Clwyd Davies hounded by 'Animal Extremists?'

Get a grip. His daughter died, yes that's awful, but no, it is no excuse to be neglecting animals years later.
 
Smile! said:
Peace people .... and compassion. Don't forget we are human and what that should mean.
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I don't believe many people are without compassion here.

I have had a lot of contact with and supported people in similar situations to Mr Davies.

It's far from being "without compassion" to want to prevent someone hoarding animals they can't afford or care for. Nor does being elderly, homeless, personal tragedy or having mental ill health put them outside the law where cruelty or anything else is involved.

I have never said anything unpleasant or personal about Mr Davies, I don't know him so do not feel qualified to have an opinion about him. However it is clear he has a history of animal cruelty, he was found (and pleaded) guilty of such and I was relieved he's been banned from keeping animals.

I hope he's safe and well somewhere. I think the best outcome from this media circus would be for him to be found just long enough to reassure he's fine and to ask everyone to leave him alone now, which to me is what his disappearing act is asking for.
 
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Smile! said:
Old people who have had their pets for many years but who suddenly are unable to cope any more due to ill health and financial problems have their much loved animals taken away. They are also then destroyed because they are too old to rehome, even if in excellent health. Of course they are old, they have been with the elderly person all their lives. Then to add to the ridiculousness the poor elderly person is prosecuted with no compassion.
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Sorry but this is quite different and gives the impression of a little old lady/man who has had their beloved pet - possibly their only companion - taken away from them. This is an entirely different situation as it involves a large number of horses. Is it true that entires were running with fillies and mares? If so, this is completely irresponsible.
 
Nancykitt said:
Sorry but this is quite different and gives the impression of a little old lady/man who has had their beloved pet - possibly their only companion - taken away from them. This is an entirely different situation as it involves a large number of horses. Is it true that entires were running with fillies and mares? If so, this is completely irresponsible.
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Yes they were, right up to the end. Even when the RSPCA gave many months for Mr Davies and his supporters to sort this out, no colts or stallions were gelded. :(
 
Oh right so his " friends" didn't

A) make him have a bath with a little candle underneath on the telly
B) didn't go to C4 to do the documentary on him about how cruel the RSPCA were treating him
C) aren't Resplattered across the media redigging up the story ready for the next instalment
D) didn't ask for donations from people suckered in
E) didn't take his horses to sell and yet charge him knowing he was living off a pension

Oh well, my bad
 
Smile! - you're saying that people believe he committed cruelty because of the 'truth' page??? I saw it first hand!!!! I've seen some of the animals removed and it makes me physically sick. The state they were in brought tears to my eyes. Just you trying to defend him leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 
^ "This is the problem, so many people tend to believe as "the truth" what they read on the internet, which gives you a powerful throne to sit upon doesn't it?"

You made reference to it here.
I very much doubt you've seen these horses first hand as if you had and possessed any morals you wouldn't defend him. I think you're going off pro-Clwyd propaganda here. Gives you a powerful throne to sit on doesn't it?
 
Elsiecat said:
Let me put this back at you another way - if Clwyd Davies was called Jonny, a 20-something gypsy, and had done the same as Clwyd - you'd be calling for him to be strung up. The fact Clwyd is old and on a pension should be no wager in this.
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Elsiecat said:
Get a grip. His daughter died, yes that's awful, but no, it is no excuse to be neglecting animals years later.
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Absolutely - no excuse at all. If one feels that they can't look after their animals for whatever reason, they should seek help, not move on and repeat the same neglect. After Mostyn (sp), and all those years of breeding before, you'd think he would have learnt what it takes to look after a herd; how much effort and money it costs. Obviously not!

So many horse/animal owners have severe depression (myself included), have physical difficulties, or have lost a loved one - yet the majority of us carry on caring for our animals - again, no excuse!
 
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Jeepers Smile you are seeing life through rose tinted glasses aren't you! Guys don't feed the troll she is obviously one of those that think the sun shines out of CD backside......
 
Elsiecat said:
^ "This is the problem, so many people tend to believe as "the truth" what they read on the internet, which gives you a powerful throne to sit upon doesn't it?"

You made reference to it here.
I very much doubt you've seen these horses first hand as if you had and possessed any morals you wouldn't defend him. I think you're going off pro-Clwyd propaganda here. Gives you a powerful throne to sit on doesn't it?
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What are you talking about? At no point have I ever defended this person but merely pointed out that he may have not been in a mental state to cope. I don't know that (as I said) but then I suspect neither do you. Thank you for attacking me because I happen not to have the same blinkered view as you about the whole situation.
 
