bonny
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I don’t see the connection ?
CDJ withdrawn from paris
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eahotson
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Really?
tristars
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sbloom
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Yep, time limit for the jockey alone to ride the horse into the stalls, and obviously no (excessive I guess, if we have to) use of the whip to make sure that horses are reasonably willing. Why on earth are we physically manhandling any horses do to anything for our financial pleasure?
Boots*McGruber
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I don’t know. Mine is very grumpy when not ridden even if he has plenty of turnout with friends. He’s naturally curious and I believe he likes to learn new things, so enjoys his work & he really does have a fantastic work ethic. He is really the only horse I’ve ridden who has felt like this though and I suppose he could learn things on the ground if I was more competent in that respect.
Boots*McGruber
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On a different point, it’s not uncommon for competitors going SJ or XC to raise their hands and retire if it’s not going well. Perhaps we need to normalise this in dressage instead of forcing an unhappy horse? Sometimes it just isn’t your day and it’s better to retire with grace and save them for another occasion.
ramsaybailey
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Obviously make a rule that would mean the horse would not be allowed to compete if it shows that much reluctance
Your question suggests you approve of horses being forced in?
PurpleSpots
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Many have the mentality that something HAS to be achieved, the horse doesn't get a say, and the people don't seem to care how they get to the outcome they want.
The horse is there to provide a service for the humans, and if they don't then they are in the wrong and must be made to deliver that service, because that is their purpose.
It's all just so horrible
.ramsaybailey
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So very very sadMany have the mentality that something HAS to be achieved, the horse doesn't get a say, and the people don't seem to care how they get to the outcome they want.
The horse is there to provide a service for the humans, and if they don't then they are in the wrong and must be made to deliver that service, because that is their purpose.
It's all just so horrible
Burnttoast
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? I was referring to the likelihood of the FEI demanding proof that spur damage looked a certain way on thermal scanning, and the likelihood of being allowed to do a study that recreated such damage on actual horses to find out what it looked like in that scenario. They spend a lot of time deflecting by saying there's no proof things hurt horses (blue tongues being the most obvious example) and that more research must be done.theres literally nothing that would be an issue with an ethics board
Burnttoast
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That seems to relate to lesions, rather than ischemia, although it wouldn't be surprising if the two go together. There was a long thread on David Marlin's page too where he was saying we needed research to determine if a blue tongue is painful. The director of elite sport at the Danish federation said there isn't sufficient evidence to show whether discoloration means discomfort and then there was some nonsense about peripheral cyanosis in human athletes.It is one of the ongoing FEI research priorities. As you can see it should be in ‘Phase 3’ at the moment.
EW - Ongoing Research
inside.fei.org
Beausmate
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If they refuse too strongly, they are usually withdrawn and if they continue to refuse they can be banned from racing where they are started from stalls. We had one in the yard I worked at and she ended up being suspended pending a successful stalls test. She passed and went back racing. Her problem came down to being rushed before she had stalls figured out. There is too much of that rushing in training in general. With too much pressure, too little release and the horse doesn't get a chance to find the right answer.
Short cuts don't work long term in training.
Beausmate
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That's one of the things that gets me cross! Does it matter if it's painful or not? Tongues should not be blue in a healthy horse! There is compression of the blood vessels for long enough to stop blood flow and starve tissues of oxygen. What are these people on where they think this is an ok thing to do to an animal for 'sport' until research is done to see if it's painful or not?
Ok, dressage fans - Tongues are not supposed to be blue in a healthy horse. It doesn't matter what level people who agree with this are competing at, it doesn't matter whether it hurts or not, it doesn't matter if it's 'a moment in time'.... They're NOT SUPPOSED TO BE BLUE. EVER!
Right, I'm off to the kitchen for a beer. Back in ten.
SEL
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I thought this! Blue is wrong. I'm yet to see a blue tongue at amateur levels / riding club / fun rides and I'm pretty sure the organisers at any event would be horrified
Beausmate
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Yup. I'm sure that anyone officiating at an event for the clueless, amateur, never-competed-at-high-level bods out there would have something pretty negative to say about certain parts of a horse not being a normal colour for that part of a horse.
It's OK to cause harm to your horse if you are at a sufficient level to win great accolades. It's bad riding for lower levels and elite training for upper levels. Is that how it works?