Cut won't heal!
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PolarSkye
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OP - well done for taking comments on board and I'm really happy (for you) that the swelling has gone down) but, bute is an anti-inflammatory, not an antibiotic. Next time, please don't self treat and get the vet out . . . if you don't, you could have a different outcome.
If you have a good relationship with your vet and don't want to pay for a call out, you could even take a pic and send to him/her . . . but please don't self diagnose.
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Illusion100
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
thanks for the update OP 
Birker2020
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Now there is a surprise. But don't forget I am thick as pig s**t and not worthy of being in the realm of being considered an interesting, kind and considerate person with feelings. My opinion counts for nothing, NOTHING I repeat!!!
ester
Not slacking multitasking
You didn't really consider that JFTD might be a kind, considerate person with feelings when you suggested she had swallowed a dictionary, because of course only here could being erudite be a bad thing, I honestly couldn't see where she has used any words not in daily use for most people though if you would like to clarify feel free.
Birker2020
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Oh for goodness sake Ester it was meant in jest and I am sure JFTD understood that, she is not a child. Like I said about adding illogical thinking to my list of missdemeanours and bad spelling too, and its a wonder I don't get PTS. I was being light hearted, do try it sometime.
Lighten up a little. Give people the benefit of the doubt. Stop being so stuffy and proper and correct all the time. And critical. I wonder why you dislike me so hugely????
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
Oh good, maybe you needed to add some smilies? or an ! or two to indicate your jest, that is usual on internet media.
I don't dislike you at all, it is only in your imagination. I don't dislike anyone I don't actually know.
I don't dislike you at all, it is only in your imagination. I don't dislike anyone I don't actually know.
JFTDWS
+++ Out of Cheese Error +++
Perhaps you too need to lighten up, AC. It didn't seem very jokey to me - not that I give a flying fig about whether you think I use long words or not, or whether you have low self esteem or not. Ester possibly takes things more literally than you, for her own reasons - it's not very nice to get so worked up about the fact she doesn't see your joke (which, FTR, I don't either).
Not trying to get at you, but Ester has been very open about herself on this forum and it's not hard to work out why she might miss the jovial nature of the comments, which you intended. It's nothing to do with being stuffy, correct and critical.
Not trying to get at you, but Ester has been very open about herself on this forum and it's not hard to work out why she might miss the jovial nature of the comments, which you intended. It's nothing to do with being stuffy, correct and critical.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
For the same reasons I am a single, 'so-called' intellectual 
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Tis true, I don't get subtext in real life let alone over a computer screen without smilies to indicate intent, especially when people are talking to those they have been less than convivial with previously. It would be a bit odd/clumpy to use the RL technique of saying 'err how did you mean that?' Every time someone posts though.
.Tis true, I don't get subtext in real life let alone over a computer screen without smilies to indicate intent, especially when people are talking to those they have been less than convivial with previously. It would be a bit odd/clumpy to use the RL technique of saying 'err how did you mean that?' Every time someone posts though.
JFTDWS
+++ Out of Cheese Error +++
I have to stare at people intently if I'm to have any hope of accurately working out if they're joking or being bitchy. And half the time, I get that wrong 
There are downsides to being "so-called intellectuals"! Not to being single though. That's totally awesome
There are downsides to being "so-called intellectuals"! Not to being single though. That's totally awesome
Birker2020
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Whatever.........I think you are both as bad as each other and to be honest I don't care what you think about me, or my horse, nor my posts or replies for that matter. I just feel dreadfully sorry (for you not me) that you feel you feel justified in continually treating me the way you do when I have done nothing wrong to either of you. I will not comment further as my words are entirely wasted and any hope of ever reaching a resolution is obviously out of the question despite me trying to appeal to your 'better natures'.