And doriangrey - I don't have a 'blinkered view'. I'm a very compassionate person. I'm just sick of the lies and excuses surrounding this case. Plus the money being span behind the scenes by his 'friends'.
I hope clwyd is safe and I am glad his horses have been removed. I also hope he never owns any more animals.
 
Smile! said:
Perhaps if your rent was doubled along with all those other problems it may take you to breaking point or at least make it very difficult to look after those animals. Add in other things, such as passporting being introduced making it difficult to re-home any animals quickly and easily, and perhaps you can see how things could spiral out of control? Although I get the feeling that nothing would be considered by most posting here along the lines of understanding.
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Right, now I'm confused. Was he squatting (as many seem to think) or was he paying rent that was suddenly doubled? And passporting has been around for a long time now.
Sorry, but the bit that did it for me was that he allowed stallions/colts to run with mares and fillies, presumably some being related to each other? Why the hell wasn't this the first thing that his 'friends' focused on? Totally and utterly irresponsible. Look at all the 'unwanted' animals around us these days and yet clueless people carry on breeding indiscriminately. Sorry, but this sort of thing is one of my hobby horses.

I suspect there are people on here who have experienced things that have taken them to 'breaking point' but this is most definitely not an excuse for the neglect or poor treatment of animals in that person's care.
 
Elsiecat said:
Doriangrey - you must have posted whilst I was typing. My post was aimed at the poster above you.
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Sorry Elsiecat, just seen that (blushes). Well I'm bowing out now because it's a very emotive topic and tempers are running a bit high. FWIW, none of this should have turned out the way it did. I have my own animals and can't abide cruelty or neglect, I wish the authorities involved had been more decisive and seized the animals. If Clwyd is unwell then I hope he too gets the help he needs and measures are put in place to ensure that the situation won't happen again.
 
Smile! said:
40 odd horses were removed from his herd I believe. All remaining were in good health at the time of sentencing as reported by Redwings. What would've been nice and should've happened would have been for the RSPCA to spend some of those alleged 250 hours helping, rather than making demands they knew very well an elderly man receiving just his pension would not be able to adhere to. It is a shame the RSPCA decided to change their mission because it means in order to bring a prosecution they now leave animals in distressing situations to strengthen their case, and they do tend to pick on those they know will not be able to comply with their demands.
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I find some of these figures confusing tbh, we were told that he had 52 horses and that 42 were 'rehomed', several were removed by the RSPCA as they were presumably considered too ill to remain...which should only leave him with about 4??

Unfortunately I imagine that the judge decided to have the horses removed based on the evidence presented at the case 6 months prior to the sentencing when I imagine the health of the horses would have been considerably worse.

From my understanding the RSPCA are unable to remove horses not deemed to be at immediate risk, this would be assessed by a qualified Vet.

Also, there have been various reports that Mr Davies had already been fined for neglecting his horses at his previous location? Perhaps you could confirm this? I imagine this would have affected the judge's decision, as this would not be Mr Davies first offence?

I have no great love for the RSPCA but believe that they do their best under difficult circumstances, when people's animals are involved feelings are likely to run high...

We can also not know at this stage what damage has been done by the neglect to the horses in Redwing's care. Whilst they might currently appear healthy, there could be many underlying issues...
 
Having 40 or do horses around is not like having 40 or so dogs around, because horses, even those in poor condition with no passports, are relatively easy to give away. There are quite a few dealers I can think of who would have happily taken any number of them off his hands and would have got them passported and in a decent condition and then sold them on to private homes. They certainly wouldn't have charged livery because they would have made their money selling them on. That option was only ever a phone call away, and although not ideal for the average horse owner, in his situation it would have been far preferable to the very odd series of events that has gone on there (documentarys, strange friendships, facebook pages...).
 
Smile! said:
I can agree that the colts should have been removed, but why the RSPCA offered to help remove them and then decided not to I cannot understand. That in my opinion was irresponsible of them, not the people trying their hardest to help.
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So why when someone offered to come down with a vet and castrate them all for free was the offer not taken up?

How much are the current ponies being sold for and is it true most of them dont belong to Clwyd.
 
Nancykitt said:
Right, now I'm confused. Was he squatting (as many seem to think) or was he paying rent that was suddenly doubled? And passporting has been around for a long time now.
Sorry, but the bit that did it for me was that he allowed stallions/colts to run with mares and fillies, presumably some being related to each other? Why the hell wasn't this the first thing that his 'friends' focused on? Totally and utterly irresponsible. Look at all the 'unwanted' animals around us these days and yet clueless people carry on breeding indiscriminately. Sorry, but this sort of thing is one of my hobby horses.

