Clwyd Davies hounded by 'Animal Extremists?'

smile, obviously no reply to the questions above!!! rent doubled?????? maybe a long time ago, but didnt he then take the irresponsible route of abandoning most of his horses???? passporting????? £29 per horse i believe , or thereabouts, just a few beers or a pub lunch, hardly a valid reason for starving an interrelated herd of horses, absolutely NO excuse to leave sons and fathers to remate with mothers and daughters! I believe he had a tractor (owned or 'borrowed - not sure), but had money for diesel, not cheap, but no money for passports??? more than likely just thought he was above the law. but in his own words his horses ' were his pension' - a business! he sold at Beeston, made money, ( i think you actually bought one of his) when you have a business you have costs, when it does not work you get out, sell or give away your stock, especially if it is eating week by week! there are no excuses, there are several scenarios
1. he is a poor old man out of his depth, can't afford his horses,
2. he has mental health issues - needs help
3, he is a stubborn failed 'business' owner
4. he is an animal owner who loved his horses beyond everything
5.he knew exactly what he was doing, thought the way he kept his stock was acceptable and actually didn't care what others thought.
Everyone has different opinions as to which is the correct description, but the outcome HAD to be the same - the animals, inc dogs had to be rescued to stop an ongoing situation that history had proved was unstoppable, and the unfortunate fact has to be faced that , the mess has to be of his own making, aided and abetted by many people jumping on the bandwagon interfering in his life. I for one am glad the tv programme was made as his horses now have a better life, i hope , and believe he is well somewhere and will surface when he feels the time is right, but i am truly disturbed by the 'cult' status and the vigil (!!!) planned for him, half the people who post (and send donations??!!) also say delusional things like 'we hope he is reunited with his horses soon,' 'when is he getting his horses back' etc , it does not say much for the intelligence of the general public - he was tried by a court of law - he was banned for 5 years from having horses - and was FOUND GUILTY .
 
IMO, he hasn't been hounded out, he's just ******ed off after he realised he was being used certain 'friends''.

The whole thing stinks. The 'support' page is a joke.
 
Smile! said:
You are not correct there. How can you say his friends threw him on TV with such conviction? How can you say they are greedy and fame/money hungry? Really, there is so much speculation in your statement and many damning statements that it would appear that you very much dislike a person or people for you to wish to defame them publically, perhaps for your own reasons. Anybody would assume you are right there with them to know so much about their characters to damn them so publically. This is the problem, so many people tend to believe as "the truth" what they read on the internet, which gives you a powerful throne to sit upon doesn't it?
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does this actually mean anything or are you just giving your flaps a good dusting?

i hear noise (or see words) but make little real sense of them..

i hardly thinks its defaming someone to repeat a fact. Michelle Crowther (his friend and advisor) encouraged and appeared with Clywd in the Channel 4 Documentary the Horse Hoarder that led to a lot of the negative publicity Clywd was left to cope with. From what ive read closely, his own friends on his Support page swing between alternately describing Clwyd as vulnerable and then as someone who would not be forced in to doing anything he didnt want to do. It confuses me, because if he was vulnerable he should have been warned against appearing on television as a self confessed convicted animal neglecter to a UK audience and public that love animals. Did they REALLY not think there was any risk inherent in that?

Now, the worst has happened, after a spate of 'revenge' attacks and clwyd has disappeared, it seems his 'friends' cant distance themselves fast enough from any responsibility they may have for letting clywd become a public figure in the first place and are instead rabidly blaming the RSPCA and a so called 'Hate; page on facebook.

anyone but 'us'. No, No No, nothing to do with us you here the barely controlled hysteria in their postings.

Its Them! the 'haters'
they have blood on their hands!!
I hope they're happy now
he's probably dead!

Lets have a vigil! ..they all wail...with candles and hymns and talks about what a fine chap he was.. (oh and dont forget your donation!)



It all smells a little fishy.

At best.
 
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lula said:
does this actually mean anything or are you just giving your flaps a good dusting?

i hear noise (or see words) but make little real sense of them..
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:D Well put!

I have to say that the DREADFUL biased article in the Mail made me actually feel SORRY for the RSPCA (and that's a VERY rare feeling for me!) The fact is they *******-up a lot - but they went damn easy on CD - and a lot of horses suffered while they went easy on him!

How many times are the RSPCA slagged off for doing NOTHING - but when they act (in an obvious case of neglect and suffering) then they are responsible for the aftermath??

And SMILE - bu**er off! We are all awake to the real CD situation - and none of us will be donating so you're wasting your time!
 