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TheSylv007
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For Christ's sake, not again 
_GG_
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For Christ's sake, not again
Was just thinking the exact same thing. I don't know AC14 or JFTD in real life. I do know Ester in real life, quite well actually and I can honestly say that she is one of the nicest people I know. She's been extremely helpful to a heck of a lot of people on this forum and has laid bare her own medical history to help and support others. (Knowing her medical history and social challenges means many of your posts towards her are shameful Applecart).I was unable to respond to a different thread recently as quite frankly Applecart, you said something so vile, I was just too angry to post...yet I have been able to get past that and engage in a perfectly civil and friendly conversation on this thread, until now. Ester and I disagree over plenty of things, pull each other up if we think the other needs it and we both appreciate that we can do that and remain friends....it's called being an adult!
I don't care what justification anyone thinks they have, it is beyond rude to turn other peoples threads into your own platform for having a pop at others.
Grow up, none of us are twelve any more and every time anyone is about to type any post on any thread that is a dig at others and not helpful to the OP...walk away from your computer and remind yourselves that you're not a pre-pubescent teenager and really should damn well know better.
I am fed up of seeing my friend being jumped on. Applecart, I know you don't want to see it, but it happens with alarming regularity and I have had words with Ester about not having a go at you as well...so this isn't one sided...only recently, my advice has been that she should know better than to trying to reason with you sometimes because, as the thread below shows quite nicely, you will ignore the posts of others who disagree with you and single out Ester, playing the victim every single time. I'm sick of it. You did this to someone you know has social challenges on a thread started by someone in a very fragile and vulnerable position...you should have realised how insensitive your post was and not turned into an attack on Ester.
https://forums-secure.horseandhound...-I-m-totally-ashamed/page3&highlight=overdose
We're all allowed opinions, we're all allowed to disagree, but if you're going to accuse others of treating you badly, you need to make damn sure you're not doing the exact same thing. For what it's worth...to spell it out...Ester posted a very helpful reply, someone else pulled you up on your comment and Ester agreed...but it was only Ester that got the flack...again!
OP - again, thank you for the update, I am very sorry that your thread got so badly derailed and I pray to all that is good in the world that you'll be the last person to have a thread ruined. I'm very pleased that your horses wound is healing nicely now and don't be put off asking questions again xx
Seriously people....wake up, grow up and start being a bit more bl00dy kind to each other. We've lost a 32 year old much loved forum member recently, we all have enough poo going on in our lives and none of us know what's going on behind the screens of others, so is it too much to ask that we just start being kind to eachother??? It's not rocket science!
Tnavas
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Got to laugh since millions of horses world wide are poulticed with Animalintex every day. Burnt toast is carcinogenic, best we all stop eating it!
Vets don't always get it right either. Common sense is to keep a wound clean, using saline, you don't risk damage. Don't put ointment on it from a pot or tube previously used, quickest way to introduce bugs. Throw away previously opened ointments. Someone made a negative comment about my suggesting the OP poultice with Animalintex, which would either draw out anything in the wound or encourage granulation which will bring in a vast network of blood supply to aid healing. I don't get the vet in for every nick, with years of experience, I've done what the vet suggested in my early days of horse ownership. The only horse lost to infection was the result of the vet putting on a bandage over a wound with instructions to leave it undisturbed for a week. The result the horse developed blood poisoning and had to be PTS.
Illusion100
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I think that was perhaps his point?
Animalintex is a poultice and while it has it's place it isn't necessarily ideal for all wounds nor all stages of wound healing. Many wound dressings have been specifically designed for their particular action/purpose and rarely can they be used as an 'allrounder' in order to maximise healthy cell regeneration and reduce complications whether they be simply aesthetic (such as the encouragment of an excess of granulation tissue) or more complicated.
While minor wounds might not fall into this category on a regular basis (regarding dressing application), healing does have very separate stages and to maximise benefit each stage should ideally be nutured as efficiently as possible.
Wounds in general are always contaminated, which isn't always a bad thing to keep a healthy immune system, I have to admit I am much more lax regarding ointments etc, I like my moneys worth and nothings lost a leg yet!
