Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

[JennBags]

No she's not clutching at straws. CPT doesn't have to be an expert in contract law in order to state her opinion.

It is immoral, and I am actually quite stunned that some people don't see it like that.

I work with a lot of techy-start-up companies, and I can tell you they put millions of their own money, as well as venture capital money, into these businesses. Someone posted how the entrepreneurs are all on the fiddle as well, so that makes it right. Well, not in my (extensive) experience, they are on the whole fabulous business people who work their socks off to build up a new & exciting venture.

In order to gain access to early adverts on Preloved, you become a member and join for £5. Five measly pounds. I expect there are other benefits, I don't know, it's not a website I'm familiar with. If you are obtaining that information without becoming a member, you are not abiding by the "spirit" of the website. This may not necessarily be illegal, or even in contravention of specific rules, but if it's against the spirit of the website, then it's surely immoral? I honestly fail to see how people cannot see that, to me it's completely black and white.

 

[wildwest]

No she's not clutching at straws. CPT doesn't have to be an expert in contract law in order to state her opinion.

It is immoral, and I am actually quite stunned that some people don't see it like that.

I work with a lot of techy-start-up companies, and I can tell you they put millions of their own money, as well as venture capital money, into these businesses. Someone posted how the entrepreneurs are all on the fiddle as well, so that makes it right. Well, not in my (extensive) experience, they are on the whole fabulous business people who work their socks off to build up a new & exciting venture.

In order to gain access to early adverts on Preloved, you become a member and join for £5. Five measly pounds. I expect there are other benefits, I don't know, it's not a website I'm familiar with. If you are obtaining that information without becoming a member, you are not abiding by the "spirit" of the website. This may not necessarily be illegal, or even in contravention of specific rules, but if it's against the spirit of the website, then it's surely immoral? I honestly fail to see how people cannot see that, to me it's completely black and white.

this exactly

 

[SpringArising]

No she's not clutching at straws. CPT doesn't have to be an expert in contract law in order to state her opinion.

It is immoral, and I am actually quite stunned that some people don't see it like that.

I work with a lot of techy-start-up companies, and I can tell you they put millions of their own money, as well as venture capital money, into these businesses. Someone posted how the entrepreneurs are all on the fiddle as well, so that makes it right. Well, not in my (extensive) experience, they are on the whole fabulous business people who work their socks off to build up a new & exciting venture.

In order to gain access to early adverts on Preloved, you become a member and join for £5. Five measly pounds. I expect there are other benefits, I don't know, it's not a website I'm familiar with. If you are obtaining that information without becoming a member, you are not abiding by the "spirit" of the website. This may not necessarily be illegal, or even in contravention of specific rules, but if it's against the spirit of the website, then it's surely immoral? I honestly fail to see how people cannot see that, to me it's completely black and white.

I don't disagree with your points. What I disagree with is the attitude of some of the people on here, and the way they go about things. Hey ho, such is life and it would be boring without a few odd-jobs here and there. Thank you for the inside tech info; I've been in the business for a little while now, but it's always good to find people with similar interests!

 

[Leo Walker]

Dont Amazon let you share Kindle books? Surely thats a closer analogy than a sandwich?

 

[MerrySherryRider]

No she's not clutching at straws. CPT doesn't have to be an expert in contract law in order to state her opinion.

It is immoral, and I am actually quite stunned that some people don't see it like that.

I work with a lot of techy-start-up companies, and I can tell you they put millions of their own money, as well as venture capital money, into these businesses. Someone posted how the entrepreneurs are all on the fiddle as well, so that makes it right. Well, not in my (extensive) experience, they are on the whole fabulous business people who work their socks off to build up a new & exciting venture.

In order to gain access to early adverts on Preloved, you become a member and join for £5. Five measly pounds. I expect there are other benefits, I don't know, it's not a website I'm familiar with. If you are obtaining that information without becoming a member, you are not abiding by the "spirit" of the website. This may not necessarily be illegal, or even in contravention of specific rules, but if it's against the spirit of the website, then it's surely immoral? I honestly fail to see how people cannot see that, to me it's completely black and white.

Good post.

 

[Archangel]

I found this on the Preloved forum (this is from Preloved themselves)


It would be nice to be able to offer a completely free service but unfortunately it is just not possible to do that and meet the costs of running the site, monitoring it to try to ensure that fraudsters don't take advantage of our members, promoting it to bring as many potential buyers and sellers to the site as possible etc.

We thought long and hard about our membership system. The alternative would either to use aggressive banner advertising, pop ups, interruptive ads etc. which make the site difficult and unpleasant to use, to use a premium rate phone system, or to charge people to place adverts on the site.

