Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

Blimey - I read this thread when it was first posted and can't believe it has caused so much outrage! (FWIW I'm a non-sharer of my PL account)
 
Can I just add that people regularly look up BS records for other people on HHO, and it has never caused a riot like this - and BS membership is much more expensive. Surely that should be even worse?
 
Isn't honesty a topic worth discussing? If stealing a service worth a fiver is ok, what's the most you can avoid paying before it's theft ?
 
khalswitz said:
Can I just add that people regularly look up BS records for other people on HHO, and it has never caused a riot like this - and BS membership is much more expensive. Surely that should be even worse?
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exactly! This thread has got way out of hand and there is absolutly no need for some of the comments. Theres bin tonnes of threads exactly the same and they dont get turned into a b*tch fest. Im a preloved member and share info/ads with non member friends all the time, seriously in the grand scheme of things whats the big deal!? Get a grip!
 
rowan666 said:
exactly! This thread has got way out of hand and there is absolutly no need for some of the comments. Theres bin tonnes of threads exactly the same and they dont get turned into a b*tch fest. Im a preloved member and share info/ads with non member friends all the time, seriously in the grand scheme of things whats the big deal!? Get a grip!
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Noooooo .... run Rowan .... run for your life, get out whilst you still can ... i`ll hold them off for you ... lololol

Eeeeeeeee but honestly, what are we all like .... :p

cptrayes said:
I hope your job situation gets sorted out soon.
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Thanks .... sure it will, had 2.5 days from hell to be honest, but now have a few days off and looking forward to just chilling, I need it to be fair, my brain is about fried ... think the Gin will be out again this evening lol ... All change now at our place and drivers are up in arms about it, having to do a lot of coaxing and gentling along ... working with the horses has been good practice for this to be honest .. **heh heh heh** ... though i don`t think they`ll appreciate a poke in the ribs and being told to move *over* .... **chin chin folks**
 
honetpot said:
I come from the north and this would be classed as friendly joshing. This whole thread has been like a plot from Ever Decreasing Circles, (old BBC comedy)when Martin is right but at the same time appears foolish. I do love this forum.
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Thank you honetpot, I am in the north! You are right, that is how it was meant.
 
WOW 😳😳😳

That's all 😒

The thing I don't like about this thread is 'cud' instead of could...


Wanders off to pull legs off crane flies and harvest spiders......
 
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SpringArising said:
Do you realise the irony in what you just said? Class.
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There is no irony in it. Because the thread doesn't offend me at all. Hence me posting in it. What offends me is people wanting something for nothing. Hence me responding to the thread. ;-)

If the actual thread is upsetting for some people as they have serious concerns in life which makes this pale into insignificance, then I am not sure why they would post in the first place.
 
khalswitz said:
Can I just add that people regularly look up BS records for other people on HHO, and it has never caused a riot like this - and BS membership is much more expensive. Surely that should be even worse?
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It's nothing like the same though is it K?

The primary purpose of BS membership is to own/ride a horse which competes BS, the record is incidental, and of not much commercial value.

People justifying what they are doing seem to be doing it by confusing what they pay preloved for. The subscription is not to 'own' one phone number from one ad, it's to have the right to any phone number on any ad before other users of the site.

There are two levels of subscription, one of which allows you to share information with other members of your organisation and costs five times as much as an individual subscription for that reason.

People seem to be forgetting that there are jobs at stake here if too many people refuse to pay the subscription. They don't provide the service for fun and they have a right to be paid for it.

I know it's 'only a fiver' but if you excuse dishonesty of a fiver, where do you stop?
 
Moomin1 said:
There is no irony in it. Because the thread doesn't offend me at all. Hence me posting in it. What offends me is people wanting something for nothing. Hence me responding to the thread. ;-)
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Well since the OP wanting 'something for nothing' is the one who started the thread, it must have offended you. I'm still seeing the irony, but maybe your rose-tinted life specs are clouding your vision.
 
SpringArising said:
Well since the OP wanting 'something for nothing' is the one who started the thread, it must have offended you. I'm still seeing the irony, but maybe your rose-tinted life specs are clouding your vision.
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SA, can you tell my what is 'rose tinted' about wanting people to pay for the services that they take?
 
SpringArising said:
Well since the OP wanting 'something for nothing' is the one who started the thread, it must have offended you. I'm still seeing the irony, but maybe your rose-tinted life specs are clouding your vision.
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Oh believe me, I've got far from rose tinted life specs. I spend my life dealing daily with dishonest people who are more than happy to scrounge a bob or two out of other people.
 
cptrayes said:
The increasing acceptance of minor stuff like this, small insurance fraud, etc, is, imo, a real, creeping and increasingly serious problem with society.
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I completely agree with you. Its really interesting. Defrauding Pre-Loved out of a fiver is ok and Gary Barlow defrauding the exchequer out of millions is ok, but someone claiming a few thousand pounds worth of benefits they aren't entitled to is DISGRACEFUL, with multiple exclamation marks.

Can someone please tell me, in pounds and pence, when fraud stops being ok and then the amount at which it starts being ok again?