Animalintex is a poultice and while it has it's place it isn't necessarily ideal for all wounds nor all stages of wound healing. Many wound dressings have been specifically designed for their particular action/purpose and rarely can they be used as an 'allrounder' in order to maximise healthy cell regeneration and reduce complications whether they be simply aesthetic (such as the encouragment of an excess of granulation tissue) or more complicated.
While minor wounds might not fall into this category on a regular basis (regarding dressing application), healing does have very separate stages and to maximise benefit each stage should ideally be nutured as efficiently as possible.
Wounds in general are always contaminated, which isn't always a bad thing to keep a healthy immune system, I have to admit I am much more lax regarding ointments etc, I like my moneys worth and nothings lost a leg yet!
NeilDePlume
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A natural fibrous rock was widely used within homes and other buildings until 1999…... My point was on the whole the natural healing process will continue (ex of infection); it can be simply aided or it can be impaired by intervention of the wrong type. If it’s not healing( as the post is titled), ask yourself what have we done to interfere it. Look at the effect you induce is it aiding or detrimental. There is no one single fix!
Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and I reiterate “Personally I would question if it should be used at all. This because I choose to look at the data produced for patient advancement. (that’s why I quoted the paper)
If “millions of horses worldwide are poulticed with Animalintex every day” … You could say; It’s not effective?? There is a problem with the equine industry?? or the data quoted is wildly over exaggerated ??... It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view.”
Oh the natural rock thing Tnavas is Asbestos.
Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and I reiterate “Personally I would question if it should be used at all. This because I choose to look at the data produced for patient advancement. (that’s why I quoted the paper)
If “millions of horses worldwide are poulticed with Animalintex every day” … You could say; It’s not effective?? There is a problem with the equine industry?? or the data quoted is wildly over exaggerated ??... It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view.”
Oh the natural rock thing Tnavas is Asbestos.
Damnation
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For Christ's sake, not again
I agree.
Kind of sick of seeing the same person jump on people because opinions differ and they need to be right and they have to have experienced it at least 5 times blah blah blah.
Grow up.
Dave's Mam
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I am glad to read that the OP has a positive update. Keep us posted.
CAE.
CAE.
Tnavas
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I use Animalintex on just about every wound and never had a problem with it - so will continue to use it when required
I don't use Animalintex with honey but have used it following Animalintex.
I don't have anything other than saline in my first aid box for cleaning wounds
I do not use wound powder as it causes more problems than it treats
I don't use any ointments on wounds, just keep them clean as possible
My specialist equine vet advised putting neat salt on to a wound as it keeps the flies off and is a natural component of the body
I have a good success rate with injuries -the pics below are of my youngster after he put a leg through the fence - the first picture is almost how he arrived back from the person he was leased to, I cut off the dressing the vet put on as it was barely wide enough to cover the wound and had creased up and was digging into the wound - Not sure what they teach vets these days on bandaging but that one had no idea!
The next is the wound after around 10 days, following a few days of animalintex, a few of honey clean and growing proud flesh, then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh - the final picture is a about 3 months later - wound healed to a line. Wound was flushed with saline daily from a pump spray -
_GG_
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I use Animalintex on just about every wound and never had a problem with it - so will continue to use it when required
I don't use Animalintex with honey but have used it following Animalintex.
I don't have anything other than saline in my first aid box for cleaning wounds
I do not use wound powder as it causes more problems than it treats
I don't use any ointments on wounds, just keep them clean as possible
My specialist equine vet advised putting neat salt on to a wound as it keeps the flies off and is a natural component of the body
I have a good success rate with injuries -the pics below are of my youngster after he put a leg through the fence - the first picture is almost how he arrived back from the person he was leased to, I cut off the dressing the vet put on as it was barely wide enough to cover the wound and had creased up and was digging into the wound - Not sure what they teach vets these days on bandaging but that one had no idea!