' his rent was 485 a month for bungalow and 30 odd acres it was put up to pay for the repairs to the bungalow which he had let get that way it would of been 585 a month when rent went up if in 6 months he hadnt reduced the number of horses then mostyn would have him removed he declared himself bankrupt twice which ment that he had broken the tenancy with mostyn as in the tenancy it clearly stated that no one who was bankrupt could hold the tenancy he was offered a 2 bedroom house while they did up the mostyn bungalow which he said he would burn down ' -------------------------------' mostyn did everything to try and help him but he wouldnt take the help'
this was written today by someone who knew clwyd well whilst at his previous farm, his rent did NOT double it went up by £100 per month. i have permission to copy and paste this as they are not on this forum. this is NOT hearsay or gossip but fact!
 
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JanetGeorge said:
How many times are the RSPCA slagged off for doing NOTHING - but when they act (in an obvious case of neglect and suffering) then they are responsible for the aftermath??
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i read the article.

it struck me that the RSPCA are often stuck between a rock and a hard place. In all the years they've been a charity there have been a handful of suicides. (excuse me, but i dont know exactly how long, perhaps someone can give me the year they formed?.. but im sure its been at the very least 40)

By the nature of it, SOME animal neglect can come about because people have lost their way in life and cn be in a vulnerable place emotionally to one degree or another so the RSPCA may be dealing with animals owned by such people who very sadly a few have gone on to take their own lives.

But where do you go with this? Do you say 'ok, well we will leave the animals with their owners to suffer because we dont want to deal with the risk they may self harm?" if we take them away?

where do psychologists come into the equation? Isnt that mental health's department not the RSPCA's?

Its a difficult situation but there is no pattern of sucide here as the Daily Fail would have you make out.

what i do know is that the RSPCA go to Court as a very last resort and if we make it easier for people to abuse and mistreat animals by taking an even softer approach then wont that be putting the animals in greater risk?

Its not easy. The RSPCA need an overhaul in some respects but dealing with people is not easy but their job is to put the animals welfare first.

THAT'S what they're there for and from my point of view, as it should be.
 
lula said:
does this actually mean anything or are you just giving your flaps a good dusting?

i hear noise (or see words) but make little real sense of them..

i hardly thinks its defaming someone to repeat a fact. Michelle Crowther (his friend and advisor) encouraged and appeared with Clywd in the Channel 4 Documentary the Horse Hoarder that led to a lot of the negative publicity Clywd was left to cope with. From what ive read closely, his own friends on his Support page swing between alternately describing Clwyd as vulnerable and then as someone who would not be forced in to doing anything he didnt want to do. It confuses me, because if he was vulnerable he should have been warned against appearing on television as a self confessed convicted animal neglecter to a UK audience and public that love animals. Did they REALLY not think there was any risk inherent in that?

Now, the worst has happened, after a spate of 'revenge' attacks and clwyd has disappeared, it seems his 'friends' cant distance themselves fast enough from any responsibility they may have for letting clywd become a public figure in the first place and are instead rabidly blaming the RSPCA and a so called 'Hate; page on facebook.

anyone but 'us'. No, No No, nothing to do with us you here the barely controlled hysteria in their postings.

Its Them! the 'haters'
they have blood on their hands!!
I hope they're happy now
he's probably dead!

Lets have a vigil! ..they all wail...with candles and hymns and talks about what a fine chap he was.. (oh and dont forget your donation!)



It all smells a little fishy.

At best.
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'Like' - Very very very well put :)

The ones quick enough to blame the 'Truth Page' or the RSPCA, really need to look closer to home
 
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MagicMelon said:
If he was "depressed and unwell", why didnt he simply sell all his horses? Pretty simple thing to do to be honest.
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Sorry I haven't read the rest of the thread, but actually not a simple thing to do if he was indeed suffering from mental illness. I suffer from bipolar and clinical depression, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy! The bloke needed help!
 
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tankgirl1 said:
Sorry I haven't read the rest of the thread, but actually not a simple thing to do if he was indeed suffering from mental illness. I suffer from bipolar and clinical depression, I wouldn't with it on my worst enemy! The bloke needed help!
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Unfortunately there is only himself who could have sought that help, unless of course he became a danger to himself or the public, and been sectioned.
 
It must be a novelty, Smile, to post somewhere where posts don't get removed:D

I wonder how exactly you think Clwyd Davies has been hounded?
 
sorry smile, but apart from denying you bought a horse from Clwyd, interestingly you haven't denied anything else in my post, i posted only facts, (apart from one supposition) all of which can be backed up unlike most of the drivel and hysteria posted on the support page. i have absolutely no personal feelings either way towards the case, just hate the fact that people are so blinkered and CANNOT see or face the facts of this case of extreme animal neglect, which is totally indefensible!
 
