Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

MerrySherryRider said:
Poor puddy tat. She needs a couple of teeth out. Vet has quoted between £250 - £400 ! Think it's only ever cost me around £140 max. Even that was dearer than the filly having her wolf teeth out.
Perhaps daughter take the service and not pay:)
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Blimey Charlie that is expensive, think I'm in the wrong job!

You could drop puddy tat off at the vets, pretend she's a stray and suggest if they fix her teeth you would adopt her ?

Hope both the puddy tat and your wallet gets better soon
 
DCJACE said:
About as incapable as you are at seeing the company has been around since 1997, and has been bought out this year after a lot of bids were tendered for a massively profitable company, that isn`t going to go under any time soon due to it`s already huge member data base, and if those members who HAVE already paid money to them, share the odd number here or there, and members/sellers get what they are wanting from the site, and word of mouth spreads even more, that is only ever going to be a GOOD thing for the company :)
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You take the biscuit for self delusion and self justification, I'll give you that!

Can you tell us if you feel the same way about nicking five quid's worth of food from a big profitable company like Waitrose and giving it to a beggar in the street who asks for it?

I'm sure he'll tell people how tasty it was and encourage people to buy more from them :)
 
Asha said:
Blimey Charlie that is expensive, think I'm in the wrong job!

You could drop puddy tat off at the vets, pretend she's a stray and suggest if they fix her teeth you would adopt her ?

Hope both the puddy tat and your wallet gets better soon
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Well, she's actually just been rehomed by my daughter, perhaps it was because she needed her teeth doing ? Ah well.
 
cptrayes said:
You take the biscuit for self delusion and self justification, I'll give you that!

Can you tell us if you feel the same way about nicking five quid's worth of food from a big profitable company like Waitrose and giving it to a beggar in the street who asks for it?

I'm sure he'll tell people how tasty it was and encourage people to buy more from them :)
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No, but i`d BUY it like I have done and give it him ...... suppose that`s wrong too in your eyes ;)
 
Moomin1 said:
Oh well, it's fine to do it then - if Preloved are a massively profitable company, they can afford people using their services dishonestly. Doesn't matter whether it's morally acceptable or not.....
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But who decides what is morally right or wrong? You? People on this thread? Your church? your religion? Society? ... as i`ve said, people are people ... Will I share a number, yes, would I physically steal, no, or course not. I found a wallet once, with a hell of a lot of money in it, I handed it in. I found a tenner on a remote bridle path and I kept it. You go with what feels right to you ...
 
DCJACE said:
No, but i`d BUY it like I have done and give it him ...... suppose that`s wrong too in your eyes ;)
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Why would I think that was wrong?

You really are completely unable to understand that you did not own that number to pass it on to anyone else, aren't you? Fascinating. We are wired very differently!

PS I'd have given the tenner to a horse charity.
 
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cptrayes said:
We are wired very differently!
PS I'd have given the tenner to a horse charity
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We are, I am unique, just like everybody else :p ....

I used it to buy dinner for myself and the 2 friends who were hacking with me that day.
 
cptrayes said:
You take the biscuit for self delusion and self justification, I'll give you that!

Can you tell us if you feel the same way about nicking five quid's worth of food from a big profitable company like Waitrose and giving it to a beggar in the street who asks for it?

I'm sure he'll tell people how tasty it was and encourage people to buy more from them :)
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Yes :) But I dont because I'd risk a criminal record. I could give that homeless person food in a different way. And also because Waitrose has paid for that food, unlike PL where they dont pay for anything and that information is given away for free after 7days. Waitrose doesnt give their food away after 7days. They bin it, even when that homeless person would be really glad of it.

No one is stealing anything, they are just jumping the que and in a lot of instances some careful googling will get their details off a free site.

A lot of people are clearly very upset. They would be better upset about some welfare issues and venting their spleen doing something about that surely??
 
I'm actually a bit shocked that preloved charges, since it is already covered in corporate adverts, it's surely making a mint from them. It's the way fb et al make their money after all.

As a seller it seems kinda counter productive that pre loved deliberately limit your potential audience, In order for them the make some more doe. Clever of them I guess though, a double pronged approach to making money. I wonder what they do with their big data too...

As for if she should have, or have not asked for the number, I guess it really makes no odds. Preloved don't care who buys the item. Preloved got thier fiver, got big bucks from the corporate ads targeting the buyer, seller, middle man and everyone In between( probably made more than a fiver from hits from this thread alone!)..

the sellar sold the item, and likely both the seller and buyer will be back to use the site again. Pre loved can't really lose here! Sure.. What if everyone shares the numbers... Preloveds viewer and site stats increase ten fold, ramping up the corporate ad revenue, win win! Could possibly be why they don't have the no sharing rule explicitly on their website. They are certainly not daft!
 