FWIW I am also extremely concerned about ISIS, the situation in Syria & the Holy Land, Boko Haram, the state of British politics & a fat horse I know. I thought it was normal to be able to be worried about more than one thing at once?
 
cptrayes said:
SA, can you tell my what is 'rose tinted' about wanting people to pay for the services that they take?
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The person who did take IS paying for the service. They then used the information they paid for to use at their own discretion. In this case, they passed it on.

You buy a CD and your friend (presuming you have any) asks to borrow it. Do you say yes, or do you never lend anyone anything for fear of depriving the original distributors of cash?
 
SpringArising said:
The person who did take IS paying for the service. They then used the information they paid for to use at their own discretion. In this case, they passed it on.

You buy a CD and your friend (presuming you have any) asks to borrow it. Do you say yes, or do you never lend anyone anything for fear of depriving the original distributors of cash?
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Borrowing a cd is not the same. By borrowing, you give back, therefore you are not gaining full use of the cd. If however, someone lent a person a cd in order to copy, then it's piracy.

Whilst I am not against someone being generous and helping people out, it is rife with things like Preloved - there are people here, there and everywhere asking for people to give them the numbers, therefore it isn't just one fiver, it's hundreds of thousands.
 
SpringArising said:
The person who did take IS paying for the service. They then used the information they paid for to use at their own discretion. In this case, they passed it on.

You buy a CD and your friend (presuming you have any) asks to borrow it. Do you say yes, or do you never lend anyone anything for fear of depriving the original distributors of cash?
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The service they are paying for is, as I have already pointed out, to have access for themselves to phone numbers on ads before other people can get them. If they want to be able to pass those on to other people in their own organisation, the fee is five times as high. They do not own one phone number from one ad, why do you find that difficult to understand?

I can lend a CD, yes, and while it is lent I do not have access to it myself. This is more akin to copying that CD and giving the copy to the friend, which is theft.


PS, yes, someone did offer me their car park ticket today, and no, I did not take it. Because if I did, then the rest of my district's rate payers would have to pay higher rates next year.
 
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cptrayes said:
The service they are paying for is, as I have already pointed out, to have access for themselves to phone numbers on ads before other people can get them. If they want to be able to pass those on to other people in their own organisation, the fee is five times as high. They do not own one phone number from one ad, why do you find that difficult to understand?
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Have you found anything in the T+C's yet which states numbers can't be passed on from a paid member to a free member?
 
undergroundoli said:
I completely agree with you. Its really interesting. Defrauding Pre-Loved out of a fiver is ok and Gary Barlow defrauding the exchequer out of millions is ok, but someone claiming a few thousand pounds worth of benefits they aren't entitled to is DISGRACEFUL, with multiple exclamation marks.

Can someone please tell me, in pounds and pence, when fraud stops being ok and then the amount at which it starts being ok again?

FWIW I am also extremely concerned about ISIS, the situation in Syria & the Holy Land, Boko Haram, the state of British politics & a fat horse I know. I thought it was normal to be able to be worried about more than one thing at once?
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Excellent post.
Its quite a surprise that some posters think theft is socially acceptable. It isn't.

Also extremely concerned about major world issues and my daughter's cat's teeth.
 
undergroundoli said:
I completely agree with you. Its really interesting. Defrauding Pre-Loved out of a fiver is ok and Gary Barlow defrauding the exchequer out of millions is ok....
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Now I must speak up on the basis I am a little bit in love with gary barlow. As far as I'm aware what he did wasnt fraud and was within the law. Its just people took objection to how he didnt act within the spirit of the law - not his fault the legislation was drafted by someone who failed to spot the loophole but if anyone feels strongly about it I volunteer to spend the weekend with him teaching him what a naughty boy he has been.....
 
Moomin1 said:
Borrowing a cd is not the same. By borrowing, you give back, therefore you are not gaining full use of the cd. If however, someone lent a person a cd in order to copy, then it's piracy.
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But if they simply GIVE the CD to their friend, that is ok (in my opinion).... But by your ideals that person would have done the artist/record company out of the cost of the album.

Can`t believe this is still rumbling on .... I would do it again, I have other memberships which give me access to areas I pay for, that friends don`t have, and i`d pass on info there too ... just because.

Seriously now folks, it was my fiver, i paid it, i chose to share it ... now really, seriously? Can we move on from this? I`ve tried to lighten the thread to no avail, and quite frankly it really is getting silly now .... If anyone needs owt from preloved, pm me in future ;) lol
 
cptrayes said:
PS, yes, someone did offer me their car park ticket today, and no, I did not take it. Because if I did, then the rest of my district's rate payers would have to pay higher rates next year.
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Hahahaha, I love this forum, threads like this make me smile. Thank you !
 
SpringArising said:
Have you found anything in the T+C's yet which states numbers can't be passed on from a paid member to a free member?
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Yes, it says, as you know, that you may make one copy for personal use, and that you may share that with members of your organisation, which clearly refers to a corporate membership, otherwise the fee for corporate membership would not be five times as high.

You know it's wrong SF, why can't you just admit it?
 
MerrySherryRider said:
Do you think it's ok to post a private number publically on another random forum ? Really ?

Would it be ok then to link your private number on a fetish forum ?
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Erm but it`s not is it ... it an advert for a saddle for a pony, being put on a horse forum .... not the same at all !!
 
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