Smile! said:
Oh for goodness sake! I am not Michelle! Kindly stop making wild accusations.

Personally I find you (and others) more unpalatable than the elderly gentleman you have hounded for many a long month. Perhaps you should all go and join up with the RSPCA as they would welcome such single minded hard heartedness. I can't abide this blinkered vision so shall leave you all to your petty sniping. It may be worth remembering that this is not your "Truth" page and you don't have a commanding role over anybody. This is an open forum and I have told the truth on several matters only to be branded a liar, a troll and several other unsavoury things, plus accused of being somebody I am not.
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Single minded?! Blinkered vision? Petty sniping?

I suggest you take a look at yourself before accusing the RSPCA of being what you yourself appear to be...

Then again, if you support animal cruelty then suppose we couldn't expect anything more...
 
oh , by the way smile ------------------------------------------------------ ',Originally Posted by Smile!
Oh for goodness sake! I am not Michelle! Kindly stop making wild accusations
Personally I find you (and others) more unpalatable than the elderly gentleman you have hounded for many a long month. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ' i think you might want to rephrase your post, it sounds as if you really don't like the gentleman in question
 
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Unfortunately there is only himself who could have sought that help, unless of course he became a danger to himself or the public, and been sectioned.
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Sad but true. It seems he sought help from the wrong source.... A TV programme highlighting his issues was not a wise choice... It's just a very sad scenario all round :(
 
So Smile is saying she finds the elderly gentleman unpalatable, what an admission;)

The only blinkers being worn is by you smile, this is not the truth page but dosnt it strike you as odd that everyone has the same opinion on here as the truth page. HHo has a good reputation for sniffing out bs and youve certainly spouted lots of it.
 
CD could have taken his stock to Beeston (he had done it before it was where MC met and brought her 1st horse from him).

Lets face it the 'livery costs' would have covered the passporting costs and numbers could have been reduced quickly that way.

So why didn't he send his stock to Beeston?

1) Because they were his retirement fund?

or

2) Because a 'friend' convinced him she could get more for his stock?

Support really need to make up their mind as to whether he is -

a) An old, vulnerable man (in which case he should not have been used by them in their media PR circus).

b) A strong minded, stubborn man who could not be pushed into anything (in which case how did they except his numbers to be reduce however much help he got)?

One thing that can't be argued it that horses suffered over a prolonged period (horse was removed in poor condition days before sentencing). CD pleaded GUILTY to causing that suffering.
 
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:eek:
Wow I know he is one of the great unwashed, but say you find him unpalatable whilst claiming to support him! Who needs enemies with friends like you!

Kind of reminds me of the scene in Horse Horder when CD attempts to put his arm round MC and her fake smile cracks to show her true feelings..............
 
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Come on Pie!! He called them his children, would you send your children to Beeston to be bought by the meatman??

Oh silly me, he already did because that's where he met Michelle. Let's hope none of his 'children' found their way into a Fray Bentos steak and kidney pie....
 
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Ladyinred said:
Come on Pie!! He called them his children, would you send your children to Beeston to be bought by the meatman??

Oh silly me, he already did because that's where he met Michelle. Let's hope none of his 'children' found their way into a Fray Bentos steak and kidney pie....
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Zhingaro was one wasn't he? 3/4yo entire. Pretty sure MC brought that @ Beeston and 1yr on could still not put a rug on or pick his feet (great horse woman). Mind she still not bothered to get him gelded, so doubt that helped.

Oh dear re: the FB pie as I'm also sure he was partial to those when not chewing on dog treats!
 
Oh please - childish, heartless and evil? Us? Animal lovers who cannot and will not accept neglect. There is no excuse and no bigger picture - he was found GUILTY, you are aware of that aren't you?

The trouble is you are so narrow minded to your own agenda you can't see past the end if your noses

If his "friends" who were so keen for the bigger picture to be seen, hadnt thrown him out into the media circus there wouldn't be a 'truth page' because he would have been found guilty and sentenced quietly like many others. The most many of us would have heard was a small quick snippet in a paper after his sentencing

Even HE knew and admitted he was guilty - so where do you get off thinking that with people agreeing with him that he was a horse abuser and neglector that makes us evil?

Sometimes the human race with people like you trying to justify his behaviour, makes me hang my head in shame
 
We're not the ones courting media attention. In fact none of us have been in the media. On the other hand, Ms Crowther has.
 