I suspect there are people on here who have experienced things that have taken them to 'breaking point' but this is most definitely not an excuse for the neglect or poor treatment of animals in that person's care.
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Even though the tv documentary was very biased in CD's favour, they clearly stated he was squatting.
 
Smile! said:
VERY WRONG! I see what you did there! The police would interview anybody they feel may have information which could lead to him being found and would probably be very angry at basically being called puppets with their strings being pulled by any person. They would do what they need to do in the course of their investigation. "Blackening peoples names" is what you are doing right there along with the rest of you!
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VERY RIGHT!

Friends of mine have had their names given to the police by the 'dealer' who accused them of inciting violence against CD. she accused one person of sitting outside her house a bit of a joke considering that this person lived more than 400 miles away!

I am now asking myself, if you will lie about this with such conviction, how many other things have you lied about?

Must be very frustrating for you not to be able to delete individual comments on here though :rolleyes:
 
Smile! said:
WRONG! He was hounded mercilessly. I have read comments saying that he deserved to suffer the same fate as his horses and many more nasty things. The police would definitely be interested in comments like that allowed to remain on the page, would they not?
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Rubbish, perfectly polite comments were deleted.

I myself asked in a perfectly polite non violent way why he had not received the mental help care he obviously needed.

I was initially on his side but after the pictures of his previous horses came out, I asked questions in order to get it straight in my mind what the actual 'truth' was. I was neither rude nor inflammatory, just a horse lover wanting to get to the truth of the situation. My comments were immediately deleted and I was banned, therefore I came to my own conclusions as to the truth of the matter.

Since that time Support have changed their stories so much that I think the truth must be eluding them too.
 
Smile! said:
40 odd horses were removed from his herd I believe. All remaining were in good health at the time of sentencing as reported by Redwings. What would've been nice and should've happened would have been for the RSPCA to spend some of those alleged 250 hours helping, rather than making demands they knew very well an elderly man receiving just his pension would not be able to adhere to. It is a shame the RSPCA decided to change their mission because it means in order to bring a prosecution they now leave animals in distressing situations to strengthen their case, and they do tend to pick on those they know will not be able to comply with their demands.
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It has been claimed that 'the dealer' has rehomed these 40 horses, now, seeing as a rehoming fee has been levied, what happened to the money from those 'rehomed', by rights it belongs to Mr Davies does it not?

I saw what you did there re the RSPCA leaving animals in distressing conditions in order to bring about a prosecution, now lets just state a few facts:

1) Mr Davies was in fact already convicted

2) The law is slow when it comes to actual sentencing, not the fault of the RSPCA.

3) His friend had committed to helping him reduce the herd before sentencing in order for Mr Davies to perhaps keep a manageable number.

4) Friend failed spectacularly and in fact MORE horses appeared on the land, allegedly dumped there :rolleyes: two were in very bad shape (a fact discovered when the LANDOWNER went onto the land with friends and photographed the herd) his friend, by her own admission, had not been there for several weeks. the RSPCA removed the horses in bad shape, and one sadly had to be pts.

The horses dumped btw, were a different herd to the ones he took in for one of his friends (also been prosecuted for animal neglect btw) in the program, you know the program that clearly stated he was SQUATTING?

5) The rehoming fee for these horses is apparently between £300-£500 (this is stated by the friend herself btw). Now, 40 have been rehomed apparently - do the maths.

6) I would expect the remaining horses to be in good health, the RSPCA had been monitoring him regularly so I would not expect any less. The fact is that he was supposed to reduce the herd, he didn't.

7) Regarding the colts left with the herd (yes sadly they had covered the mares) a very kind individual had offered to come down with his vet and castrate the whole lot at his expense. The offer was initially accepted but then turned down - why?
 
I only glanced at the facebook page and decided that I would not be able to get an informed opinion of what had/was happening from the comments there.
If that was the result of 250 hours of RSPCA then their time management needs looking at.
Mental illness is never an excuse for cruelty - but if it exists, then you'd better take it into consideration when you form a plan to help the situation, or it is never going to succeed.
To me, the whole thing is a cluster******* and I don't wish to lose my humanity over the whole sorry situation.
 
In every town all over the country there are those who live rough, often with mental health, alcohol or drug problems. They die young or move on and society in the main doesn't notice, never mind hold a candlelit vigil. :(

What's so different about Mr Davies?

Oh yes, that's it, he was on telly.

I'm not without compassion for CD, I hope he's safe and well somewhere. But I can't be alone in being heartily sick of the circus around him, the repetitive arguements and the finger-pointing.

As they say, I'm out. :D
 
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