Clwyd Davies hounded by 'Animal Extremists?'

Seriously, Smile, would you support the Jamie Greys of this world? I know it's a bad comparison, but he was another serial abuser, with money issues and alleged mental health problems.
Why was the very kind offer to geld the colts not taken up?
 
Interestingly there was the potential to re-home quite a few of the horses right at the start of this whole situation.

Unfortunately, however, once people started asking very straightforward questions about how the process would work they were simply kicked off the FB page.

Certainly a novel way in which to run a re-homing programme.
 
Smile! said:
You know very well what I meant. I do not find him unpalatable, but all of you yes I do. You made this thread which is why its frequented by all of you spouting your usual childish drivel. Isn't it about time you grew up and saw the much bigger picture, to include the person/people you've enjoyed worrying like a pack of wolves? The bigger picture includes the history you've tried to force feed to people with no explanation about how he came to be in that position. You are a heartless bunch of evil people with the mental age of young teenagers. Are you sure you're adults? Makes me ashamed to be part of the human race.
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stop aflappin' about peace and compassion D, the RSPCA are an animal charity, this is a horse forum.

I really wish you people would make your mind up about whether Clywd Davies was a vulnerable simple minded human being who needed help and charity, or - what i have been told umpteen times by MC herslef_ that he was a man who knew exactly what he was doing and would never do anything he didn't want to or be swayed in to doing.

At least he was described as such to me when i suggested she might be at least partially to blame for putting CD in the limelight in the first place which put him in the face of the public and their wrath as a convicted animal neglecter which ultimately and understandably, he could not cope with.

when i see facts changed so many times to suit the particular viewpoint of the story teller you have to wonder if you're being told the truth at all and not just spin.

whatever, it seems Clywd has had enough of his 'friends' and bvggered off somewhere to get some peace. (and perhaps avoid his community service but that would just be me defaming the man's sweet, gentle character now wouldnt it?)

Honestly DD, you really should get a job in the Social Services where you can take your basket of rose tinted compassion and share it out amongst the genuine poor and needy.

You would be more use.
 
Nancykitt said:
And as for his family and friends - no, I won't respect a bunch of people who could have done so much more to help. Why all this fuss now - vigils and asking for donations? Why not have done more when it needed to be done? They could have prevented animals suffering!
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this is actually a very good point.

if he had so many friends and family why didnt;

THEY step in to prevent him living in such appalling domestic conditions?
THEY step in to help the horses before it was left to the RSPCA to step in?

PERHAPS if they had, Clywd wouldnt have been dragged to Court and lost all of his 'equine family' he professed (as the party line tells us) to love and cherish so much?

WHY is the RSPCA taking the flack for all this when (apparently) he had so many friends and family that just sat back and watched conditions deteriorate and Clywd struggle?

No wonder Clywd's forked off and hasn't told them where. If i had friends like that i don't think id want them around me either.
 
Seems to me that maybe Clwyd possibly decided to "disapear" to perhaps avoid the £500 fine (which in my mind should of been more), and also to not be made to do his 250 hours of community service. There is also the fact he did not want to look at the empty fields he would be left with when the horses were seized, it would of broken his heart to see his pension "oops sorry his children" to be taken away.

There was also the matter of the owners of the farm taking matters further to get him off the land, also how did he charge his mobile phone up without electric, oh yeh with his generator by the caravan he lived in around the back not in the hovel of a farm as stated in the documentry.

If he was suffering from mental health problems why did,nt his "friend" get him some help, after all she spent many days with him to know if he required help or not. Face facts supporters, he has done one and gone off to lick his wounds because he thought if it looked like he was doing more to look after his horses he would get to keep the remaining ones and restart his breeding again to increase his herd so he could continue to sell them on.
 
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Nancykitt said:
For goodness' sake, Smile, quit the melodrama - try to stand back a bit and see the 'big picture' here as far as the animals are concerned!

I knew very little about this case and didn't see the original documentary. I've been doing some research and trying to take an objective view. This is a man who is clearly not well, and that's very sad indeed. He seemingly had 'friends' who could have REALLY helped him - as in getting horses gelded, helping reduce his herd and so on. What appears to have happened is that he was put into a media spotlight - presumably to get some sort of 'support' - and this has, in part, backfired.

Here's the bottom line: HORSES SUFFERED.
I cannot condone anyone keeping colts entire running with their mothers and sisters. It's appalling. And the condition of some of those horses was very poor indeed.

This is what I can't get my head round with the 'supporters'. If they really were concerned friends - which is the image they are trying to put over - then why didn't they get together and help the guy instead of getting the media involved?
Surely if they had acted soon enough they could have even prevented him being put through the court case? Where were the 'friends' when the RSPCA were giving advice to try and resolve the situation? Why didn't THEY do more to stop the horses inbreeding and suffering when it mattered, instead of having candlelight vigils and going on about how upsetting it all is?

There is an elderly gentleman who lives near us; he used to breed and show Shire horses until a dreadful accident left him disabled and unable to look after his mare. His friends helped out and she is now on grass livery, and every week my husband drives him over to see his beloved horse and spend some time with her. There is no need for high profile publicity and no medals. There are people around who care about animals and people and will do everything they can to help - long before it all gets out of hand.

Horses suffered - you can't get away from that.

And some of those people who are now giving the sob story and holding vigils could have done so much more - if they were real friends and genuinely concerned about a sick man and his animals.
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Brilliant post
 
Personally I'm just pleased MC wont financially benefit from the horses that were confiscated. It would be interesting to see how long she remains a 'friend' once the financial incentive is gone. No-one should profit on the back of cruelty, including CD.