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FrankieCob said:
Yes :) But I dont because I'd risk a criminal record. I could give that homeless person food in a different way. And also because Waitrose has paid for that food, unlike PL where they dont pay for anything and that information is given away for free after 7days. Waitrose doesnt give their food away after 7days. They bin it, even when that homeless person would be really glad of it.

No one is stealing anything, they are just jumping the que and in a lot of instances some careful googling will get their details off a free site.

A lot of people are clearly very upset. They would be better upset about some welfare issues and venting their spleen doing something about that surely??
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Oh, I don't need to spend any more time concerning myself regarding welfare issues than I already do. In fact, it's nice to divert my concerns elsewhere for a change. :-)
 
DCJACE said:
We are, I am unique, just like everybody else :p ....

I used it to buy dinner for myself and the 2 friends who were hacking with me that day.
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£3.33 each for lunch? Last of the big spenders :D Bag of chips and a bottle of dandelion and burdock?
 
DCJACE said:
No, but i`d BUY it like I have done and give it him ...... suppose that`s wrong too in your eyes ;)
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Did you know that in some states of America you'd be breaking the law ? The Food Sharing Laws make it illegal to give food to the hungry and the homeless. Incredible but true. Sometimes people really don't know what's right and what's wrong.
I used to think everyone knew the difference.
 
alainax said:
I'm actually a bit shocked that preloved charges, since it is already covered in corporate adverts, it's surely making a mint from them. It's the way fb et al make their money after all.

As a seller it seems kinda counter productive that pre loved deliberately limit your potential audience, In order for them the make some more doe. Clever of them I guess though, a double pronged approach to making money. I wonder what they do with their big data too...

As for if she should have, or have not asked for the number, I guess it really makes no odds. Preloved don't care who buys the item. Preloved got thier fiver, got big bucks from the corporate ads targeting the buyer, seller, middle man and everyone I between... the sellar sold the item, and likely both the seller and buyer will be back to use the site again. Pre loved can't really lose here! Sure.. What if everyone shares the numbers... Preloveds viewer and site stats increase ten fold, ramping up the corporate add revenue, win win!
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You seriously believe that preloved don't pay anything to host and administer a big website???????????

It is NOT a win win, they lost a fiver that someone should have paid.
 
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cptrayes said:
£3.33 each for lunch? Last of the big spenders :D Bag of chips and a bottle of dandelion and burdock?
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Close .... £2.95 for the most gorgeous ham salad sarnie with garnish, in a lovely little country pub ... one of my other friends bought the drinks ;)
 
DCJACE said:
But who decides what is morally right or wrong? You? People on this thread? Your church? your religion? Society? ... as i`ve said, people are people ... Will I share a number, yes, would I physically steal, no, or course not. I found a wallet once, with a hell of a lot of money in it, I handed it in. I found a tenner on a remote bridle path and I kept it. You go with what feels right to you ...
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People are always doing things they feel are morally justifiable and then finding that society disagrees so fundamentally that the are laws against it. Piracy & shoplifting (as FrankieCob knows) are prime examples.

FC have you heard of FoodCycle? I think it would interest you. I know Waitrose does donate food to my local branch (to be fair to them, which I hate being).
 
I am just amazed that it has got to 170 posts without a single mention of popcorn.

FWIW I wouldn't give out a number from Preloved. The way I see it, if you want the number you wait or you pay the £5 a year.
 
Multi-million pound businesses tend to be founded/run by savvy people and/or advisors that are fully aware their system may be 'abused'. Also it is not unheard of for people in this status to dabble/revel in fraudulent activity themselves. There are always two sides to a coin.

If people choose to run this kind of business and don't think people will cheat them out of money, that they will experience monetary loss and won't be able to prevent it, fail to insure their business against loss etc, then perhaps it isn't their vocation.

Has what the OP and her willingly co-operative friend did been dishonest? I think not, the information was permitted for one copy. One copy was taken and given to the OP. Did the individual that initially obtained the single copy pay for membership, yes. I believe that complies with Preloved rules.

The nastiness on this thread has been prolific, however by experience on this forum, not unexpected.

Each and everyone of us has personal issues we have to deal with. If we want a less dishonest world, the best place to start is by being nicer to each other. :)

Edited to say: Old Nag, I started on the Choc Ices at page 6, my waistline will not be happy in the morning!
 
Illusion100 said:
Multi-million pound businesses tend to be founded/run by savvy people and/or advisors that are fully aware their system may be 'abused'. Also it is not unheard of for people in this status to dabble/revel in fraudulent activity themselves. There are always two sides to a coin.

If people choose to run this kind of business and don't think people will cheat them out of money, that they will experience monetary loss and won't be able to prevent it, fail to insure their business against loss etc, then perhaps it isn't their vocation.