Our full membership charge is very modest and lasts a full year so we find that a good proportion of buyers are happy to upgrade, and the few that can't afford this or do not want to pay still have the opportunity to use the site for free.

Once the advert has been on the site for 10 days you will be able to respond to the advert with free membership. The time elapsed is shown in the yellow box to the right of the advert

 

[Arzada]

How does Preloved membership work with couples? Families? Does everyone buy their own membership at £5 per person? Or does eg one person buy membership and share it with their OH for free? Or is there a couple/family membership option costing more than £5?

 

[JennBags]

How does Preloved membership work with couples? Families? Does everyone buy their own membership at £5 per person? Or does eg one person buy membership and share it with their OH for free? Or is there a couple/family membership option costing more than £5?

I think you're overthinking this a bit :rolleyes3:

 

[Elsiecat]

I think you're overthinking this a bit :rolleyes3:

Actually, I don't think that they are.

Surely they're just questioning where this strong moral line starts and where it ends? Can I get a number for my mum or should I tell her to pay her own fiver?

 

[cptrayes]

Dont Amazon let you share Kindle books? Surely thats a closer analogy than a sandwich?

No they don't, unless you hand over the physical kindle and deprive yourself of it while someone else has it.

 

[Spring Feather]

No they don't, unless you hand over the physical kindle and deprive yourself of it while someone else has it.

Yes they do. I share an account with my husband and he and I are often reading the same book at the same time.

 

[cptrayes]

I found this on the Preloved forum (this is from Preloved themselves)


It would be nice to be able to offer a completely free service but unfortunately it is just not possible to do that and meet the costs of running the site, monitoring it to try to ensure that fraudsters don't take advantage of our members, promoting it to bring as many potential buyers and sellers to the site as possible etc.

We thought long and hard about our membership system. The alternative would either to use aggressive banner advertising, pop ups, interruptive ads etc. which make the site difficult and unpleasant to use, to use a premium rate phone system, or to charge people to place adverts on the site.

Our full membership charge is very modest and lasts a full year so we find that a good proportion of buyers are happy to upgrade, and the few that can't afford this or do not want to pay still have the opportunity to use the site for free.

Once the advert has been on the site for 10 days you will be able to respond to the advert with free membership. The time elapsed is shown in the yellow box to the right of the advert

This this this and this again.

We pay the fee so that none of us have to be inundated with adverts. You don't pay the fee you are, at best, sponging of the rest of us and at worst you are a thief. Pay the damned fiver or wait a few days and risk someone else taking what you want !!!

 

[cptrayes]

Yes they do. I share an account with my husband and he and I are often reading the same book at the same time.

Do you have it on two kindles registered to the same user, because I can't share books with my husband's kindle? I can't even buy him a book for his birthday using my account and put it on his kindle, it has to be bought on HIS account to appear on his kindle.

As far as I can see, what you are doing is the same as copying a paperback for him to read while you are also reading it, i.e. breach of copyright.

 

[Spring Feather]

Do you have it on two kindles registered to the same user, because I can't share books with my husband's kindle?

We have 3 kindles registered to the same user and we can all read the same book from our individual kindles at the same time.

 

[JennBags]

Actually, I don't think that they are.

Surely they're just questioning where this strong moral line starts and where it ends? Can I get a number for my mum or should I tell her to pay her own fiver?

The question is more should your mum ask you to get the number, or should she get her own membership? That's where your own personal morals come into it, is it within the spirit of the website? Personally I feel as if passing a number onto your mum wouldn't be a big thing, on an occasional basis. If she was asking you every week, that's a different matter. Asking a bunch of random strangers on an Internet forum is, though, a completely different matter IMO*


*and if you read CPT's other thread, you'll see that my opinion is the only one that matters and lots of people agree with me, so yah boo sucks

 

[Spring Feather]

As far as I can see, what you are doing is the same as copying a paperback for him to read, i.e. breach of copyright.

To your edited bit. No idea. We have 3 kindles registered and we buy the books once and all of our kindles will allow us to each read the books at the same time. Obviously amazon know that there are 3 kindles registered and our kindles certainly do as each kindle points it out to us each time we start a fresh reading session.

 

[ribbons]

With all the bad going on in the world, how are people getting in such a tizz over a fiver. Yes it's morally wrong. That's it though, that's all it is.
I have a feeling this is an argument for arguments sake.

 

[risky business]

It's a great site and quite simple. If an ad is new, you can only get the seller contact details If you pay a year's subscription of only five quid, or blag it off someone else.

Well its funny you should mention blagging it off someone else. I spotted something I wanted on there earlier... Cptrayes be a dear and fetch me the number

 

[cptrayes]

To your edited bit. No idea. We have 3 kindles registered and we buy the books once and all of our kindles will allow us to each read the books at the same time. Obviously amazon know that there are 3 kindles registered and our kindles certainly do as each kindle points it out to us each time we start a fresh reading session.

