Denman UR in Aon Chase..

I can't believe it
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If it's any consolation most jockeys would have been off when he made the first mistake. The Denman shaped hole that they were repairing in the fence afterwards was a bit of a comedy moment....
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Unbelievable... Totally speechless! I don't think AP made any mistakes though, but i bet the bashing begins here ...

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I am not AP bashing, but, I was screaming at the TV for him to leave him alone.

The first circuit went brilliantly, but I had a sense of dread as soon as AP started pushing and niggling him on the second....
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Tell me about it
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Complete horse error and bad luck, if any other one did it then we wouldn't blink afterall.
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Least horse is fine and he didn't fall which i was expecting after that takeoff
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I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw this horse hit a fence?
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This was predicted unfortunately.
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Hands Kauto the Gold Cup on a plate!
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I am not AP bashing either, but I agree with Dubs. John Framcombe commented much the same about the second circuit.

Although have to say before the race I thought he didn't look quite as well as when he ran last time.
 
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Sadly I have to agree.
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It would take a miracle for Denman to win the GC now...

Even if they change back to Sam, the horse's confidence will be shot to pieces. I am gutted.
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Sadly I have to agree.
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It would take a miracle for Denman to win the GC now...

Even if they change back to Sam, the horse's confidence will be shot to pieces. I am gutted.
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Will AP get the ride in the Gold Cup now?

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Will the connections want to lose face by admitting they possibly have made a mistake? It will be very interesting!
 
I think AP was under pressure when the other horse came along side. He "maybe" put pressure on Denman to sort his act out, and we all know that Denman likes to do things his way. I did feel that maybe AP (although a great jockey) would just try and pressure Denman a bit too much to take a few strides out. I really think that Sam should still be riding him, as he was quiet, but managed to get a great tune out of him.
 
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I am not AP bashing either, but I agree with Dubs. John Framcombe commented much the same about the second circuit.

Although have to say before the race I thought he didn't look quite as well as when he ran last time.

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I'd go along with that, wasn't his normal bullish sort and didn't look to have the normal acceleration he's famous for. AP is a great jockey but I don't think he's as subtle as Ruby as AP likes to be in charge which is how Harry S said Denman doesn't like to be ridden.
 
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But they showed Sam falling at Aintree and it was a pair of identical mistakes?

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Exactly.


I'll respect all of your opinions, but i'll stand by my view that AP rode him well and it was not rider's error. I doubt it'll have shot the horses confidence and i look forward to seeing him at the Gold Cup!
 
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Me too ... I screamed when Tank hit the first fence (where he nearly fell) and had my hands over my eyes at the next when he took off!
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OMG Master Minded at the last (just seen on the telly!!)
 
could it be, just possibly, as the horse went so well on the first circuit that he was running out of steam and that is why AP was niggling him? Tired horses make a lot more mistakes than fresh ones in general. and personally i dont think this horse will beat kauto again anyway.
 
Right, well i'm sticking with what I said before and that is I NEVER wanted AP to ride Denman and I have my proof. 1) I was shouting at the telly for AP to just leave Denman to jump and stop pushing into fences, 2) Denman lost his confidence with the first blunder and I don't think AP helped him enough at the fence he fell off.

I think Denman is an out and out jumper, I have seen him settle into a perfect rhythm and jump out of his stride, today I felt he wasn't ridden how he is used to being ridden i.e quietly and that is why the mistakes were made.

NOT HAPPY
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I hope they rethink his jockey (Sam Thomas) AND give him another confidence boosting race before the Gold Cup, otherwise I think it's pointless him racing in it.

OK, I'm ready for the backlash, bring it on
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And Ruby just had a big mistake on Master Minded and survived by the skin of his teeth. Wonder if he'll be doubted now *rolls eyes*
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I am sensing frustration and a little anger in your posts JH....
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Certainly agree re confidence boosting race but I would be inclined to let AP keep the ride for that race at least. But when all is said and done if Kauto is in the sort of form he showed at Kempton (or who knows could he get even better?)you're going to have to drive Denman round in the lorry for him to have a chance of getting home in front of Kauto.
 
Oh is that coming across?!
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I'm just a big fan of AP's and it is intensely frustrating when i hear people slagging him off on a whim (NOT people like you who actually comment on the riding/race and have a fair opinion). I want to go and bang some heads against some brick walls whilst screaming "14 time champion jockey"!
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I'm not going to talk about it anymore now though, or i will flip!
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I was shouting at the telly for AP to just leave Denman to jump and stop pushing into fences

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Ditto this 100%.

Sometimes he niggled, and sometimes he sat quiet. I think it was a bit confusing for Denman.
He is not the easiest horse, in that he likes to be in charge, and both Sam and Ruby always rode him quietly.
I watched the race specifically to see how he rode him, and I was never comfortable, and I don't think Denman was comfortable either.

I just don't think AP and he are suited, and I would have said the same even if he had won by a mile.
 
(fianl thing! Denamn doesn't run by himself, of course he has to push him along? He can't be expected to just sit there and not move a muscle
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I thought AP's riding was restrained actually. But there you go ay
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Ok now i'm definitely shutting up!
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I agree with you, JH, but would say that John Francombe said Denman liked Ruby Walsh's style of sitting quiet. I don't like Denman so much anyway, he has none of Kautos charisma and class.
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Oh is that coming across?!
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I'm just a big fan of AP's and it is intensely frustrating when i hear people slagging him off on a whim (NOT people like you who actually comment on the riding/race and have a fair opinion). I want to go and bang some heads against some brick walls whilst screaming "14 time champion jockey"!
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I'm not going to talk about it anymore now though, or i will flip!
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I love AP.
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As long as he steers clear of Denman.....
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Nah seriously, Denman is known for being bullish, and that's why the racing world was divided when it was announced that AP was to ride him. He just doesn't seem to respond to forceful riding, which is what AP is famed for.

I think Sam or Ruby should ride Denman in the GC, and AP should get the ride on kauto....
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