The next is the wound after around 10 days, following a few days of animalintex, a few of honey clean and growing proud flesh, then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh - the final picture is a about 3 months later - wound healed to a line. Wound was flushed with saline daily from a pump spray -
If that top picture is depicting the wound, as you say, after you had removed a vet applied bandage, I'd have reported that vet for malpractice and wanted him or her struck off. I have never, in 35 years of being around horses, seen a would like that presented to a vet where they failed to properly clean the wound, shave away the surrounding hair to guard against contamination and which appears to have been bandaged so loosely that there is no evidence of any bandaging ever having been applied.
It healed very well, but presents in the first picture like a wound with every chance of a good recovery. I would think your intervention enabled it to scar less than it possibly would have done otherwise, but I reiterate, if a vet saw that and left it as in picture 1...that vet needs to be banned from ever working on animals!
NeilDePlume
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Originally Posted by Tnavas
“The next is the wound after around 10 days, following a few days of animalintex, a few of honey clean and growing proud flesh, then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh –“
I am sure I could trade picture of wounds, these are no more impressive than others and less so than many. Yet you got there in the end, if it took 3 months. First observation is that None of these pictures show the area around to have been shaved, by yourself or the attending which shocks and concerns me. Excessive granulation tissue forms as a result of several different factors; contamination of the wound, excessive movement of healing tissue, minimal soft tissue coverage around the wound, and a reduced blood supply. Especially important for lower limbs wounds that occur in areas where there is minimal soft tissue, muscle, to protect the wound and give it a rich blood supply.
“then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh”; Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) is believed to be the most prevalent, efficacious, and long-term signal that is known to stimulate angiogenesis in wounds. Topical copper sulphate accelerates closure of a dermal wounds allowing healing by secondary intention. I would propose your use of copper sulphate promoted VEGF and got you there through “proud flesh” ignorance rather than knowledge and intention. Caustic agents, such as copper sulphate are not recommended today they can severely inhibit healthy healing of skin if abused.
Finishing again where I finished last time “It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view. “Your “instructions” have good intention but appear very outmoded and may benefit from some up-to-date learning.
“The next is the wound after around 10 days, following a few days of animalintex, a few of honey clean and growing proud flesh, then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh –“
I am sure I could trade picture of wounds, these are no more impressive than others and less so than many. Yet you got there in the end, if it took 3 months. First observation is that None of these pictures show the area around to have been shaved, by yourself or the attending which shocks and concerns me. Excessive granulation tissue forms as a result of several different factors; contamination of the wound, excessive movement of healing tissue, minimal soft tissue coverage around the wound, and a reduced blood supply. Especially important for lower limbs wounds that occur in areas where there is minimal soft tissue, muscle, to protect the wound and give it a rich blood supply.
“then getting smaller after using Copper Sulphate solution to remove the proud flesh”; Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) is believed to be the most prevalent, efficacious, and long-term signal that is known to stimulate angiogenesis in wounds. Topical copper sulphate accelerates closure of a dermal wounds allowing healing by secondary intention. I would propose your use of copper sulphate promoted VEGF and got you there through “proud flesh” ignorance rather than knowledge and intention. Caustic agents, such as copper sulphate are not recommended today they can severely inhibit healthy healing of skin if abused.
Finishing again where I finished last time “It is a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view. “Your “instructions” have good intention but appear very outmoded and may benefit from some up-to-date learning.
Queenbee
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Wash with saline solution, then put on an animalintex poultice for a few days - It sounds infected. Avoid wound powder as it can cause proud flesh - the wound itself may produce proud flesh as its natures way of healing.
Ester - Activated MAnuka honey does not need to be of medical grade for horses - especially if it comes from New Zealand, which is where the majority of Manuka bushes grow - our bees are extremely healthy! I've been using supermarket Manuka honey for 15 or so years and I worked in the equine industry here until only a few years ago. It is safe.
OP - the honey is amazing stuff and does a good job
From this
to this in 5 weeks
That horse is the poster pin up for Manuka Honey! I never tire of seeing that transformation!