Think he's done the disappearing act to avoid his sentance. No doubt somewhere else trying to start a new pension fund unfortunately.
 
I think the RSPCA failed to help CD's horses, rather than wasting their time, he should have been given further education and they should have helped him take care of the horses and acted sensibly and removed the colts and any sick and injured horses at the start of their investigation rather than allowing the situation escalate.
I'm not a massive fan of the RSPCA as I feel they waste taxpayers money on unnecessary prosecutions and often destroy healthy animals as this is not what they should be doing....
 
tabithakat64 said:
I think the RSPCA failed to help CD's horses, rather than wasting their time, he should have been given further education and they should have helped him take care of the horses and acted sensibly and removed the colts and any sick and injured horses at the start of their investigation rather than allowing the situation escalate.
I'm not a massive fan of the RSPCA as I feel they waste taxpayers money on unnecessary prosecutions and often destroy healthy animals as this is not what they should be doing....
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How is 240 hours of assistance not having helped CD?
 
tabithakat64 said:
I think the RSPCA failed to help CD's horses, rather than wasting their time, he should have been given further education and they should have helped him take care of the horses and acted sensibly and removed the colts and any sick and injured horses at the start of their investigation rather than allowing the situation escalate.
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what do you think they were doing with the 250 hours of time the RSPCA put into helping Clywd before it finally ended up in Court...playing scrabble?


Sorry to be facetious, but that is the amount of time the RSPCA themselves state they put into Clywd's case educating and helping him but people have to actually WANT to be educated and helped and Clywd saw those horses mainly as his pension scheme and thus was reluctant to just sign them over. he wanted to sell them which is why an arrangement with MC ws eventually worked out to do just that.

although, if clywd hadnt vastly over priced his animals and refused to compromise to start on money, it might have happened sooner.

Back to the RSPCA tho, when Tabithakat, is enough RSPCA time, man hours and money spent on each case before beginning Court proceedings in your view since you don't believe enough was done in this case?
 
lula said:
this is actually a very good point.

if he had so many friends and family why didnt;

THEY step in to prevent him living in such appalling domestic conditions?
THEY step in to help the horses before it was left to the RSPCA to step in?

PERHAPS if they had, Clywd wouldnt have been dragged to Court and lost all of his 'equine family' he professed (as the party line tells us) to love and cherish so much?

WHY is the RSPCA taking the flack for all this when (apparently) he had so many friends and family that just sat back and watched conditions deteriorate and Clywd struggle?

No wonder Clywd's forked off and hasn't told them where. If i had friends like that i don't think id want them around me either.
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Brilliant, my thoughts on this exactly.
 
Further education? He's been a horse breeder for probably longer than I've been alive

This isn't some elderly gentleman who comes across a horse that needs " rescuing" and sticks a lami prone pony into a field of lush grass or a tb out in all weathers an expects it to survive on just grass

Besides, the RSPCA tried to help and he didn't care
 
i think the problem arose as Michelle ( who at one point was an RSPCA fan) was 'working closely with them' , and i would imagine she gave assurances that things would be ok, as the RSPCA is overstretched it would be easy to assume they took things at face value - and that was when things unravelled, at one point , during the heavy snow, there is documentary evidence (photos) that NO hay was out in the fields despite there being atrocious weather, now whether she took his word for it that the horses were being fed, the fact of the matter was that they were NOT!. it took someone on the fb pages to complain, and then some boy, 'helping' put up pictures of hay and tractor marks, (after the original pics) and said he, himself had put out 2 small bales that very day!!!! at that point there were upwards of 20 horses, some heavy in foal, so 2 bales went a long way, perhaps they were hoping for a 'loaves and fishes' miracle!!
 
amymay said:
How is 240 hours of assistance not having helped CD?
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As I put in my previous post, the colts should have been removed alongside the sick and injured horses. The RSPCA should have prevented the situation getting worse for the horses by removing the colts (surely a sensible vet would have agreed that this was in the animals best interests due to the danger of fighting etc).

Given that he had a previous prosecution surely it should have been much easier for them to remove animals from him this time around? Rather than the situation these horses were in getting worse and requiring more time and effort from everyone involved...

I'm also confused as I've read he was given two warnings to rectify the situation which I assume he didn't comply with (I believe you get a couple of weeks to do so), why at that stage weren't the horses removed by the RSPCA rather than them allowing things to continue for months?

Regarding RSPCA and wasting tax payers money etc I was referring to them prosecuting the hunts rather than this specific case.
 
tabithakat64 said:
As I put in my previous post, the colts should have been removed alongside the sick and injured horses. The RSPCA should have prevented the situation getting worse for the horses by removing the colts (surely a sensible vet would have agreed that this was in the animals best interests due to the danger of fighting etc).
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I quite agree that the colts should have been removed. And guess who was going to assist with that - yep you got it his friend Ms Crowther. Sadly it didn't happen. It certainly wasn't the RSPCA's responsibility to do it.

Given that he had a previous prosecution surely it should have been much easier for them to remove animals from him this time around? Rather than the situation these horses were in getting worse and requiring more time and effort from everyone involved...
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Completely agree. However, the law is an ass.
 
But there was a very genuine offer from someone who offered to come down with his vet and castrate all the stallions and colts at no expense to themselves. They initially accepted this offer then declined it which just goes to show the horses welfare was never the first priority.
 
Bikerchickone said:
Well I suppose those who think they're in the know had to do something to contradict the more fact based article that appeared earlier in the week in a national newspaper with a far better reputation than the Daily Fail!
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What this one?

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