Each and everyone of us has personal issues we have to deal with. If we want a less dishonest world, the best place to start is by being nicer to each other. :)

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All these posts from people who obviously don't have a business: I have a business , it is not possible to insure against unscrupulous behaviour., any insurance costs time and money. Last year I had four defaults, those costs have to be born by the honest people who paid for the goods and services they received, or you could say I have to use my time and money to provide these cheating scum with my goods and services free of charge, and then have to spend even more time and trouble attempting to get the money back.
Many small businesses go under because creditors just walk away, or the owners give up because it removes any job satisfaction, so much easier to flip burghers in Mac Donalds than using one's own capital and labour to build a successful business only to be cheated by people who see it as their "right" to exploit weakness.
 
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Illusion100 said:
Multi-million pound businesses tend to be founded/run by savvy people and/or advisors that are fully aware their system may be 'abused'. Also it is not unheard of for people in this status to dabble/revel in fraudulent activity themselves. There are always two sides to a coin.

If people choose to run this kind of business and don't think people will cheat them out of money, that they will experience monetary loss and won't be able to prevent it, fail to insure their business against loss etc, then perhaps it isn't their vocation.

Has what the OP and her willingly co-operative friend did been dishonest? I think not, the information was permitted for one copy. One copy was taken and given to the OP. Did the individual that initially obtained the single copy pay for membership, yes. I believe that complies with Preloved rules.

The nastiness on this thread has been prolific, however by experience on this forum, not unexpected.

Each and everyone of us has personal issues we have to deal with. If we want a less dishonest world, the best place to start is by being nicer to each other. :)

Edited to say: Old Nag, I started on the Choc Ices at page 6, my waistline will not be happy in the morning!
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Don't see how that makes it right . I run a business. Yes I do expect people will sometimes diddle me, and they have, but it doesn't make it acceptable...

Choc ices .... now you're talking!
 
Illusion100 said:
Multi-million pound businesses tend to be founded/run by savvy people and/or advisors that are fully aware their system may be 'abused'. Also it is not unheard of for people in this status to dabble/revel in fraudulent activity themselves. There are always two sides to a coin.

If people choose to run this kind of business and don't think people will cheat them out of money, that they will experience monetary loss and won't be able to prevent it, fail to insure their business against loss etc, then perhaps it isn't their vocation.

Has what the OP and her willingly co-operative friend did been dishonest? I think not, the information was permitted for one copy. One copy was taken and given to the OP. Did the individual that initially obtained the single copy pay for membership, yes. I believe that complies with Preloved rules.

The nastiness on this thread has been prolific, however by experience on this forum, not unexpected.

Each and everyone of us has personal issues we have to deal with. If we want a less dishonest world, the best place to start is by being nicer to each other. :)

Edited to say: Old Nag, I started on the Choc Ices at page 6, my waistline will not be happy in the morning!
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I despair of where society os going that there are so many people contributing to this thread who are simply unable to see that was has happened was immoral. I understand why they would condone it, but not to even see that it is wrong?

What an incredible argument. It's ok to shop lift because we all pay higher prices for goods in the shops to allow for the 3-5 % that walks out the door. Oh, and some business leaders steal, so that makes it all right to do the same.

Clearly you have no trouble with avoiding paying five pounds that was due, can you tell us where your sense of morality does kick in and tell you it's wrong? Ten, fifty, a hundred? More, depending on the circumstances???


PS it is possible to be nice to people and not steal from businesses at the same time :)
 
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khalswitz said:
Can I just add that people regularly look up BS records for other people on HHO, and it has never caused a riot like this - and BS membership is much more expensive. Surely that should be even worse?
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Nope, the exact opposite from my POV. It £5 for Preloved membership. £5!!! Surely embarrassing to go scrounging off strangers who've paid it, presumably for the same reason of wanting early access to advert numbers, to avoid paying it yourself?

To me, £5 is a very fair charge to access preloved, whatever BS charge to access information sounds like a p take tbh, so I think fair play to people who won't pay that and request it from people who will have joined to get much more out of the membership. i.e. Showjumpers.
 
Flame_ said:
Nope, the exact opposite from my POV. It £5 for Preloved membership. £5!!! Surely embarrassing to go scrounging off strangers who've paid it, presumably for the same reason of wanting early access to advert numbers, to avoid paying it yourself?

To me, £5 is a very fair charge to access preloved, whatever BS charge to access information sounds like a p take tbh, so I think fair play to people who won't pay that and request it from people who will have joined to get much more out of the membership. i.e. Showjumpers.
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See, the same legal aspect applies to both - the information is owned by the company and you pay to access it. It is just the same for BS as for preloved, and justifying one and not the other throws up the same moral question as 'would you shop lift'. BS has a relatively cheap non competing membership for access to that information, so why should it be ok to steal their information but not preloved's?

I personally agree the fiver should just be paid, not enough to get in a tizz but enough that id pay my own and refuse to give out numbers to non payers. However the fact that this is reprehensible when giving out BS record details absolutely astounds me. It is exactly the same thing - just because BS is more expensive and you feel their prices are too high doesn't mean that you aren't stealing from them. Personally I think Louis Vuitton handbags are too expensive - but I wouldn't walk out of a shop with one.
 
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