For goodness' sake, Smile, quit the melodrama - try to stand back a bit and see the 'big picture' here as far as the animals are concerned!

I knew very little about this case and didn't see the original documentary. I've been doing some research and trying to take an objective view. This is a man who is clearly not well, and that's very sad indeed. He seemingly had 'friends' who could have REALLY helped him - as in getting horses gelded, helping reduce his herd and so on. What appears to have happened is that he was put into a media spotlight - presumably to get some sort of 'support' - and this has, in part, backfired.

Here's the bottom line: HORSES SUFFERED.
I cannot condone anyone keeping colts entire running with their mothers and sisters. It's appalling. And the condition of some of those horses was very poor indeed.

This is what I can't get my head round with the 'supporters'. If they really were concerned friends - which is the image they are trying to put over - then why didn't they get together and help the guy instead of getting the media involved?
Surely if they had acted soon enough they could have even prevented him being put through the court case? Where were the 'friends' when the RSPCA were giving advice to try and resolve the situation? Why didn't THEY do more to stop the horses inbreeding and suffering when it mattered, instead of having candlelight vigils and going on about how upsetting it all is?

There is an elderly gentleman who lives near us; he used to breed and show Shire horses until a dreadful accident left him disabled and unable to look after his mare. His friends helped out and she is now on grass livery, and every week my husband drives him over to see his beloved horse and spend some time with her. There is no need for high profile publicity and no medals. There are people around who care about animals and people and will do everything they can to help - long before it all gets out of hand.

Horses suffered - you can't get away from that.

And some of those people who are now giving the sob story and holding vigils could have done so much more - if they were real friends and genuinely concerned about a sick man and his animals.
 
Smile! said:
As has been said many times, the case is over, the man has been sentenced. Why are you still forcing yourself into the limelight and courting media attention? Obviously you haven't had enough yet and still have more axes to grind. How pathetic, really.

If the people close to him want to hold a vigil, that is their choice also. You don't have a say in it as the man isn't public property he is a human being with people that very much care about him. Have some respect for his family and friends.
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Well if it's all over why are the 'support' group still going on and on? It's their choice, yes, but they are obviously as keen to drag things on as anyone!

'He isn't public property' - oh, the irony - that's pretty much what does happen when people are forced into a media circus.

And as for his family and friends - no, I won't respect a bunch of people who could have done so much more to help. Why all this fuss now - vigils and asking for donations? Why not have done more when it needed to be done? They could have prevented animals suffering!

Horses suffered, and there was no need. I'm sure the people here would be happy to draw a line under it when the 'supporters' do. There's probably more chance of him turning up if things go quieter.
 
Nancykitt - the media circus DID start to die down until lo and behold, there's Michelle Crowther recounting the limelight all ready for another instalment of the programme

It's no wonder he fled
 
Smile! perhaps you would care to explain clearly and concisely exactly why you feel the need to expect other horse lovers to show compassion for a man who seriously neglected his horses and as such has actually been convicted of this by the RSPCA? He has a track record of this which is quite clearly documented so it is not new to him.
Regardless of his personal circumstances he failed abysmally to put his horses first as the vast majority of horse lovers would have done. Life happens and lots of time its not fair, **** happens to all of us but we have to get on with it and we most certainly do not let our animals suffer. For those that do thank god there and people and organisations out there who will try to do something to rectify it. Removing horses and the subsequent prosecution is not the first step it is the last step.
People on here unfortunately do not believe that this man loved his horses, yes he may have loved his 'pension fund' but he most certainly did not love his horses otherwise he would have put them first and sold them or signed them over when he couldn't cope.
I fail to see how people can be that blinkered that they condone the actions of a stubborn old man who let his horses suffer so much, now that upsets me as a human being as I do not condone animal abuse in any shape or form :mad:
 
Well I suppose those who think they're in the know had to do something to contradict the more fact based article that appeared earlier in the week in a national newspaper with a far better reputation than the Daily Fail!

It doesn't take a Sherlock to work out that anyone with any sense is going to be reading the more upmarket newspaper, and sadly for support, that will also mean the majority of the people with money to donate to worthy causes.

Smile, you aren't going to find brainwashed idiots here that you can talk around to your perspective by continuing to champion the cause of an animal abuser. Said character has a reputation for walking away when things don't go his way so hold a vigil, cause a scene with gutter press and enjoy your time in the limelight thanks to him. It'll all come to an end soon enough when he finally chooses to wander back, or is found, and you'll all be there with egg on your faces.
 
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