So you have ONE Amazon kindle account that you share. That is the same, in my book, pun intended, as copying a book so that someone else can read it at the same time as you do. I have no idea if that is within Amazon's rules, but if it was a paper copy, it would be copyright theft. And as has been made clear by their statement above, it is certainly not within the spirit of preloved rules.

 

[cptrayes]

Well its funny you should mention blagging it off someone else. I spotted something I wanted on there earlier... Cptrayes be a dear and fetch me the number

If you haven't worked out yet that nobody who knows me thinks I am a dear, you are a bit off the pace

 

[Spring Feather]

So you have ONE Amazon kindle account that you share. That is the same, in my book, pun intended, as copying a book so that someone else can read it at the same time as you do. I have no idea if that is within Amazon's rules, but if it was a paper copy, it would be copyright theft. And as has been made clear by their statement above, it is certainly not within the spirit of preloved rules.

Our individual kindles are registered on a shared account as I said. Our membership knows which individual kindle is reading which book. If we are all reading the same book each individual kindles comes up on screen saying one persons kindle is at page number whatever, and the other persons kindle is at page whatever, and would I like my kindle to sync to one of the others pages. I click on "no" and "no" and it puts me to the page that it knows my individual kindle is on.

 

[cptrayes]

I have a feeling this is an argument for arguments sake.

And even if that were true, which it's not in my case when discussing creeping immorality in society, but it's true of this particular post, what is the issue with that?

1. It finances the use of this forum for everyone to keep posts going.

2. I and other people find it diverting.

Where's the harm?

 

[cptrayes]

Our individual kindles are registered on a shared account as I said. Our membership knows which individual kindle is reading which book. If we are all reading the same book each individual kindles comes up on screen saying one persons kindle is at page number whatever, and the other persons kindle is at page whatever, and would I like my kindle to sync to one of the others pages. I click on "no" and "no" and it puts me to the page that it knows my individual kindle is on.

So?

Have you bother to check whether Amazon is happy that three people share one account and read one book simultaneously? I have no idea myself, but as I say, if it was a paper book it's certainly in breach of copyright.

It's completely irrelevant to the preloved argument if Amazon are happy with it, because preloved are not.

 

[risky business]

If you haven't worked out yet that nobody who knows me thinks I am a dear, you are a bit off the pace

Well that's a shame, looks like I will be nicking some popcorn off someone instead and sitting in on the rest of this thread then

I think people are taking this thread a little to serious, I don't see anything nasty here just opinions.

 

[Moomin1]

With all the bad going on in the world, how are people getting in such a tizz over a fiver. Yes it's morally wrong. That's it though, that's all it is.
I have a feeling this is an argument for arguments sake.

I really don't get this point which a few people have made now. Yes, there are much worse things going on in the world. So....does that mean nobody is entitled to discuss the issue? In which case, those threads out there about lame horses, kissing spine, welfare issues, behavioural problems, horses being stolen etc shouldn't be discussed either?

 

[Spring Feather]

So?

Have you bother to check whether Amazon is happy that three people share one account and read one book simultaneously? I have no idea myself, but as I say, if it was a paper book it's certainly in breach of copyright.

It's completely irrelevant to the preloved argument if Amazon are happy with it, because preloved are not.

I was answering your statement that amazon do not let you read the same book at the same time. I did not bring up kindle/amazon, my point was simply to tell you that you are wrong and that quite obviously it is allowed as both kindle and amazon know which kindle is reading which book at whichever time and they know which page each kindle is on at any given time because they tell you where the other two kindles are at in the book each time you open a new reading session.

 

[Honey08]

I really don't get this point which a few people have made now. Yes, there are much worse things going on in the world. So....does that mean nobody is entitled to discuss the issue? In which case, those threads out there about lame horses, kissing spine, welfare issues, behavioural problems, horses being stolen etc shouldn't be discussed either?

Yes,that would make just about everything on HHO not worth discussing, and god help those that want to know what colour numnahs their horses would suit best!

Jennbags (please note correct number of n's included!) you're banging those nails on the head tonight.

 

[JennBags]

LOL honey

 

[Flame_]

With all the bad going on in the world, how are people getting in such a tizz over a fiver. Yes it's morally wrong. That's it though, that's all it is.
I have a feeling this is an argument for arguments sake.

You think? Lol.

Its fun though, and a tiny, little bit important. Maybe.

 

[ribbons]

I didn't say anything about not being entitled to discuss any subject whatsoever. I just find this thread amusing in that its being argued so intensely. I get the impression that is to do with so much more than the subject matter.