. He seems to genuinely put them first. I hope I'm right 🙏. He's also living the dream the lucky beggar and just goes round buying lovely horses!
 
AppyLover1996 said:
The more I see of top riders acting like they have recently, the less and less it makes me want to carry on riding......

Honestly wondering if there is anyone we can actually trust or look up to in the horse world nowadays :(
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Carry on and show people that there are lots of riders who genuinely love their horses and treat them with respect and kindness, at the moment that's really important. We're "just" hackers but one day when all the CDJ stuff was kicking off to a level that even the general public was aware we were out for a ride and my lad was spooked by something going on - think frozen to the spot, snorting and shaking, can't go forward, too scared to take his eyes off things and turn around. So we stood on a loose rein with lots of reassurance until he'd calmed down, got his head around things and could go past in a safe way. No big deal, it's how we do things, yet afterwards a lady who'd been watching from her garden came out for a chat because "it's nice to see it isn't all about beating the horse up". So keep riding compassionately and kindly, show people the majority are good not bad.
 
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